With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Ngamer11 · 2026-02-25T09:00:39+0000

I see. Since whoever this is failed to kill the Renegade, they're trying to twist his followers into doing it for them.

Vaermina · 2026-02-25T09:07:10+0000

Ngamer11 said:
I see. Since whoever this is failed to kill the Renegade, they're trying to twist his followers into doing it for them.

Seems kind of odd when their previous tactic was successfully wearing Grayven down.

Darko · 2026-02-25T09:13:23+0000

Vaermina said:
Seems kind of odd when their previous tactic was successfully wearing Grayven down.

They may have viewed Renegade as being the biggest threat, so they decided to focus most of their fire power on him.

The fact that he also recently used the Sword of the Fallen may make them worry that the others may have something similar.

And using psychological warfare against Renegade wouldn't really be that effective since aside from his Anti-Life exposure he doesn't really have any traumatic experiences that he couldn't power through if he needed to.

Imane does have issues that can be exploited.

Agumentic · 2026-02-25T09:37:28+0000

Ngamer11 said:
I see. Since whoever this is failed to kill the Renegade, they're trying to twist his followers into doing it for them.

It's probably more about Iname than about the Renegade. Trying to hurt her by undermining the core of her life and Godhood.

Chojin Patriarch · 2026-02-25T09:38:03+0000

Mr Zoat said:
20th August 2013
11:09 GMT -7

I don't like leaving Master like that. I know he can beat the giant snake, but abandoning him while he's fighting feels wrong. I will just have to find out what is at the impact site-

I stop at the edge of the impact site.

-really quickly!

Careful, Misa-chan. Leaping before you look will be just as troublesome, and speedsters are really good at that despite how fast they can think. Especially with foes about...

It's actually so big that it's hard to see. I thought that there might be a big hole or something sticking out, but it's just… Slightly rockier rock? I can't see any buildings, or any people, or any plants or animals-.

Oh. No, there's a building.

Pretty accurate, other than the building. It took years for the Chixculub crater to be identified as such, and they only did it by comparing geological samples and satellite photography. They aren't all obvious like places like the Barrington crater.

I put my goggles on and turn up the magnification. I could run over to it much faster, but Master wants me to be cautious. So I will look carefully-.

That's my house. My house is in Japan. Why is my house-?

Okay, whatever's behind this can multitask, if it's running cons on two people at once. Probably three, once we see what Persuader's up to. Also, a Japanese suburban house just sitting out in the middle of nowhere? Getting kind of Silent Hill up in here.

I don't move my goggles, I just sprint a mile away in less than a second and turn on the telepath scrambler on my armour. And I could call upon Master's power for help, but he might need it. Swift and Precise

I stop, looking around me to see if anything was trying to take advantage of my ah!

I wouldn't be surprised if the power doing this could suppress that connection anyway...

My house is now in front of me.

That is not right.

Darn tooting! Tres Creepy.

I know that it is possible to move a house, with teleporters or levitation or just being really strong. I asked Master if he could pick up a house once and said that the only reason he couldn't was because it would fall apart.

I look at the bottom of the wall in case someone has made something that looks like my house with local rock, but it doesn't look like they have. It looks exactly like I remember it-.

If it was moved suddenly, there'd be a very obvious discontinuity at the seam for sure.

No. It is not quite-. I painted it again, after-. I painted it. And Sunset helped! She was much better at controlling the brushes than Mickey Mouse was. But it hasn't looked like this-.

I turn around and run two miles this time-

...I...

What in the Disney Adults??

-and I'm through the door even though I stop as fast as I can, and the door is shut before I reach it.

It didn't teleport, it was just there. And now I'm inside my house-.

Oh, hell no. If this was a game, this would be where the average player would insta-quit.

I look down at my naginata. It isn't good for narrow corridors or furnished rooms, when you are not sure where the attack will comer from. And whatever is doing this can move things faster than I can run.

I set the naginata aside and draw my kama.

Ironic, as the naginata was seen as a favourable weapon for noblewomen, and the halls of their mansions were likely not that much wider than modern homes. Then again, her design is probably a bit more scythe-like for style reasons...

Normally, I could just run out of the door, or vibrate through the walls. But I have seen horror movies, and spoken to Kid Flash about his training exercises. Whoever did this would not trap me in my fake house if I could easily escape. I will not even try and do something that foolish.

Well, sensible of her to not waste her energy trying... Probably disappointing whatever's doing this, if it has any conscious feelings on the matter.

I walk slowly towards the stairs, keeping careful watch on my surroundings and activating my communicator. Inevitable Victory

"Iname to Master. And Persuader? Please reply when you can."

Given they couldn't see each other despite not being that far apart, I suspect each of them is in their own little illusion...

Nothing is making creepy noises, which is nice. But it doesn't make sense. Why would someone make a horror movie set on a planet no one is using? If they wanted to fight me it would much easier to make a bomb or a cold zone.

I turn my head to make sure that I take in everything.

Careful, you may notice something uncanny. Honestly, that might be why Japanese horror stuff feels creepier to westerners not used to it: That sense of the uncanny, the alienness of their narrative tropes...

Supervillains do stupid and wasteful things all of the time, but I don't have any enemies because I always kill them. I don't think that many other people know about me. Would Master's father do something like this? I think he would, but he would be more likely to have someone else do it for him. But there is no way for him to know that we would be here in advance. Unless they were following us and made a giant snake and my house really quickly? Master never said anything about his people being able to do that… An illusion?

People forget it, but Amane Misa was no idiot in the original Death Note series either. Or rather, she wasn't dumb, merely... Unwise?

I wrap my knuckle against the wall as I make my way up the stairs.

It feels real… And I cannot go around assuming that everything around me is not real.

Wouldn't do to ignore a blow coming at you just because you want to 'Roll to disbelieve' like it's D&D.

Check around me. Still nothing is happening.

I am feeling a bit silly about being scared of my own house.

Eh, it depends on whether it feels like your house or not. A slight difference in colour here, a slight tilt there... Little unsettling things that add up.

The landing is clear. The door to my room is slightly open, but I think that… I didn't always close it fully. Master said that the English word for that is 'sneck'. He said that his human family used it in Scrabble once. The doors to the bathroom and my p-. To the other rooms, are closed.

Actually true. Amazing, the vocabulary you learn when reading (or writing) fanfiction. And that's worrying, how she's blocking off all thoughts of her trauma...

I can't hear anything, just normal house sounds-.

No rain. The rain has stopped. But it shouldn't. The clouds haven't gone anywhere.

For all we know, the rain is just part of the illusory environment to begin with. No better way to make someone miserable than making them wet.

I carefully walk towards my door, and push the door open.

It's my room. I can see out of the window, and it isn't raining. The… Window isn't even wet, and it looked wet from the outside. In fact…

Now see, you cut an environmental cue liek that out so abruptly, it starts to break the illusion. Whatever's behind this seems a little amateurish.

I carefully cross the room, ready for any trouble. But nothing happens, as-.

That isn't right. The view out of the window is the same as at home in Japan, which is a very long way from here. The teacher John Constantine told me that he knows a spell to replace the view through one window with the view from another-.

I bet it's more like a deep canvas sort of 'depth' than anything. Like a skybox placed around the building with parallax to fool the eye.

I know this-. I remember those cars. I remember-.

"Misa-chan?"

Oh. Don't need skill when the person has a big old trauma button right there to mash like an arcade shooter.

I shudder.

"Are you coming to watch it with us?"

The worst kind of honey trap. A happy moment, but if she lets herself fall into it, everything goes far, far more wrong than really happened.

Mama-?

I run towards the door but I'm not moving! I'm slow! And I hear the front door opening before I even reach the landing, and Pap shouting-!

Hell, it's even messing with her ability to use her powers. Drawback of a less resilient metaphysique...

Why can't I move!

My bedroom door closes in front of me, and I grab the handle and yank on it and it's stuck! I pull and pull-!

That's it, fight. Don't let it suck you in...

My left foot kicks against-. My kama, I dropped them-. Pick them up! And slash! No Barrier Impedes

I cut the hinges and the lock and kick, and my door falls onto the landing, and run! I don't use the stairs, I just throw myself towards the ground! Towards the living room-!

They're already dead.

I didn't see them like this. Not when it happened. I just-. They're posed just like in the police photographs, only the blood is more fresh. I sheath my kama and-. And check Mama's neck. Her wrist. Her life.

The backstory trauma of dead parents... Right in her PTSD...

Dead.

I do the same for papa. He's dead too. I know he's dead. That they're both dead. But-.

If she could focus, she'd remember she has power, and that she sought that power because of this...

But I'm already trying to think of a reason why someone would do this. My house, my p-. Parents. To show that they know me? Something preventing me getting down here in a fraction of a second, and that's something that I should have been able to do easily. To make me afraid? To-?

Or something with little to no cognitive processes latching onto a traumatic moment and metaphorically slapping you with it to make you go away...

The blood is fresh. He might still be here.

I killed the real murderer, but doing it again might-.

Goddammit, Misa. Hook, line and sinker.

"Ah, Imane."

Master?

I turn around, and he's holding my naginata. And the… Point is covered in blood?

Oh, brother, talk about crude.

"I suppose it's about time that you knew."

What?

"It was always me. I killed your parents to create you."

Unfortunately, she's not really thinking clearly right now, so this sort of 'confession' scene is likely to send her haring off in search of the Renegade.

I'm still not sure if this is something playing games with them, trying to persuade them to kill each other for fun or if it's some kind of defensive system guarding the crater, but there is definitely something orchestrating these scenarios. The question is will the Renegade have to defend himself from his subordinates and if they'll last long enough to find out what and why...

WereDragon · 2026-02-25T10:50:17+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"It was always me. I killed your parents to create you."

Because of course telling someone something when they are blatantly trapped in an illusion is so persuasive. /sarcasm

Ngamer11 said:
I see. Since whoever this is failed to kill the Renegade, they're trying to twist his followers into doing it for them.

Pretty sure the git doing this could kill them all with a snap of the fingers. They are playing a very different game.
...just wish the story wasn't wasting a whole chapter on said game.

Duke Long · 2026-02-25T11:33:45+0000

Mr Zoat said:
I know that it is possible to move a house, with teleporters or levitation or just being really strong. I asked Master if he could pick up a house once and said that the only reason he couldn't was because it would fall apart.

'he said'?

Mr Zoat said:
I look down at my naginata. It isn't good for narrow corridors or furnished rooms, when you are not sure where the attack will comer from. And whatever is doing this can move things faster than I can run.

'come'

Mr Zoat said:
Supervillains do stupid and wasteful things all of the time, but I don't have any enemies because I always kill them.

…Maybe she doesn't know that resurrection is possible? But more seriously, I doubt she has fought many people who have the ability to do something like this.

Mr Zoat said:
I wrap my knuckle against the wall as I make my way up the stairs.

'rap', unless Iname is confused about the spelling.
'knuckles'?

Mr Zoat said:
I run towards the door but I'm not moving! I'm
slow! And I hear the front door opening before I even reach the landing, and Pap shouting-!

'Papa'?

Mr Zoat said:
I didn't see them like this. Not when it happened. I just-. They're posed just like in the police photographs, only the blood is more fresh. I sheath my kama and-. And check Mama's neck. Her wrist. Her life.

'sheathe'

Mr Zoat said:
I do the same for papa. He's dead too. I know he's dead. That they're both dead. But-.

'Papa'?

Mr Zoat said:
"Ah, Imane."

'Iname'
or
'Amane', unless the illusion has her name wrong.

Mr Zoat said:
"It was always me. I killed your parents to create you."

Hahaha, this is class. I will be a bit disappointed if Iname believes this.

Ngamer11 said:
I see. Since whoever this is failed to kill the Renegade, they're trying to twist his followers into doing it for them.

Darko said:
They may have viewed Renegade as being the biggest threat, so they decided to focus most of their fire power on him.

The fact that he also recently used the Sword of the Fallen may make them worry that the others may have something similar.

And using psychological warfare against Renegade wouldn't really be that effective since aside from his Anti-Life exposure he doesn't really have any traumatic experiences that he couldn't power through if he needed to.

Imane does have issues that can be exploited.

We saw that this thing might have some sense of morality earlier, so it's possible that it views Iname as someone who has unfortunately been tricked into following an evil master, and so it doesn't want to kill her.

Could also be that this thing has some limited reserve of illusion juice, and it's not confident in winning a war of attrition against Grayven.

The Sword of the Fallen is a fairly likely candidate for the difference in behaviour, since it one-shot the Provider and this entity seems incapable of depowering it as it depowers other equipment, which might have spooked it a little.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Ironic, as the naginata was seen as a favourable weapon for noblewomen, and the halls of their mansions were likely not that much wider than modern homes. Then again, her design is probably a bit more scythe-like for style reasons...

Note the mention of 'when you don't know where the attack will come from'. I imagine a defending noblewoman typically would know where it was coming from, so the situation is incomparable.

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-25T12:14:53+0000

Duke Long said:
'he said'?
'come'
'rap', unless Iname is confused about the spelling.
'knuckles'?
'Papa'?
'sheathe'
'Papa'?
'Iname'
or
'Amane', unless the illusion has her name wrong.

Thank you, corrected.

Steelplaza · 2026-02-25T13:21:19+0000

This is really starting to seem like Black Mercy type effect. Mind controlling these three past their anti-mind-control would be difficult, but surely not as difficult as reshaping reality like clay while ignoring all their exotic defenses.

Signaller · 2026-02-25T13:37:29+0000

I honestly forgot that Misa wasn't just an obscure DC character that Zoat pulled out from an archive.

Signaller · 2026-02-25T13:45:30+0000

Mr Zoat said:
The teacher John Constantine told me that he knows a spell to replace the view through one window with the view from another-.

I dont know for sure but I'd guess just "teacher Constantine" as a translation from Sensei, without a first name? As an aside, a quick google says it'd be コンスタンティン which is transliterated as Konsutantin, apparently the closest that set of phonemes allowes.

Huttj509 · 2026-02-25T14:26:53+0000

WereDragon said:
Because of course telling someone something when they are blatantly trapped in an illusion is so persuasive. /sarcasm

It's some sort of mental attack preying on memories and emotions (either directly, or in service of the attack).

Grayven was able to pull out of it easily due to his connection to Luna, and that being a firm thing to focus on.

Note that Mina knows the house is fake, that someone's messing with her, but the scenario with her parents still affected her strongly.

Just because you know it's false doesn't mean it won't pull at your brain in debilitating ways.

hkim · 2026-02-25T15:40:02+0000

Ngamer11 said:
I see. Since whoever this is failed to kill the Renegade, they're trying to twist his followers into doing it for them.

The timestamps on that section and this one are about a minute apart - they're happening simultaneously and I bet there's a Persuader bit too.

Bigreader · 2026-02-25T18:11:48+0000

I've forgotten the origin of this speedster. Also, did they do a Kingdom Hearts and meet mickey mouse at some point in some other universe, because she mentioned how mickey mouse didn't paint as well as some other person.And that struck me as odd

Duke Long · 2026-02-25T18:43:58+0000

Bigreader said:
I've forgotten the origin of this speedster. Also, did they do a Kingdom Hearts and meet mickey mouse at some point in some other universe, because she mentioned how mickey mouse didn't paint as well as some other person.And that struck me as odd

She's Misa Amane from the Death Note anime. She exists in this universe because of Ambush Bug's bugs. She met Grayven via his Japanese ogre tentacle orgies (I think?), and asked him to kill the murderer of her parents. Instead he made her a speedster New God and let her kill him herself.

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-25T20:34:08+0000

Bigreader said:
I've forgotten the origin of this speedster. Also, did they do a Kingdom Hearts and meet mickey mouse at some point in some other universe, because she mentioned how mickey mouse didn't paint as well as some other person.And that struck me as odd

View: https://youtu.be/B4M-54cEduo?si=EdPXS_Lh76wBHTUz&t=9

Zig · 2026-02-25T20:42:22+0000

Duke Long said:
She's Miss Amane from the Death Note anime. She exists in this universe because of Ambush Bug's bugs. She met Grayven via his Japanese ogre tentacle orgies (I think?), and asked him to kill the murderer of her parents. Instead he made her a speedster New God and let her kill him herself.

Wait really? I thought she was just some random Japanese girl named Misa that he met and then gave her the god name Iname as an inside joke to himself?

Someguy Somewhere · 2026-02-25T21:02:39+0000

You Know....I thought it was policy for Gravyen to send Drones First....after the whole Castle Doom thing. Really failing to follow your own SOP manuals here with this exploration....leaping before looking really is Renegades Kryptonite.

Duke Long · 2026-02-25T22:07:08+0000

Zig said:
Wait really? I thought she was just some random Japanese girl named Misa that he met and then gave her the god name Iname as an inside joke to himself?

Yes, really. She was introduced on April Fool's and she has the same appearance, name, and background as the anime character. The name was an inside joke, though. Apparently it's an MtG card. Does she know that? Surely she's asked about the meaning behind the name at some point. Does it have any meaning other than the MtG card that Grayven can deflect with?

Mr Zoat said:
And the passion's gone, as if that moment drained her. "It was a robbery. He broke in through the back door while we were out at dinner." She's staring at her mug, completely still. "When we came back, we didn't realise that he was in the house until he came into the living room with a kitchen knife. I-I don't know why he killed them, but I was-." Her eyes are watering. "I was right there, and he stabbed them! And they were bleeding and I couldn't do anything. And after he ran away I phoned the ambulance but by the time they got there-." Her voice hitches, her body hunching slightly. "By the time they got there it was too late. They were dead! He killed them!"

Mr Zoat said:
I run towards the door but I'm not moving! I'm slow! And I hear the front door opening before I even reach the landing, and Papa shouting-!

Also, I found a possible inconsistency between Amane's initial account of the murder and what she's seeing here. Originally the murderer was already in the house, whereas it seems he might've come through the front door in the illusion? I guess that's just more of these illusions being imperfect.

Silverias · 2026-02-25T23:14:12+0000

Zig said:
Wait really? I thought she was just some random Japanese girl named Misa that he met and then gave her the god name Iname as an inside joke to himself?

Met her in teh same chapter as Sunset

Silveraith · 2026-02-25T23:40:50+0000

The true downside of this story is that it's been running for so long and has grown to such a length that much like DC Comics themselves, ain't nobody remembers every part of it. Even Zoat has admitted he's forgotten what he's written.

I'm loving this ride but don't ask me what the plot points were a year ago, much less five.

Mr Zoat · 2026-02-26T08:36:27+0000

20th August 2013
11:13 GMT -7

…

I stare at him…

"Hehaahaa!"

And then I laugh, because…

"Have you lost your mind, Amane Misa?"

"No, you're just ridiculous! You want me to believe that Master picked out a family in Japan and killed my parents, and then just… Bumped into me later and gave me power when I begged him of help? And that the man who was accused of murdering them wasn't… Guilty? Master wouldn't do something like that, and if he did then he wouldn't do it in such a stupid and wasteful way!"

"You do not know the depths of my evil."

I shake my head. This is much less scary than a teleporting house! "I am a singer and a model. There are thousands of people Master could remake as a New God who would be better weapons than me. And even more who would just volunteer if he asked them to. He didn't need me. He chose me because I need him."

"You know what I want you to know and believe what I intend for you to believe."

I stare at him, carefully trying to feel his soul. I know how Master feels, and how the other New Gods I've met feel… Nothing.

I nod. "We should have realised that a magical world would have evil demons on it. That is what you are, isn't it?" Ooh, he looks mad. "Were you going to make me run around in circles until Master got here, and then try and fool me into fighting him?"

The stupid demon doesn't answer me. The demon who bore Master's children was at least that cunning. Maybe it is like the First; too powerful to need to be clever? Because that was definitely what it was trying to do-.

"You merit punishment for your own sins."

I point one of my kama at him. "You're committing identity fraud! That's a sin too!"

"I use whatever face is appropriate to mete out earned punishment."

"What do you think that I have done?"

"Five hundred and seventy four instances of murder stain your soul."

"No they don't."

"Do not like to me, murderer-."

"They don't stain it. I have killed a lot more people than that!"

"I do not count those who are murderers themselves, or who were trying to kill you."

That doesn't sound right. "You were watching whenever I killed anyone? Or did you just make up a number to make it sound like you were?"

"I do not need to watch you in order to know the weight of your misdeeds." He points the blade of my naginata at me. "I will punish you-"

Oh no he did not!

"-myself."

"That's not the line! And you're too big and you're a man and-! You can't say things like that!"

He stares at me for a moment, and I use the time to check my footing.

And then he jabs at me with my own weapon. I side-. I still can't move at my normal speed, but I've learned what angles a naginata can strike at when your hands are like that. Left and back as he swings to the side, strike the haft of the weapon with the heel of my right hand to force it away and then lunge!

He spins the weapon to strike at me with the butt of the haft but using Master's form has made him too tall! It's easy for me to duck under and stab, because just like Master he's left his hands bare!

It… Doesn't cut him?

Step left as he strikes at me with his knee, keep moving around as he brings the naginata back into a guard position, spin and slash at the back of his head as he tries to turn-. Nothing. And these are really sharp! I step back-.

Ough!

Too… Too slow.

I pull myself out of a kitchen cabinet as he turns to face me, blade pointing in my direction once more. He's not as strong as Master-. He's a lot less strong if my New God powers have been turned off, because I'm not very tough, even compared to Persuader. If he hit as hard as Master all of my ribs would be broken at best.

Is he trying to make me scared?

"You are a demon!"

"I am justice-" He comes up to the kitchen doorway. "-delivered through divine vengeance."

I frown. "I'm a New God. I've got a bit of the Source in me! And you're a demon! I'm more divine than you are! So I say that I'm divine vengeance and that every single person I killed deserved it!"

The fake's eyes are glowing white, which Master's eyes don't do.

"Arrogance is not normally something I punish by itself, but something like that-."

"You don't like it because it's true, demon! God sent Master to fix all of civilisation in the universe and I get to help him and you got an empty planet no one wants! Because you're pointless!" Cut To The Quick

He hurls the naginata at me but my speed is working again and I sidestep-.

The naginata smashes through the wall behind me and I don't wait, I just run out, following the naginata. Outside, it's still raining, and my weapon-. It didn't even go that far. That's weird. I sheath my kama, pick up my naginata, and look around very carefully in case my house has caught up with me again.

It hasn't. Instead, it's gone completely.

Hm.

I run… Back to where I think it was before I escaped. And there's no sign. Nothing on the rock, nothing from the bits of the wall that were smashes out… Nothing.

I don't like this world.

Okay. So whatever it is can make houses, rob me of my powers, know everything about me even if it doesn't understand anything, and get really mad when you insult it. And it's invulnerable to physical attacks.

Maybe I should start carrying a blaster?

Did it make the Provider like it made my house? It could have done, but that wasn't just a copy unless Evil Master showed Master one of them that looked like that. None of the ones which I saw had those lines on them. So it's not just copying, it can make new things too.

And it was trying to scare me. Trying to make me feel bad about the things it thinks I shouldn't have done. But… Why? And why not on Earth? Is it stuck here? That's the only thing that seems to make sense… But… It should be able to go into the Dream, shouldn't it? Or whatever version of Hell exists here, and get to Earth that way? So it is stuck here?

So it's stuck here, and doesn't want to be, and even though the smart thing to do would be to pretend to be nice so that we would take it away, it attacked us. So… Maybe it knows that it can't get away? And it's just taking a shot because that's all it can do?

I… Could check out the whole of the crater, but I… I think I should find Persuader instead.

BR549 · 2026-02-26T08:42:21+0000

Mr Zoat said:
But… Why? And why not on Earth? Is it stuck here? That's the only thing that seems to make sense… But… It should be able to go into the Dream, shouldn't it? Or whatever version of Hell exists here, and get to Earth that way? So it is stuck here?

So it's stuck here, and doesn't want to be, and even though the smart thing to do would be to pretend to be nice so that we would take it away, it attacked us. So… Maybe it knows that it can't get away? And it's just taking a shot because that's all it can do?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYW_lPlekiQ

boo600 · 2026-02-26T08:55:34+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"I do not need to watch you in order to know the weight of your misdeeds." He points the blade of my naginata at me. "I will punish you-"

Oh no he did not!

"-myself."

"That's not the line! And you're too big and you're a man and-! You can't say things like that!"

…in the name of the moon?

Vaermina · 2026-02-26T08:58:40+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"I am justice-" He comes up to the kitchen doorway. "-delivered through divine vengeance."

If true they are in a lot of trouble, because only the innocent can defeat justice.

Ngamer11 · 2026-02-26T09:21:47+0000

Mr Zoat said:
…

I stare at him…

"Hehaahaa!"

And then I laugh, because…

"Have you lost your mind, Amane Misa?"

"No, you're just ridiculous! You want me to believe that Master picked out a family in Japan and killed my parents, and then just… Bumped into me later and gave me power when I begged him of help? And that the man who was accused of murdering them wasn't… Guilty? Master wouldn't do something like that, and if he did then he wouldn't do it in such a stupid and wasteful way!"

"You do not know the depths of my evil."

I shake my head. This is much less scary than a teleporting house! "I am a singer and a model. There are thousands of people Master could remake as a New God who would be better weapons than me. And even more who would just volunteer if he asked them to. He didn't need me. He chose me because I need him."

I really like how this thing's attempt at manipulating or scaring Misa just fell flat because it was too stupid to actually do it properly, especially after it was doing a good job unnerving her by recreating her dead parents and her house's old look.

"I do not need to watch you in order to know the weight of your misdeeds." He points the blade of my naginata at me. "I will punish you-"

Oh no he did not!

"-myself."

"That's not the line! And you're too big and you're a man and-! You can't say things like that!"

What is Misa referring here?

"You are a demon!"

"I am justice-" He comes up to the kitchen doorway. "-delivered through divine vengeance."

I frown. "I'm a New God. I've got a bit of the Source in me! And you're a demon! I'm more divine than you are! So I say that I'm divine vengeance and that every single person I killed deserved it!"

The fake's eyes are glowing white, which Master's eyes don't do.

"Arrogance is not normally something I punish by itself, but something like that-."

"You don't like it because it's true, demon! God sent Master to fix all of civilisation in the universe and I get to help him and you got an empty planet no one wants! Because you're pointless!" Cut To The Quick

I am so enjoying Misa burning this thing with harsh truths, though I have a feeling Persuader will be less successful than the Renegade or Misa.

BR549 said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYW_lPlekiQ

Thanks for posting this clip as this seems like what this thing's whole plan is.

Chojin Patriarch · 2026-02-26T09:26:18+0000

Mr Zoat said:
20th August 2013
11:13 GMT -7

…

I stare at him…

"Hehaahaa!"

To be fair, a claim like that would be pretty hard to believe, even coming from the Renegade, or something that looks like him. Honestly, it feels like a claim that the original Grayven would make, trying to play a grand mastermind...

And then I laugh, because…

"Have you lost your mind, Amane Misa?"

No, but this thing clearly has if it thought that would work.

"No, you're just ridiculous! You want me to believe that Master picked out a family in Japan and killed my parents, and then just… Bumped into me later and gave me power when I begged him of help? And that the man who was accused of murdering them wasn't… Guilty? Master wouldn't do something like that, and if he did then he wouldn't do it in such a stupid and wasteful way!"

Certainly, it seems a little silly, the plan she's describing. Far too many moving parts for the Renegade's tastes, for one.

"You do not know the depths of my evil."

I shake my head. This is much less scary than a teleporting house! "I am a singer and a model. There are thousands of people Master could remake as a New God who would be better weapons than me. And even more who would just volunteer if he asked them to. He didn't need me. He chose me because I need him."

Indeed, the Renegade would have selected trained soldiers over a teenage girl with dead parents. But he saw something in Misa that he liked... Or he just thought it was funny.

"You know what I want you to know and believe what I intend for you to believe."

I stare at him, carefully trying to feel his soul. I know how Master feels, and how the other New Gods I've met feel… Nothing.

Because he's a construct of this new thaumosphere, perhaps. A blank slate that seems to have chosen to torment and taunt.

I nod. "We should have realised that a magical world would have evil demons on it. That is what you are, isn't it?" Ooh, he looks mad. "Were you going to make me run around in circles until Master got here, and then try and fool me into fighting him?"

The stupid demon doesn't answer me. The demon who bore Master's children was at least that cunning. Maybe it is like the First; too powerful to need to be clever? Because that was definitely what it was trying to do-.

...Maybe don't phrase it quite that way around him? Or anyone? People might get the wrong idea.

"You merit punishment for your own sins."

I point one of my kama at him. "You're committing identity fraud! That's a sin too!"

So now it's trying to steal the Spectre's schtick? How pathetic.

"I use whatever face is appropriate to mete out earned punishment."

"What do you think that I have done?"

Given that nearly everything she does is at the Renegade's behest, can it even count?

"Five hundred and seventy four instances of murder stain your soul."

"No they don't."

Besides, is it a sin if you don't feel any shame or regret about it?

"Do not like to me, murderer-."

"They don't stain it. I have killed a lot more people than that!"

I bet she remembers every death she's dealt, too. And more importantly, all the lives saved through those deaths.

"I do not count those who are murderers themselves, or who were trying to kill you."

That doesn't sound right. "You were watching whenever I killed anyone? Or did you just make up a number to make it sound like you were?"

I doubt there's some record of her 'sins' etched into her New God soul, after all.

"I do not need to watch you in order to know the weight of your misdeeds." He points the blade of my naginata at me. "I will punish you-"

Oh no he did not!

"-myself."

And of course she's a 'Sailor Moon' fangirl.

"That's not the line! And you're too big and you're a man and-! You can't say things like that!"

He stares at me for a moment, and I use the time to check my footing.

Besides, would you really want to see the Renegade posing like Usagi?

And then he jabs at me with my own weapon. I side-. I still can't move at my normal speed, but I've learned what angles a naginata can strike at when your hands are like that. Left and back as he swings to the side, strike the haft of the weapon with the heel of my right hand to force it away and then lunge!

The drawback of it being a single-bladed weapon with a curved line, making it not that effective at thrusting attacks, just like the other Japanese blades whose shape they share. Yes, you can stab with them, but it takes a distinct motion that Misa can certainly recognise and dodge.

He spins the weapon to strike at me with the butt of the haft but using Master's form has made him too tall! It's easy for me to duck under and stab, because just like Master he's left his hands bare!

It… Doesn't cut him?

That really is a bit of a lingering mistake on the Renegade's part. I guess it suggests he's not concerned about getting slashed across the wrists, but really, at least wear some form of cuff.

Step left as he strikes at me with his knee, keep moving around as he brings the naginata back into a guard position, spin and slash at the back of his head as he tries to turn-. Nothing. And these are really sharp! I step back-.

Ough!

So her only option is to dodge, evade and hope it makes a mistake. Great.

Too… Too slow.

I pull myself out of a kitchen cabinet as he turns to face me, blade pointing in my direction once more. He's not as strong as Master-. He's a lot less strong if my New God powers have been turned off, because I'm not very tough, even compared to Persuader. If he hit as hard as Master all of my ribs would be broken at best.

On the other hand, if she can collect her will and focus on the discrepancies, she might find a weakness, something she can attack.

Is he trying to make me scared?

"You are a demon!"

Or something similar, trying to make them afraid to feed on it.

"I am justice-" He comes up to the kitchen doorway. "-delivered through divine vengeance."

I frown. "I'm a New God. I've got a bit of the Source in me! And you're a demon! I'm more divine than you are! So I say that I'm divine vengeance and that every single person I killed deserved it!"

Speaking of spirits of vengeance, what are Eclipso and the Spectre up to in the Renegade timeline, I wonder?

The fake's eyes are glowing white, which Master's eyes don't do.

"Arrogance is not normally something I punish by itself, but something like that-."

Oh, stop trying to aura farm, you cheap copycat. Can't even get the colours right, can it?

"You don't like it because it's true, demon! God sent Master to fix all of civilisation in the universe and I get to help him and you got an empty planet no one wants! Because you're pointless!" Cut To The Quick

He hurls the naginata at me but my speed is working again and I sidestep-.

An interesting interpretation of circumstances, but the taunt and display of Narrative power definitely seems to have scored a hit.

The naginata smashes through the wall behind me and I don't wait, I just run out, following the naginata. Outside, it's still raining, and my weapon-. It didn't even go that far. That's weird. I sheath my kama, pick up my naginata, and look around very carefully in case my house has caught up with me again.

I doubt it'll keep trying a tack that's failed. It didn't with the Renegade, between the Provider and Luna fakes...

It hasn't. Instead, it's gone completely.

Hm.

Probably gone to attack Persuader instead.

I run… Back to where I think it was before I escaped. And there's no sign. Nothing on the rock, nothing from the bits of the wall that were smashed out… Nothing.

I don't like this world.

Seems to be a consistent opinion amongst all its visitors so far...

Okay. So whatever it is can make houses, rob me of my powers, know everything about me even if it doesn't understand anything, and get really mad when you insult it. And it's invulnerable to physical attacks.

Maybe I should start carrying a blaster?

It claimed to know everything. Perhaps it has some psychometric abilities, if it could make such a perfect replica of her house as it was. But it must have limits, surely.

Did it make the Provider like it made my house? It could have done, but that wasn't just a copy unless Evil Master showed Master one of them that looked like that. None of the ones which I saw had those lines on them. So it's not just copying, it can make new things too.

Heh. Like generative algorithms. Smashing things together to try and make new things, without understanding context.

And it was trying to scare me. Trying to make me feel bad about the things it thinks I shouldn't have done. But… Why? And why not on Earth? Is it stuck here? That's the only thing that seems to make sense… But… It should be able to go into the Dream, shouldn't it? Or whatever version of Hell exists here, and get to Earth that way? So it is stuck here?

Safe bet is whatever physical form it has is at the centre of that crater. And by now it is very sure it doesn't want them anywhere near it.

So it's stuck here, and doesn't want to be, and even though the smart thing to do would be to pretend to be nice so that we would take it away, it attacked us. So… Maybe it knows that it can't get away? And it's just taking a shot because that's all it can do?

I… Could check out the whole of the crater, but I… I think I should find Persuader instead.

Good plan. I doubt she has as strong a sense of devotion as you do to resist manipulations...

At least with every failure, we get some idea of the entity's goals and capabilities. It wants them to be afraid and possibly regretful. Why, though? Hunger for some emotional aspect? Searching for a host to carry it away from whatever prison is holding it here? Or perhaps it's just being a spiteful, hateful thing that abhors anyone being happy...

Ngamer11 · 2026-02-26T09:40:33+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"Do not like to me, murderer-."

Just noticed an error. That should say 'lie'.

Duke Long · 2026-02-26T09:50:09+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"No, you're just ridiculous! You want me to believe that Master picked out a family in Japan and killed my parents, and then just… Bumped into me later and gave me power when I begged him of help? And that the man who was accused of murdering them wasn't… Guilty? Master wouldn't do something like that, and if he did then he wouldn't do it in such a stupid and wasteful way!"

'for'

WereDragon · 2026-02-26T10:19:32+0000

Mr Zoat said:
20th August 2013
11:13 GMT -7

The pet murder-blender shows commendable wisdom and surprising depth.

Maybe I should start carrying a blaster?

Yes you should. It wouldn't have helped in this instance but having a non-melee backup weapon is rarely a bad thing.

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