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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Then I'm guessing he's going to lead them in their own version of the Flashpoint conquest.
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The Atlantians were using circuit stamping tech to make the physical hardware that they then enchanted...I assume that Lex's Paper products require a sorcerer of some type to energies the stamps in bulk during production, but it is pointed out that while Minor magic can stop a power ring, it won't last very long against someone that actually does magic and can directly effect it. Like the Sorcerer Tim here.
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So just a short question. Can people with Aphantasia create constructs with a power ring? Aphantasia is the inability to create mental images in your mind. You need to be able to visualize constructs to create them right?
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They wouldn't be able to create constructs with a green ring, certainly. I imagine it just wouldn't occur to them to try with other colours, even if the AI would manage most of it.
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September 23rd, 2013
00:57 UTC
"Kuu kuu. Kuu kuu."
Hunter nods at bird
The pigeon talks at great length
I don't understand
Olange Lanteln was wrong. Thinking in Engrish isn't that hald.
Heh.
"Okay. Thank you." Hunter holds out a bread crust to the pigeon, which takes it and then flies away.
"Did you just talk to the pigeon?"
He looks puzzled. As if he cannot understand why someone would be sceptical. "You saw me talk to the pigeon."
"It could have been a robot."
"If I had a toy robot I could probably bring it to life. But I wouldn't know how to build a pigeon robot."
I don't actually think it was a robot. But I don't understand why it wasn't behaving like a pigeon.
"Is it your familiar?"
"A pigeon? No. They're pretty dirty. And if you kill a wizard's familiar they can die from the feedback."
"Pigeon brains are not complex enough to communicate with humans in that way."
"I didn't know that."
Could he do it because he didn't know it was impossible? Sometimes… Not having assumptions is useful, because you can try new approaches to things that other people have already failed at. But that is not because an impossible thing has become possible; it is because you do something that is possible.
"Can you tell me how that magic works?"
He shrugs. Perhaps he does not know, because he magic is instinctual? Or perhaps he has never had to explain it to anyone.
"I think… It's because the pigeons do see everything. But it's my magic that lets them turn that data into useful information. I think that they've been acting differently since I started using them like this, so I think that they keep something from what I do to them."
"You are turning them from a magic information network to an actual information network? You are making them intelligent?"
He looks thoughtful. "I'm not sure. They might just be acting differently because the magic makes them remember that I want them to act differently."
That would make more sense. But just because it makes sense, that doesn't mean that it's true. Perhaps… Perhaps they are merely vessels for his magic, and he just perceives the information as coming from the birds?
"Did they find any criminals?"
"Ah… Sort of. There isn't anyone committing crimes in the area, but there are some suspicious looking people heading towards us."
"Pigeons can decide that someone looks suspicious?"
"They aren't moving right, or doing human… Things. Pigeons notice that. They're also all dressed the same."
"Drugs?"
Hunter shakes his head. "The pigeons don't think so. Not a lot of drugs around here."
"Where are they?"
He points northwards. "Down the road, turn left."
I nod, and take a small U.F.O. drone out of one of my pouches and press the big red button on top to activate it. It flies out of my hand and heads in the direction Hunter gave me.
"Is that armed?"
"Sort of. It can use the same anti-gravity device that lets it fly to trap one person in a null gravity field. I am sending it because I want something that is not a pigeon to look at our targets."
Hunter smiles. "They're very reliable pigeons, I'll have you know."
"Did the pigeons tell you where they're going?"
"Yes. Towards us."
"Are they armed?"
He holds up his right hand in a 'stop' gesture. "Pigeons have limits."
I pull out an-.
"Why does that look like an Etch A Sketch?"
"I used to make my inventions look like toys so that no one would realise what they were. Now I do it out of habit." I turn the dials so that the screen shows what the U.F.Drone is seeing. "May I ask you a question?"
"You just did." Huh? "Yes."
"Why do you call yourself 'Hunter'? Should your hero name not be different to your actual name?"
He shakes his head. "I don't really care about pretending to be someone else. Neither of us wear masks. And if I really need to look like someone else, I can do that with magic."
I nod. I could make a disguise for myself, but by the time I decided that I was a superhero, my face was already well known in Japan. "I have another question."
"I think that's a tautology." Huh? "What is it?"
"Why do you have a 'Harry Potter Lookalike Lifetime Achievement Award'?"
He closes his eyes, and breathes in slowly. "I'd rather not talk about it."
"If you-." Ah, my drone is in position. I twist a knob… "The drone's metallurgy scanner says that they are robots. Does someone in Britain make human-like robots?"
"Mister Dolmann used to. But there's no reason for them to be here. Do they have any weapons?"
"No guns. Knives."
"Oh good. That's illegal in Britain, so we can arrest them and then phone the police."
I nod, and draw my ray gun. We should be able to-.
Hunter shakes his head, and walks towards an old and rusty skip. "Don't bother with that. Have your drone pick one up. I'll deal with the rest."
I nod, and send the command. "How?"
He taps the skip with his knuckles. "Come out. I've got a job for you."
A small… Imp? Goblin? Some sort of creature, appears, poking its head out of the skip. "What?"
"There's some metal men coming this way. If you stop them, you can keep their arms and legs."
The creature grins-. Ooh, showing a broad mouth full of sharp teeth. "We can do that. Come on, everyone!"
The creature jumps out, followed by another, and then another, and then-.
I take a few steps back as the swarm runs down the street. "What are they?"
"Rust gremlins." He nods as he watches them go. "I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them if I was a robot."
What..? Comes next? In Japan I have contacts in the police, but I do not have that here and magicians are usually less involved in such matters. "Will the police know what to do with robots?"
"Then we can hand them over to the Justice League, I should think. Wasn't that the whole point of joining up?"
00:57 UTC
"Kuu kuu. Kuu kuu."
Hunter nods at bird
The pigeon talks at great length
I don't understand
Olange Lanteln was wrong. Thinking in Engrish isn't that hald.
Heh.
"Okay. Thank you." Hunter holds out a bread crust to the pigeon, which takes it and then flies away.
"Did you just talk to the pigeon?"
He looks puzzled. As if he cannot understand why someone would be sceptical. "You saw me talk to the pigeon."
"It could have been a robot."
"If I had a toy robot I could probably bring it to life. But I wouldn't know how to build a pigeon robot."
I don't actually think it was a robot. But I don't understand why it wasn't behaving like a pigeon.
"Is it your familiar?"
"A pigeon? No. They're pretty dirty. And if you kill a wizard's familiar they can die from the feedback."
"Pigeon brains are not complex enough to communicate with humans in that way."
"I didn't know that."
Could he do it because he didn't know it was impossible? Sometimes… Not having assumptions is useful, because you can try new approaches to things that other people have already failed at. But that is not because an impossible thing has become possible; it is because you do something that is possible.
"Can you tell me how that magic works?"
He shrugs. Perhaps he does not know, because he magic is instinctual? Or perhaps he has never had to explain it to anyone.
"I think… It's because the pigeons do see everything. But it's my magic that lets them turn that data into useful information. I think that they've been acting differently since I started using them like this, so I think that they keep something from what I do to them."
"You are turning them from a magic information network to an actual information network? You are making them intelligent?"
He looks thoughtful. "I'm not sure. They might just be acting differently because the magic makes them remember that I want them to act differently."
That would make more sense. But just because it makes sense, that doesn't mean that it's true. Perhaps… Perhaps they are merely vessels for his magic, and he just perceives the information as coming from the birds?
"Did they find any criminals?"
"Ah… Sort of. There isn't anyone committing crimes in the area, but there are some suspicious looking people heading towards us."
"Pigeons can decide that someone looks suspicious?"
"They aren't moving right, or doing human… Things. Pigeons notice that. They're also all dressed the same."
"Drugs?"
Hunter shakes his head. "The pigeons don't think so. Not a lot of drugs around here."
"Where are they?"
He points northwards. "Down the road, turn left."
I nod, and take a small U.F.O. drone out of one of my pouches and press the big red button on top to activate it. It flies out of my hand and heads in the direction Hunter gave me.
"Is that armed?"
"Sort of. It can use the same anti-gravity device that lets it fly to trap one person in a null gravity field. I am sending it because I want something that is not a pigeon to look at our targets."
Hunter smiles. "They're very reliable pigeons, I'll have you know."
"Did the pigeons tell you where they're going?"
"Yes. Towards us."
"Are they armed?"
He holds up his right hand in a 'stop' gesture. "Pigeons have limits."
I pull out an-.
"Why does that look like an Etch A Sketch?"
"I used to make my inventions look like toys so that no one would realise what they were. Now I do it out of habit." I turn the dials so that the screen shows what the U.F.Drone is seeing. "May I ask you a question?"
"You just did." Huh? "Yes."
"Why do you call yourself 'Hunter'? Should your hero name not be different to your actual name?"
He shakes his head. "I don't really care about pretending to be someone else. Neither of us wear masks. And if I really need to look like someone else, I can do that with magic."
I nod. I could make a disguise for myself, but by the time I decided that I was a superhero, my face was already well known in Japan. "I have another question."
"I think that's a tautology." Huh? "What is it?"
"Why do you have a 'Harry Potter Lookalike Lifetime Achievement Award'?"
He closes his eyes, and breathes in slowly. "I'd rather not talk about it."
"If you-." Ah, my drone is in position. I twist a knob… "The drone's metallurgy scanner says that they are robots. Does someone in Britain make human-like robots?"
"Mister Dolmann used to. But there's no reason for them to be here. Do they have any weapons?"
"No guns. Knives."
"Oh good. That's illegal in Britain, so we can arrest them and then phone the police."
I nod, and draw my ray gun. We should be able to-.
Hunter shakes his head, and walks towards an old and rusty skip. "Don't bother with that. Have your drone pick one up. I'll deal with the rest."
I nod, and send the command. "How?"
He taps the skip with his knuckles. "Come out. I've got a job for you."
A small… Imp? Goblin? Some sort of creature, appears, poking its head out of the skip. "What?"
"There's some metal men coming this way. If you stop them, you can keep their arms and legs."
The creature grins-. Ooh, showing a broad mouth full of sharp teeth. "We can do that. Come on, everyone!"
The creature jumps out, followed by another, and then another, and then-.
I take a few steps back as the swarm runs down the street. "What are they?"
"Rust gremlins." He nods as he watches them go. "I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them if I was a robot."
What..? Comes next? In Japan I have contacts in the police, but I do not have that here and magicians are usually less involved in such matters. "Will the police know what to do with robots?"
"Then we can hand them over to the Justice League, I should think. Wasn't that the whole point of joining up?"
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When in doubt, set your neighborhood metal pickers upon your foe. The benefit of being polite.
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Very impressive, Hiro. Pleasant little haiku. I bet he thought Tim was kidding when he said 'Stool Pigeon' earlier. Let's hope the 'flying rats' have something useful for him, though.
Yet you still get the classic error of 'Ls to Rs' and vice versa. But that's mostly because Japanese doesn't have an 'L' sound as such. Closest they get is a soft 'eru' when translating loanwords with it..
Animal communication spells can take many forms. Sometimes, it involves making their sounds at them.
And the toy would be more like a golem than a robot.
I'm assuming he's thinking of it more like the D&D-and-related concept - an animal enhanced by magic through a mental bond.
Ravens come close, and some other Corvids.
And I doubt telling him it's not possible has suddenly blocked him from doing it again. Magic isn't that dumb.
Little of column A, little of column B. Maybe even a little of column C (Hiro lacking the background to understand the magical theory.)
Doubt that's what he means. More likely they watch humans more, knowing that if the special one will give them food if they can tell him something.
Like getting a sort of psychic upload of their visual memory and interpreting it? possible.
...That'll be the mookbots, then.
Ah, one thing they can't disguise: Body language. Too still at rest, to steady when moving, that sort of thing.
Joy of calling a quiet area home.
No rush, eh? If they're coming in, no need to go running off.
Given Hiro's capabilities, that's a good question to ask. Could be anything from a heat-ray to...
...A tractor beam. Helpful. And a camera too, of course.
'You' in general, or 'You' specifically, though? There's a distinct difference in purpose. But 'In specific' is the easiest assumption to take.
Not like they have firearm identification courses for the pigeons, you know?
I wonder if it's a monochrome screen or just a casing around a tablet?
That's an interesting detail. Wonder why? Bullies that would steal or break anything fancier-looking, maybe?
And it's not like he could call himself Merlin or the like, that would carry way too much baggage to those in the know.
Better than the original Toyman, who often operated through robotic doubles, some of which were not entirely human looking.
Heh, a nice shout-out to the resemblance.
That's Eric Dolmann, from the Albion storyline that provided Mr Zoat with most of his British superheroes. A similarly toy-themed inventor type.
Along with various other melee weapons.
I hope that's a stun-gun type weapon, Hiro.
Ah, magical creatures of Britain. Naturally Tim can command any or all of them.
Oooh, vicious. The mookbots are not in for a fun time.
I can understand his hesitation. Japan has its own impish mystical creatures, sometimes categorised as 'Bakemono', a subtype of Yokai.
What's left of them, anyway.
Well, the Rust Gremlins going to be eating well tonight, I would imagine. I mean, I assume they'll eat the metal, hence the name. A rather casually easy solution to the threat, of course. But when one of you can talk to birds and imps and the other has high-tech options, there's not much a few automata can do to you.
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Neat trick. Always slightly annoyed me that D&D had no spells that let you summon Rust Monsters.
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Thank you, corrected.@BartlettMagic said:
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Hunter's magic is pretty different from a lot of other magic in With This Ring. OL is always going on about organized, structured magic like the Atlanteans use that you can learn out of libraries and classrooms. It might have been more in the renegade timeline, but I recall someone dissing Circe for using instinctual "throw a lot of power at it" magic that can't accomplish as sophisticated an effect.
Still, I have noticed a theme with Hunter's magic. He asks animals, spirits, and objects to do stuff and they do it. Usually there's at least a little negotiation involved. Even when he trapped Toyman in the mirror, it was more like he asked the mirror to trap Toyman rather than sending Toyman to the mirror. Is that the effect you were going for Zoat, the "rules" of Hunter's magic, are that he needs two reference points, the thing he wants to happen and then the thing that is going to accomplish the thing he wants to happen?
This was so easy for the two of them they defeated the mookbots from down the street and without ever really interacting. Maybe Green Arrow should have come up with something harder.
Still, I have noticed a theme with Hunter's magic. He asks animals, spirits, and objects to do stuff and they do it. Usually there's at least a little negotiation involved. Even when he trapped Toyman in the mirror, it was more like he asked the mirror to trap Toyman rather than sending Toyman to the mirror. Is that the effect you were going for Zoat, the "rules" of Hunter's magic, are that he needs two reference points, the thing he wants to happen and then the thing that is going to accomplish the thing he wants to happen?
This was so easy for the two of them they defeated the mookbots from down the street and without ever really interacting. Maybe Green Arrow should have come up with something harder.
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