With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Mr Zoat]

Just saying, she basically built her rule on extortion and mind-control, which makes her even less trustworthy. And I also wouldn't put it past her to have built her rule on even more corpses either.

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You don't know any of that. I wouldn't even call what she did to Thanagar extortion. At worst it was profiteering.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

You don't know any of that. I wouldn't even call what she did to Thanagar extortion. At worst it was profiteering.

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Oh, really? "Make me your ruler or else I won't save your civilisation from collapsing because of this horrible plague". I know I'm paraphrasing here, but that sounds like extortion to me. We're not talking about holding back material goods, here. We're talking about the lives of potentially billions and the collapse of an entire civilisation. That goes way, WAY beyond simple profiteering.

Extortion is the act of of obtaining something by making people act out of fear of harm, especially by threats, intimidation, coercion, psychological pressure or violence. Forcing an entire civilisation to bow to you by holding the means to their survival hostage in exchange for making you their supreme leader against their will definitely counts.

Even if we ignore that, that doesn't change the fact that giving a life-or-death ultimatum to your entire race is still a really disgusting way to get yourself declared as the leader of your people, because you're essentially holding your entire world hostage. And it shows that at the end of the day, Hyanthis is a cold-hearted bitch who doesn't care how many of her own people get sick or die as long as she gets to rule.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Oh, really? "Make me your ruler or else I won't save your civilisation from collapsing because of this horrible plague". I know I'm paraphrasing here, but that sounds like extortion to me. We're not talking about holding back material goods, here. We're talking about the lives of potentially billions and the collapse of an entire civilisation. That goes way, WAY beyond simple profiteering.

Extortion is the act of of obtaining something by making people act out of fear of harm, especially by threats, intimidation, coercion, psychological pressure or violence. Forcing an entire civilisation to bow to you by holding the means to their survival hostage in exchange for making you their supreme leader against their will definitely counts.

Even if we ignore that, that doesn't change the fact that giving a life-or-death ultimatum to your entire race is still a really disgusting way to get yourself declared as the leader of your people, because you're essentially holding your entire world hostage. And it shows that at the end of the day, Hyanthis is a cold-hearted bitch who doesn't care how many of her own people get sick or die as long as she gets to rule.

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'Extortion' is making money through force or threats. She didn't threaten them. They were already suffering from the Equalizing Plague, which she had nothing to do with starting or spreading to them. It was profiteering because she took advantage of the crisis and being the only one who could cure it right then to drive the price up, but that's it.

 

[McGraww]

IDK I feel like people are forgetting that Thanagar is explicitly a fascist, racist, expansionist Empire. They are not nice people.

Is Hyanthis perfect? No, not really.

Is she honestly pretty dang good by the standards of space empires? Yes.

The idea that Hyanthis is this terrible cruel empress who needs to be defeated just...doesn't track with what we've seen of her.

Yes, she is at war with and conquering her neighbors. But like so is Thanagar. If you think Hyanthis needs to be defeated, then you should also think Thanagar needs a violent revolution from Paul. (And hey, if you do, my bad.)

 

[Alan975]

They are not nice people.

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ofc, but atleast they're not the spiders.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

IDK I feel like people are forgetting that Thanagar is explicitly a fascist, racist, expansionist Empire. They are not nice people.

Is Hyanthis perfect? No, not really.

Is she honestly pretty dang good by the standards of space empires? Yes.

The idea that Hyanthis is this terrible cruel empress who needs to be defeated just...doesn't track with what we've seen of her.

Yes, she is at war with and conquering her neighbors. But like so is Thanagar. If you think Hyanthis needs to be defeated, then you should also think Thanagar needs a violent revolution from Paul. (And hey, if you do, my bad.)

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Yup. Honestly, I can't remember how many times I've wanted to punch the Thanagarians in the face for their arrogance and xenophobia. They deserve to get wrecked.

But despite all that, Hyanthis' withdrawal of a solution to a civilisation-ending crisis makes them look reasonable in comparison. Being the lightest shade of black in a conflict means that at the end of the day, you're still black.

'Extortion' is making money through force or threats. She didn't threaten them. They were already suffering from the Equalizing Plague, which she had nothing to do with starting or spreading to them. It was profiteering because she took advantage of the crisis and being the only one who could cure it right then to drive the price up, but that's it.

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It doesn't have to be monetary gain to count as extortion. It can be political power too. And yes, she might not have started the crisis, but she did knowingly withold the solution from her people, and she would have gladly just stood there and let them all die if they had refused. That's still really damn scummy, even by Thanagar's standards. Like I said: she was holding the salvation of billions hostage for the sake of her own selfish gain. At the very least, it proves that she's untrustworthy and shouldn't be allowed near Earth.

 

[Vaermina]

That just motivates him to use more extreme measures sooner. I really hope it'll be something that will cause all the factions in the Antares system to decide to hold off any fighting for now to avoid getting even more of his attention.

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What extreme measures?

He'd need someone who can figure out exactly where the device is, who also has the ability to grab it out of the sun, who can then also reverse all the damage already done. And they would have to be able to do all of that in the minutes he has left before the sun expands to the point of no return.

Like, the only group we've seen this entire story that might have the ability to pull that off is the Silver City. And Orange Lantern would sooner sell his soul to demons then ask them for help.

 

[Darko]

What extreme measures?

He'd need someone who can figure out exactly where the device is, who also has the ability to grab it out of the sun, who can then also reverse all the damage already done. And they would have to be able to do all of that in the minutes he has left before the sun expands to the point of no return.

Like, the only group we've seen this entire story that might have the ability to pull that off is the Silver City. And Orange Lantern would sooner sell his soul to demons then ask them for help.

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You do remember the time he asked Zauriel, a member of the Silver City, to help with the rehabilitation of some criminals?

Of course you don't.

You do remember the fact that one of his friends is the champion of a sun god?

Of course you don't.

You do remember that one of his teammates is a former angel that apparently helped the first suns ignite?

Of course you don't.

You do remember that his list of contacts include the likes of the Controllers, who are hyperintelligent godlike beings.

Of course you don't.

You do remember that one of his contact include the Sivana family?

Of course you don't.

 

[Vaermina]

You do remember the time he asked Zauriel, a member of the Silver City, to help with the rehabilitation of some criminals?

Of course you don't.

You do remember the fact that one of his friends is the champion of a sun god?

Of course you don't.

You do remember that one of his teammates is a former angel that apparently helped the first suns ignite?

Of course you don't.

You do remember that his list of contacts include the likes of the Controllers, who are hyperintelligent godlike beings.

Of course you don't.

You do remember that one of his contact include the Sivana family?

Of course you don't.

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You do remember that he has mere minutes and even the Controllers would need time to solve a problem like this?

Of course you don't.

 

[Mr Zoat]

It doesn't have to be monetary gain to count as extortion. It can be political power too. And yes, she might not have started the crisis,

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Yes-.

but she did knowingly withold the solution from her people,

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Wait, what? No? The people of the Equalized Thanagarian Republic weren't her people. They were foreign people she offered to help while her own people were in a major war with three other planets.

and she would have gladly just stood there and let them all die if they had refused. That's still really damn scummy, even by Thanagar's standards. Like I said: she was holding the salvation of billions hostage for the sake of her own selfish gain. At the very least, it proves that she's untrustworthy and shouldn't be allowed near Earth.

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She was making it conditional precisely because she wanted to use their military resources for help Alstair with the Antares War. Unless she got that she was wasting time.

 

[ziggrrauglurr]

Ah, a nerd.

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I really like that they separated inditutional knowledge of the full process so that someone like OL couldn't access or in his car Subvert the knowledge like he attempted to do here

Don't forget that these idiots tried to kill him; it's good to make it clear that doing so just gets your plot ripped apart,

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I think it was a way for the controlled thannagarian to "send a signal out" if he manager to kill OL it was a great thing for his "master's", but if OL survived he might discover the whole plot, oh well I'm sure the chances are low, right. It would be such a strange if he discovered everything and saved Thannagar...

The idea that Hyanthis is this terrible cruel empress who needs to be defeated just...doesn't track with what we've seen of her.

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Exactly, she is definitely not the worst person in this sector

She was making it conditional precisely because she wanted to use their military resources for help Alstair with the Antares War. Unless she got that she was wasting time.

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And she had perfectly valid reasons, and did help the enslaved people.

 

[Darko]

You do remember that he has mere minutes and even the Controllers would need time to solve a problem like this?

Of course you don't.

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So you forgot about the fact that the Controllers have dealt with and have experience with so many different things that nothing surprises them anymore.

And you also forgot about the fact that Paul can teleport.

 

[Mr Zoat]

8th September 2013
11:08 GMT

Now, I remember Kyle Rayner diving into the sun to measure the sun eater's progress in the comics. I know that I can block the pressure, heat and radiation of a star while I fly through it. That's not the issue. The issue is that Antares is really big, and according to my new thralls the energy drainer is about ten metres long.

Needle in a haystack doesn't even begin to cover it. A needle hidden somewhere on the Earth begins to cover it, while still coming up short. I don't really want to be fumbling around while planets are getting consumed.

Fortunately, there's another way to track it.

I look at the desires of the thanagarian warlock, the chief engineer, the other engineers and crew members, seeing the desire for victory, for vengeance, for a peace they've never known, for scientific discovery, and to empower his demonic master and enable him to return to the material universe and cast down the heretics and unbelievers…

That last one is fairly specific.

But they felt them, thought about them, manifested them as they worked and built and finally fired their work into Antares. And in this thin film of a material universe overlaid on a dozen planes of strange energies floating on a sea of Dream…

That's something we can track.

That's something we can… Taste.

The physical is such a small part of all that is. We think it pleases us that our newer half perceives it as our older half does.

So many desires tied to the physical reality of this star, strange dreams from early peoples projecting their small thoughts and feelings onto a distant object. Dimly, we feel the slow thoughts of the star itself, barely aware of what the little creatures around it do with their lives, considering their incomprehensibly small civilisations to be testaments to its greatness.

A foolish oversight, considering what they're trying to do.

And the desires we tasted upon the workers of the inner planet, we see where they actualise. A sharp peak of focus amongst the diffuse desires of witless witnesses of the grossly incandescent ball of plasma visible through their skies.

And… Something else. An alien desire, not tied to the living creatures-.

"Who would disrupt my feeding?"

Our newer half, chastened by his experience with the Anti-Life, urges shrinking back, practicing caution. We have the location, and therefore we may find it in reality. And that resonance has no positive association for our older half, either.

We could avoid it. But we are a creature of avarice. We do not want such things to touch our reality, our universe.

And we know our strength. And we see its desires. And we see little else.

"Anyone would. We do."

We see his desires, energy flowing through his connection, from the machine. We smile as we bite and pull.

"Mindless serpent! This is mine!"

"Then take it from us, weak one. Or flee from our realm."

We bite harder, our venom spreading through his bond. We can't counter it or dispel it but we can make it so onerous that he-.

We feel it as he tries to feed on us. If we had the capacity, we would laugh.

"I will not forget this!"

"Who were you again?"

That energy which we have recovered, it belongs to the star. We don't… Fully relate to the material universe, but something in our newer half reminds us that dumping large amounts of energy in volatile objects is a bad idea. Instead, we thrust it at the sun's own spirit, to do with as it sees fit.

"Huh? Where did that come from? Wait, that goes..? There..? Why isn't it there?"

Our newer part thinks 'idiot'. Our older part wasn't expecting anything else.

And now, the machine. Without anything taking the energy it would probably destroy itself, but we think that just leaving it in place would be foolish in the extreme. We bite down on it and pull back, away from the realisation of sun-desires, away from the resolution and towards the source and

that-.

I-.

Ugh. Been a while-

"YYYAAAAGHH!"

-since I've done-.

The cultist is on fire, because we just pulled a probe out of the sun! The-

Cold gun!

-metal people are fine, even if they are backing away, but the thanagarian…

His corpse collapses to the ground.

Alright. Schedule Mother of Mercy to fly through here and pick up his soul, and then speak to Lord Hades about his post-mortem confession. Unless-. No, Alstair is thaumically active, and he worshipped the Seven Devils. His soul might be claimed… Well, it's still worth having her fly by, anyway. I-.

My ring shimmers.

Answer.

An… Insectoid head appears.

"Green Lantern Guarn to Orange Lantern. The solar changes appears to have ceased."

"Yeah, I got the machine that was doing it out. How do you want to handle the war fleets?"

"Carefully."

"Carefully?" Hm. "Is that how Green Lantern Corps rules of engagement require, or what you think is best?"

"I lack the skill and power to fight two fleets of this size. If you are that strong, I am content to take your lead."

"Right then. I'll tell Guy and Jordan that you said that."

I

step out, aiming to return to

Jade just as soon as I can.

She looks around from the sensor display screen. "The sun's almost back to normal."

"It'll have to make do with 'almost'."

"Of course that means the war's back to normal."

I look pained. "Already?"

"And the local Green Lantern finally showed up."

"Right." I rub my forehead with my right hand. "Okay. Clearly, ignoring the situation with Alstair and Thanagar isn't achieving the result I want."

She looks up at me. "So what are you going to do?"

"Stop it. I'm going to stop it."

 

[xSieg]

The cultist is on fire, because we just pulled a probe out of the sun! The-

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Metal enough to be his finisher in a fighting game. As usual, Paul always has his best scenes when he's chummy with his snake goddess.

 

[Z000]

so what is the probe thing ?

is that the Sun Eater Paul was thinking about at the start or it is something else in DC that also do Sun shenanigan

 

[Ngamer11]

But they felt them, thought about them, manifested them as they worked and build and finally fired their work into Antares. And in this thin film of a material universe overlaid on a dozen planes of strange energies floating on a sea of Dream…

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That should say 'built'.

"Who would disrupt my feeding?"

Our newer half, chastened by his experience with the Anti-Life, urges shrinking back, practicing caution. We have the location, and therefore we may find it in reality. And that resonance has no positive association for our older half, either.

We could avoid it. But we are a creature of avarice. We do not want such things to touch our reality, our universe.

And we know our strength. And we see its desires. And we see little else.

"Anyone would. We do."

We see his desires, energy flowing through his connection, from the machine. We smile as we bite and pull.

"Mindless serpent! This is mine!"

"Then take it from us, weak one. Or flee from our realm."

We bite harder, our venom spreading through his bond. We can't counter it or dispel it but we can make it so onerous that he-.

We feel it as he tried to feed on us. If we had the capacity, we would laugh.

"I will not forget this!"

"Who were you again?"

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As funny as this is, Paul is going to have to take care of that later. I really want to see what would happen to Thanagar if Paul ate the Seven Devils.

She looks around from the sensor display screen. "The sun's almost back to normal."

"It'll have to make do with 'almost'."

"Of course that means the war's back to normal."

I look pained. "Already?"

"And the local Green Lantern finally showed up."

"Right." I rub my forehead with my right hand. "Okay. Clearly, ignoring the situation with Alstair and Thanagar isn't achieving the result I want."

She looks up at me. "So what are you going to do?"

"Stop it. I'm going to stop it."

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I can't wait to see Paul force a ceasefire.

 

[Darko]

And… Something else. An alien desire, not tied to the living creatures-.

"Who would disrupt my feeding

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Hello, Onymar.

We feel it as he tried to feed on

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"tries"

 

[BR549]

"I will not forget this!"

"Who were you again?"

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Paul introduced the Ophidian to the concept of the burn Onimarr Synn's demonic grandparents will feel, and she liked it.

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

8th September 2013
11:08 GMT

Now, I remember Kyle Rayner diving into the sun to measure the sun eater's progress in the comics. I know that I can block the pressure, heat and radiation of a star while I fly through it. That's not the issue. The issue is that Antares is really big, and according to my new thralls the energy drainer is about ten metres long.

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Kyle Rayner should probably not be taken as a normal example of anything, really, especially given how later writers pumped up his natural talent all the way to 'perfect Life Entity Host'...

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Needle in a haystack doesn't even begin to cover it. A needle hidden somewhere on the Earth begins to cover it, while still coming up short. I don't really want to be fumbling around while planets are getting consumed.

Fortunately, there's another way to track it.

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Closer to a single atom in Jupiter in terms of scale. And even that's low-balling it because stars are frikking titanic.

I look at the desires of the thanagarian warlock, the chief engineer, the other engineers and crew members, seeing the desire for victory, for vengeance, for a peace they've never known, for scientific discovery, and to empower his demonic master and enable him to return to the material universe and cast down the heretics and unbelievers…

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Ah, now that's a thread to follow. Just a matter of how.

That last one is fairly specific.

But they felt them, thought about them, manifested them as they worked and build and finally fired their work into Antares. And in this thin film of a material universe overlaid on a dozen planes of strange energies floating on a sea of Dream…

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Ah, now I see. He's casting 'Summon Bigger Fish'...

That's something we can track.

That's something we can… Taste.

The physical is such a small part of all that is. We think it pleases us that our newer half perceives it as our older half does.

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...Or rather, Summon Best Snek.

So many desires tied to the physical reality of this star, strange dreams from early peoples projecting their small thoughts and feelings onto a distant object. Dimly, we feel the slow thoughts of the star itself, barely aware of what the little creatures around it do with their lives, considering their incomprehensibly small civilisations to be testaments to its greatness.

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Because in DC, even stars have souls, spirits, Beings.

A foolish oversight, considering what they're trying to do.

And the desires we tasted upon the workers of the inner planet, we see where they actualise. A sharp peak of focus amongst the diffuse desires of witless witnesses of the grossly incandescent ball of plasma visible through their skies.

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Ah, relying on the perfect Avarice senses of their combined state to find the device, human mind guiding pure power...

And… Something else. An alien desire, not tied to the living creatures-.

"Who would disrupt my feeding?"

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Well, well. Looks like one of the Seven Devils is sniffing around thanks to the cultists' magic.

Our newer half, chastened by his experience with the Anti-Life, urges shrinking back, practicing caution. We have the location, and therefore we may find it in reality. And that resonance has no positive association for our older half, either.

We could avoid it. But we are a creature of avarice. We do not want such things to touch our reality, our universe.

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Pity a god, even a powerful one, pales before an embodiment of a part of Life itself.

And we know our strength. And we see its desires. And we see little else.

"Anyone would. We do."

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...Now that is a boast they can back up.

We see his desires, energy flowing through his connection, from the machine. We smile as we bite and pull.

"Mindless serpent! This is mine!"

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Not any more. Like the oath goes: 'I've claimed all within my sight'...

"Then take it from us, weak one. Or flee from our realm."

We bite harder, our venom spreading through his bond. We can't counter it or dispel it but we can make it so onerous that he-.

We feel it as he tried to feed on us. If we had the capacity, we would laugh.

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Ha. Like trying to drink an ocean.

"I will not forget this!"

"Who were you again?"

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Not that it matters. Not until they make another move on something OLPhidian has claimed.

That energy which we have recovered, it belongs to the star. We don't… Fully relate to the material universe, but something in our newer half reminds us that dumping large amounts of energy in volatile objects is a bad idea. Instead, we thrust it at the sun's own spirit, to do with as it sees fit.

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Heh. have to wonder what it looks like, relatively speaking, especially with so many different sophont species around in-system.

"Huh? Where did that come from? Wait, that goes..? There..? Why isn't it there?"

Our newer part thinks 'idiot'. Our older part wasn't expecting anything else.

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To be fair, it probably spend most of its time dozing while the mortals run around clashing over its' planets.

And now, the machine. Without anything taking the energy it would probably destroy itself, but we think that just leaving it in place would be foolish in the extreme. We bite down on it and pull back, away from the realisation of sun-desires, away from the resolution and towards the source and

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Yes, best not to leave a doomsday device just laying around...

that-.

I-.

Ugh. Been a while-

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...Since he went full OLPhidian? Yes, and it was satisfying as hell, deus ex machina or not.

"YYYAAAAGHH!"

-since I've done-.

The cultist is on fire, because we just pulled a probe out of the sun! The-

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Oooh, stellar plasma super-heated Nth Metal thermal plume to the face. That's not gonna leave a mark, because he's already become physics.

Cold gun!

-metal people are fine, even if they are backing away, but the thanagarian…

His corpse collapses to the ground.

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I'm impressed there's anything left of him. Must have been fairly weak plasma heating, because even the surface of a red star runs between 3,500 and 5,000 degrees kelvin. That's a spicy package.

Alright. Schedule Mother of Mercy to fly through here and pick up his soul, and then speak to Lord Hades about his post-mortem confession. Unless-. No, Alstair is thaumically active, and he worshipped the Seven Devils. His soul might be claimed… Well, it's still worth having her fly by, anyway. I-.

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Eh, demon cultist, hardly worth worrying about unless you want to interrogate him post-mortem.

My ring shimmers.

Answer.

An… Insectoid head appears.

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Ah, the local Greenies, finally arriving. Just in time to run cleanup.

"Green Lantern Guarn to Orange Lantern. The solar changes appears to have ceased."

"Yeah, I got the machine that was doing it out. How do you want to handle the war fleets?"

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That statement alone would give most Lanterns pause for a second.

"Carefully."

"Carefully?" Hm. "Is that how Green Lantern Corps rules of engagement require, or what you think is best?"

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Given it could become a five-way furball, 'careful' is good.

"I lack the skill and power to fight two fleets of this size. If you are that strong, I am content to take your lead."

"Right then. I'll tell Guy and Jordan that you said that."

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Ah, Guarn hasn't really heard of OL before, eh? And his file would hardly list his full spread of feats.

I

step out, aiming to return to

Jade just as soon as I can.

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...Uh, the super-weapon? Or are you figuring you can retrieve it and the scientists once you check in with your partner?

She looks around from the sensor display screen. "The sun's almost back to normal."

"It'll have to make do with 'almost'."

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It should stabilise soon enough.

"Of course that means the war's back to normal."

I look pained. "Already?"

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Did you expect anything different? Too much hate rolled up between Thanagar and Alstair...

"And the local Green Lantern finally showed up."

"Right." I rub my forehead with my right hand. "Okay. Clearly, ignoring the situation with Alstair and Thanagar isn't achieving the result I want."

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Ah, they've achieved the level of 'You made me come over there.'

She looks up at me. "So what are you going to do?"

"Stop it. I'm going to stop it."

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And I don't think Hyathis or the Thanagarian High Command are going to enjoy the process...

Looks like OL has finally been pushed to the point he'll actually do something about this little feud. My guess is he'll be flying down to Altair, grabbing Hyathis by the scruff of the neck then repeating the process for the High Mor. Then it's a matter of sitting them down and telling them to sort their shit out properly...

 

[Vaermina]

8th September 2013
11:08 GMT

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You just broke your own Nth Metal rules to have Orange Lantern pull the weapon out of the star.

 

[MagnumForce]

Hehe, sizeable fish called in bigger fish, mid-sizef fish flees in terror.

 

[BR549]

Looks like OL has finally been pushed to the point he'll actually do something about this little feud. My guess is he'll be flying down to Altair, grabbing Hyathis by the scruff of the neck then repeating the process for the High Mor. Then it's a matter of sitting them down and telling them to sort their shit out properly...

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"Congratulations. Peace in this system has moved to the top of the list of things that I want. And when something is at the top of that list, I can do many things to achieve it. Like maintain the orange construct meeting room with no doors that the two of you are stuck in until you sort this nonsense out."

 

[Darko]

You just broke your own Nth Metal rules to have Orange Lantern pull the weapon out of the star.

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When you have the power of a cosmic being at your disposal, the previous rules of the universe start becoming suggestions.

Heck, the first time Paul merged with the Ophidian he actually created Nth Metal, so he does have previous history of being able to manipulate it.

 

[ziggrrauglurr]

so what is the probe thing ?

is that the Sun Eater Paul was thinking about at the start or it is something else in DC that also do Sun shenanigan

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It's the device the metalloid people and the cultists sent to end the sun. Even though OL severed the connection with the devil, it's still dangerous. He brought it to him with the power of The Ophidian, and, after focusing on a battle at the level of gods and devils, it's pretty normal to forget there where weak biological beings that get easily damaged with a little warmth, right next to our younger half

 

[Mr Zoat]

so what is the probe thing ?

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It's a device that Mosteel cooperating with the Seven Devil cults to build which drained energy out of Antares.

is that the Sun Eater Paul was thinking about at the start or it is something else in DC that also do Sun shenanigan

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No. Sun eaters are weapon creatures created by the Controllers to eat suns.

That should say 'built'.

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"tries"

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Thank you, corrected.

Oooh, stellar plasma to the face. That's not gonna leave a mark, because he's already become physics.

I'm impressed there's anything left of him. Must have been fairly weak plasma, because even the surface of a red star runs between 3,500 and 5,000 degrees kelvin.

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Oh, no, that was radiated heat.

 

[Chaoswind]

You just broke your own Nth Metal rules to have Orange Lantern pull the weapon out of the star.

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The ophidian brute forced Nth Metal synchronized to a human-Kriptonian-homunculus hybrid. Doing this? That was literally nothing.

I am certain @Mr Zoat will give some minor consequences for Paul calling big snake to make sure the ability comes with a cost, we already know calling best snake would reduce the overall performance of most Rockie Orange Lanterns by a few percentages, so getting notified that such reduction may have resulted in a neophyte having to retreat from a fight and failing a mission would be enough to remind the reader base why Paul doesn't solve most problems by calling snek.

 

[WereDragon]

8th September 2013
11:08 GMT

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There is a time for finesse and gentle nudges. And there is also a time to remind the universe where you are on the ascending scale of bigger fish.

Wonder how visible the Ophidian was to people in system. Either physically or magically.

 

[Neruz]

The ophidian brute forced Nth Metal synchronized to a human-Kriptonian-homunculus hybrid. Doing this? That was literally nothing.

I am certain @Mr Zoat will give some minor consequences for Paul calling big snake to make sure the ability comes with a cost, we already know calling best snake would reduce the overall performance of most Rockie Orange Lanterns by a few percentages, so getting notified that such reduction may have resulted in a neophyte having to retreat from a fight and failing a mission would be enough to remind the reader base why Paul doesn't solve most problems by calling snek.

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I mean the other obvious reason why he doesn't solve most problems with snek is because calling on that half of his being tends to result in a degree of subsumption of his human self, which can produce unpredictable and undesirable results. (See all previous times he's called on snek.)

In this instance the undesirable result was the accidental killing of the cultist, which is unfortunate because its now unlikely he'll be able to get any further info out of said cultist. Fortunately as undesirable results go its a pretty minor one, but thats the thing about calling on snek; you never know exactly what snek will overlook or misinterpret due to its alien nature.

Calling on snek unnecessarily is just asking for unforeseen consequences.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Wonder how visible the Ophidian was to people in system. Either physically or magically.

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They were in a star, so not very. A lot of people probably felt a bit weird, but that's about it.

 

[Signaller]

Huh, the tone of this one is quite different to other entries written from the Ophidian's perspective. The older/newer parts language hasn't been used before. Not discounting others' comments about how this will temporarily impact the whole OLC, but I'm specifically wondering about Illustres Xor.