Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[Sveta08]

We have been promised DIRE CONSEQUENCES for failing to uphold that promise. That's a game-over level priority. I don't think anyone considers that an option. No need to tilt at windmills.

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You know that. I know that. Most people know that.
It is something I felt should be stressed all the same for those who did not know, or forgot.... Intentionally or not.

 

[Pittauro]

We have exactly enough bits that if we drop scrying for a Forge 6 reagent and just commit to spending the bits on making it, we can afford to send three people to ruin Hill's day.

Question is, what combination of Names? DoA + Mareinette + Biedde seems the most obvious, but we could also put Cherenkolt into Moth Mode and do DoA + Mareinette + Cherenkolt, or do something like DoA + Mareinette + Baldomare. Maximum sneakiness would be DoA + Biedde + Moth-Cherenkolt.

@OurLadyOfWires considering this is Velvet Hill we're talking about, and I assume Velvet has a bit more than a passing familiarity with the place she spent a considerable chunk of her life at, does that give us any particular advantage? Some insight on what hurdles might be present?

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Three is overkill.

As it's a short expedition, I'd send Axe for expedition and combat, and then either Mareinette for social challenges or Biedde for moth and combat.

Mareinette would be the best fit. It's also sending her to get "groceries" for the dinner, in a way. It fits.

Axe will probably dislike it, but... we're kinda short on APs.

I still would prefer to go for a criminal instead. but that requires some tinkering with the plan to fit as much stuff as we can...

But. For these basic things. People agree with, yes?

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I'd say so.

The doubts are on

DINNER DISH: Spoiled vs Hill (requires short expedition and prison) vs Criminal (requires scrying, prison and an action to capture the guy).

EDGE SACRAMENT: now (2 followers on AotL Edge) or delayed?

COVER YOUR BASES: +1 action (2 follower actions) or +2 actions (5 follower actions)

LVL 6 REAGENT: scry for it, or make one next turn (4 into 6)?

STEPPES: do, or do not?

STUDY: 2 or 3 actions?

EDGE 3 ARTIFACT: sell, or not? 200 bits could be useful.

WRONG KEYS: make, or ignore them for now? It's not that urgent anyway.

LOCATION FOR RITUALS: build one or search for one? Or give it up for now and hope for Canterlot Part 3 or something else?

These should be all the important things to establish

 

[Nevermort]

We have been promised DIRE CONSEQUENCES for failing to uphold that promise. That's a game-over level priority. I don't think anyone considers that an option. No need to tilt at windmills.



at a 400 point project I kind of want to just double-Lore the Bureau for turns 23 and 24. Getting a 3circle site is a perk we can get once our cult establishment is good enough at the Bureau. I don't think we're going to hit 400 points of investment sooner than we can hit 5/9 lores anyway: Cherenkolt is almost certainly spending his action next turn as an artifact to assist in expeditions.

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Weren't we told that we can talk more about doing rituals in Bureau when we get to like 5 lores or so. It could be done in few turns if we focus on it. Until then if we do summons in less than secure location who will report us and to who? Bureau is not a problem for us anymore. Father? Lol.

 

[Greymere]

STEPPES: do, or do not?

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there is no try

at a 400 point project I kind of want to just double-Lore the Bureau for turns 23 and 24. Getting a 3circle site is a perk we can get once our cult establishment is good enough at the Bureau. I don't think we're going to hit 400 points of investment sooner than we can hit 5/9 lores anyway: Cherenkolt is almost certainly spending his action next turn as an artifact to assist in expeditions.

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Ah, but you see! Take a look at what the building option uses.

--[] Actually, you will need a LOT more space. Dig under Jade's house, enough room for a 3 circle ritual. (Progress 0/400. Applies Martial and Forge knowledge.)

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Forge knowledge. Knowledge, not Application.

Meaning that even if Cherenkolt is in artifact form, we can still use his Forge levels for building. Because artifacts act like virtual Lore levels for knowledge checks.

Weren't we told that we can talk more about doing rituals in Bureau when we get to like 5 lores or so. It could be done in few turns if we focus on it. Until then if we do summons in less than secure location who will report us and to who? Bureau is not a problem for us anymore. Father? Lol.

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Also, if I recall correctly, that was about training the Bureau as a cadre, not if we can use it as a ritual site.

 

[OurLadyOfWires]

You guys know you can just "kidnap a random stranger" right? No need for a scrying ritual for that. It'll just be a random stranger.

Also, the roll table for "What happens if Soft Sweep's request is ignored" is ready. And I kinda wanna roll it now that it's done
But, sadly, that's you guys' call.

 

[Sveta08]

These should be all the important things to establish

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Alrighty.

Given that, I'll work on making a "Draft Framework" plan so people can see what we got spare.

Personally, for those things to discuss... I would argue for the Edge Sacrament this turn, and Two Study actions, and to sell the Edge 3 Artifact. We need those bits more than we need that niche potential bonus for someone else.

 

[ses]

Also, if I recall correctly, that was about training the Bureau as a cadre, not if we can use it as a ritual site.

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I asked about ritual site and got "same answer for the same reason" when he answered the question about the cadre. 3circle site is on the list of perks we gradually unlock as we teach the Lores.

And yes I want Axe to commit BURGLARY this turn no matter what we end up choosing to do with the rest of our priorities. Either against Hill or random rich ponies. We need bits!

You guys know you can just "kidnap a random stranger" right? No need for a scrying ritual for that. It'll just be a random stranger.

Also, the roll table for "What happens if Soft Sweep's request is ignored" is ready. And I kinda wanna roll it now that it's done
But, sadly, that's you guys' call.

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I am so curious what you put down for Natural 100

....and Natural 1. I'm absolutely certain that Game Over is a lot more than a 1% possibility so what could you have prepared that's worse on a nat1 specifically.

Also if we were willing to take "random stranger" we'd just do Spoiled instead and skip the need to build a prison. So it doesn't really add a fourth option between Spoiled/Hills/Vigilantism

 

[Sveta08]

Planning Framework

-[] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
-[] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
-[] [COMMISSIONER] Get your hoofs dirty. (Participate in the "Investigators" and "Constables" actions.)
-[] [DIRECTOR] Introduce another Lore to the Lunar Bureau. LANTERN


-[] [RARITY] ???
-[] [JADE] The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [FLUTTERSHY] ???
-[] [BALDOMARE] Channel an Influence. LANTERN
-[] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich and Filthy Rich
-[] [AXE] ???
-[] [AXE] ???
-[] [BIEDDE] ???
-[] [CHERENKOLT] ???
-[] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
-[] [SELENE] Reflections of the Tapestry: L7 Book
-[] [SELENE] ???
-[] [TORN RISEN] ???
-[] [SERVANTS] ???


Cover our Bases: +1 (Requires 2 Follower Actions)


VELVET ACTIONS
-[] [AOTL] ???
-[] [FORGE] The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [KNOCK] ???
-[] [GRAIL] Leash: ??? (Currently Available
-[] [SOCIAL] Soft Sweeps



-[] [RITUAL] Summon Cherenkolt. The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [STUDY]
-[] [STUDY]
-[] [ACTION] ???
-[] [ACTION] ???

Correct me if I'm wrong. I think that's all our actions and whatnot
Edit: Added AoTL

 

[DelightedOne]

Let's see

FOLLOWER ACTIONS
-[] Leash Cheerilee
-[] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
-[] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
-[] [COMMISSIONER] Get your hoofs dirty. (Participate in the "Investigators" and "Constables" actions.)
-[] [DIRECTOR] Introduce another Lore to the Lunar Bureau. LANTERN
-[] [BALDOMARE] Channel an Influence.(Lantern)
-[] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich and Filthy Rich
-[] [AXE] Channel a Knock Influence
-[] [AXE] Edge AotL
-[] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
-[] [SELENE] Scry for a Level 7 book for Baldomare.
-[] Actually, you will need a LOT more space. Dig under Jade's house, enough room for a 3 circle ritual. (Progress 0/400. Applies Martial and Forge knowledge.)
-[] Two extra Velvet actions! (Costs 5 follower actions)


VELVET ACTIONS
-[] [AOTL] Edge
-[] [FORGE] Forge 2 Reagent(Already done)
-[] [KNOCK] Shattered Starways
-[] [SOCIAL] Soft Sweeps

-[] [RITUAL] Summon Cherenkolt(Already done)
-[] [STUDY] Moth 5 book and Manehattan book
-[] [STUDY] Lantern 4 artifact and Winter 4 Artifact
-[] [STUDY] A Memory of the Path
-[] [ACTION] Edge Sacrament
-[] [ACTION] Uncle Steppes FO

I... think that is it for me.

 

[spiderhellian]

We'll get a win against the Changelings with the Assault.

We don't need to send the investigators after more Changelings! Windy is there and a pressing threat!

 

[Sveta08]

We'll get a win against the Changelings with the Assault.

We don't need to send the investigators after more Changelings! Windy is there and a pressing threat!

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I don't know about that one.
Windy is a potential unknown. But, out Cult of the Bureau is... Two guys right now. If we have more there, I'd say maybe that's a good potential use of the Bureau. Until then, I'd say it's probably better to just Scry for him if we want to find him.

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

I would want 2-3 action spend on finding short expeditions, we need income and expeditions are the way to make money.

 

[DelightedOne]

Windy is there and a pressing threat!

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How?

No, seriously, how? He is a mortal, we have 5 Names. I would be more worried about the Name that is in the Wake.

 

[ses]

I don't know about that one.
Windy is a potential unknown. But, out Cult of the Bureau is... Two guys right now. If we have more there, I'd say maybe that's a good potential use of the Bureau. Until then, I'd say it's probably better to just Scry for him if we want to find him.

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We'll get a win against the Changelings with the Assault.

We don't need to send the investigators after more Changelings! Windy is there and a pressing threat!

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Selene can use her Knock realization to spy on him, no bits needed. Detectives action with literally nothing to go on seems like a waste of their effort compared to nipping the Dodge Junction hive in the bud before it metastasizes again. Getting on top of it now means breathing room for Bureau to pursue our objectives later.

Just sending the Constables after Tall Tale isn't a win, that's "Below Expectations". We delayed it by two months and they spread to at least one other location because of it.

Honestly I think spying on Windy isn't even like, a great use of resources.

 

[spiderhellian]

Selene can use her Knock realization to spy on him, no bits needed. Detectives action with literally nothing to go on seems like a waste of their effort compared to nipping the Dodge Junction hive in the bud before it metastasizes again. Getting on top of it now means breathing room for Bureau to pursue our objectives later.

Just sending the Constables after Tall Tale isn't a win, that's "Below Expectations". We delayed it by two months and they spread to at least one other location because of it.

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I think this is fundamentally not accurate to Changelings in Equestrian.

They already metastasized! It happened during the Months their Queen was in control of the kingdom!

They've got lots of outposts and we can play whackamole.

But Windy is there. He's the most lore steeped Pony in Equestria after ourselves. He's been working on a plan for a year, uncontested. HE CAN SUMMON WINDIGOS, and we just saw how much of a threat they are. And that's to say nothing of the WINTER NAME on the loose!

Yes, we can spy on his dreams. We can also send Equestria's best investigators at him.

 

[Pittauro]

Forge knowledge. Knowledge, not Application.

Meaning that even if Cherenkolt is in artifact form, we can still use his Forge levels for building. Because artifacts act like virtual Lore levels for knowledge checks.

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That's true, though it's also giving up a +90 roll from Cherenkov (in exchange for +60 to... can multiple ponies use the same artifact? Presumably yes)

You guys know you can just "kidnap a random stranger" right? No need for a scrying ritual for that. It'll just be a random stranger.

Also, the roll table for "What happens if Soft Sweep's request is ignored" is ready. And I kinda wanna roll it now that it's done
But, sadly, that's you guys' call.

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Statistically speaking, a random stranger is going to be a better person than Spoiled Rich, to be fair.

Unless we already have some documents from the Bureau about "suspected criminals" we could take?

Alrighty.

Given that, I'll work on making a "Draft Framework" plan so people can see what we got spare.

Personally, for those things to discuss... I would argue for the Edge Sacrament this turn, and Two Study actions, and to sell the Edge 3 Artifact. We need those bits more than we need that niche potential bonus for someone else.

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Agreed on (at least) two study actions and selling Edge 3.

If we sell Edge 3, then it's not as urgent to study the lower rank artifacts. We can let Jade do it for us in the next few turns I suppose.

as for Edge Sacrament... IDEALLY we do it. Some plans might have to give it up to free enough actions (from removing the need for 2 follower AotL on Edge) for cover your bases that would give Velvet one more action.

Planning Framework

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Appreciated.

The one thing potentially missing from the "basically sure things" is the applied leash to Filthy Rich OR Cherilee for an extra follower action.

 

[Sveta08]

Alrighty. The bones up above are a useful template thing for whomever. But for me, I've already said. I'm of the mind that we need either Sacraments each turn, or something overwhelmingly worthwhile. This turn, my eyes are on the Edge Sacrament.

Draft Plan: Edge Sacrament

Spoiler

-[] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
-[] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
-[] [COMMISSIONER] Get your hoofs dirty. (Participate in the "Investigators" and "Constables" actions.)
-[] [DIRECTOR] Introduce another Lore to the Lunar Bureau. LANTERN

-[] [RARITY] ???
-[] [JADE] The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [FLUTTERSHY] AoTL: EDGE
-[] [BALDOMARE] Channel an Influence. LANTERN
-[] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich and Filthy Rich
-[] [AXE] ???
-[] [AXE] ???
-[] [BIEDDE] Channel an Influence. EDGE
-[] [CHERENKOLT] ???
-[] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
-[] [SELENE] Reflections of the Tapestry: L7 Book
-[] [SELENE] ???
-[] [TORN RISEN] AoLT: Edge
-[] [SERVANTS] ???

Cover our Bases: +1 (Requires 2 Follower Actions)

VELVET ACTIONS
-[] [AOTL] EDGE
-[] [FORGE] The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [KNOCK] ???
-[] [GRAIL] Leash: ??? (Currently Available
-[] [SOCIAL] Soft Sweeps

-[] [RITUAL] Summon Cherenkolt. The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [SACRAMENT] Edge Sacrament
-[] [STUDY]
-[] [STUDY]
-[] [ACTION] ???

Again, there are unplanned spots in the middle of it. This is what I would like, but the rest is fairly flexible in my eyes

However, given we are also looking (or at least I am) at the Grail Sacrament, and would rather not use Spoiled for that? And that I am, admittedly, more curious about the Forge Sacraments than I usually let on... You have this draft too.

Draft Plan: Making Knives and Dining Rooms

Spoiler

-[] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
-[] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
-[] [COMMISSIONER] Get your hoofs dirty. (Participate in the "Investigators" and "Constables" actions.)
-[] [DIRECTOR] Introduce another Lore to the Lunar Bureau. LANTERN

-[] [RARITY] ???
-[] [JADE] The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [FLUTTERSHY] AoTL: EDGE
-[] [BALDOMARE] Channel an Influence. LANTERN
-[] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich and Filthy Rich
-[] [AXE] ???
-[] [AXE] ???
-[] [BIEDDE] Channel an Influence. EDGE
-[] [CHERENKOLT] Forge Lesson
-[] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
-[] [SELENE] Reflections of the Tapestry: L7 Book
-[] [SELENE] ???
-[] [TORN RISEN] AoTL: Edge
-[] [SERVANTS] ???
-[] [CHEERILEE] ???

Cover our Bases: +1 (Requires 2 Follower Actions)
You might need a place to… "store" your enemies. Alive. Dig a small prison under her house (2 Follower Actions)


VELVET ACTIONS
-[] [AOTL] EDGE
-[] [FORGE] The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [KNOCK] ???
-[] [GRAIL] Leash: Cheerilee
-[] [SOCIAL] Soft Sweeps

-[] [RITUAL] Summon Cherenkolt. The Past has consumed the Present: Unavailable
-[] [SACRAMENT] Edge Sacrament
-[] [STUDY]
-[] [STUDY]
-[] [ACTION] ???

This is... A much thinner plan, admittedly. It only leaves 2 Follower Actions spare, and one Velvet action, along with her Knock Realization.

And while I might personally like to send out those followers to kidnap Velvet Hills, that would likely be Axe and/or Selene, and without one or the other, I'm not sure we would make the prison on time for him. Add in to the fact that I personally find the personal Forge Sacrament more interesting, it works? Like, you could pop out Cherenkolt's lesson to make him build the prison (fitting for an unloved son to create the cage of an unloving father) we couldn't use our actions next turn on the Forge Sacrament in that case.

So, I'm a little unsure on that part. But the rest, I'm cozy with.

 

[Greymere]

That's true, though it's also giving up a +90 roll from Cherenkov (in exchange for +60 to... can multiple ponies use the same artifact? Presumably yes)

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Not necessarily. If one of the Names uses him, it's still a +90 bonus total. The main difference is the lack of reroll.

 

[ses]

Third study action gives +3 Moth and +2 Knock to an expedition that will need to make high rolls in both of those to avoid suspicion. I really don't think we should do the duel this turn. We can do it after we've done Personal Forge Sacrament and can kick his ass via the power of drugs without burning all our follower AP.

Bureau: Dodge City/Tall Tale/Hoofs Dirty/Lantern
Selene: Scry Book/Spy on Windy/Soothe
Axe: Assault/Burglary
Baldomare: Lantern Influence
Mareinette: Honored Guest(Spoiled)/Assault
Biedde: Edge Influence/Assault
Cherenkolt: Build a Prison
Jade: LOCKED
Rarity: Career
Comet Feet/Filthy: Expedition search
Risen/Servants: Bases

Bleh, Edge sacrament is doable by cutting teaching Rarity and the two expedition searches for the Aotls and Velvet AP. I don't like it because we're likely to double commission and this is our last chance for a while to upgrade her income.

@Sveta08 don't forget the Risen can provide AotL. Servants/Filthy on Bases means that the Risen can do the AotL alongside Comet. Honestly kind of considering putting Comet on graverobbing now and doing double Risen edge aotl if the thread commits to sacrament. I want to bellyache about suspicion risks but Comet has done it before and absolutely not a peep came of it. And Risen are actually useful for follower granted AotLs

 

[Sveta08]

@Sveta08 don't forget the Risen can provide AotL

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I had forgotten that fact, thank you! I have updated my drafts to reflect the fact.

But, I still do not think teaching Rarity in exchange for the Edge Sacrament is a worthwhile tradeoff. We quite frankly don't know what the benefit of the Edge Sacrament will be, and while raising Rarity's lores may make more bits... We also don't know by how much. It could be 30, it could be 5.

I am comfortable, happy even to raise Rarity's lores. It's always a delight. But not at the cost of a Sacrament.
I don't know which is more useful, the third Study Action, or Rarity training. But... Yeah

 

[ses]

Honestly warming up to Filthy/Servants bases Comet graverob Risen double AotL. RIP Rarity's lore levels. I'm still overall down on a Sacrament attempt but it's still pretty close even when I'm pessimistic. So might as well roll the dice.

I just don't want to compromise on the third Study

 

[Sveta08]

Honestly warming up to Filthy/Servants bases Comet graverob Risen double AotL. RIP Rarity's lore levels. I'm still overall down on a Sacrament attempt but it's still pretty close even when I'm pessimistic. So might as well roll the dice.

I just don't want to compromise on the third Study

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Reasonable.
I, because you made me curious, am pulling up info! Namely, how much Rarity made us each turn, to see how much we might expect to make in return.

 

[Shaper47]

[] Plan Prep for Moth and Grail Sacraments while finally getting our SH Sacrament

-[] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
-[] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
-[] [COMMISSIONER] Spend time with Cadence
-[] [DIRECTOR] Lantern

-[] [RARITY] Focus on her work. (Guarantees she will "succeed" on her career roll)
-[] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich
-[] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson x 2
-[] [CHERENKOLT] Ask for a Forge lesson
-[] [SELENE] Soothe the night
-[] [SELENE] Get the Silver Key from Axe (Knock Sacrament)
-[] [BALDOMARE] SH Sacrament

-[] Leash Filithy Rich
-[] One extra Velvet action! (Costs 2 follower actions)
-[] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
-[] You might need a place to… "store" your enemies. Alive. Dig a small prison under her house.
-[] You would like for somepony to search for books…
--[] In Ponyville, and its… great assortments of libraries? (HEART, FORGE)
-[] Aotl lantern x 2

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

13 follower actions. 14 with Filthy Rich leashed, I suppose (and damn, we went from "No Leash it's evil!" to "we need APs so much...")...

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Well I'M certainly going to oppose Leashing someone for simple convenience.

Also, instead of contorting our Follower Phase into some three-Name assault on a mortal pony, have you all considered just telling Biedde to just go nab a foal peddler? He kind of has a religious duty to go after such persons anyways.

Also I hate you Glory. How dare you detract from Silky's Cute-ceneara. Awful overrated beach ball of bleaching light...

 

[Pittauro]

Well I'M certainly going to oppose Leashing someone for simple convenience.

Also, instead of contorting our Follower Phase into some three-Name assault on a mortal pony, have you all considered just telling Biedde to just go nab a foal peddler? He kind of has a religious duty to go after such persons anyways.

Also I hate you Glory. How dare you detract from Silky's Cute-ceneara. Awful overrated beach ball of bleaching light...

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Didn't we already do it to Filthy last turn? I'm checking now and I don't see it, but I was so sure...

As for Biedde... I think if we send him like that he's likely to get a random person. I'd have preferred to scry for someone truly BAD, but I suppose we can just tell him to get us a criminal?

...hopefully he won't bring us, say, just a pickpocketer.

 

[LieutenantSpirit]

Didn't we already do it to Filthy last turn? I'm checking now and I don't see it, but I was so sure...

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We did not leash Filthy. Votes swung the other way due to leashing him being an inherently amoral and selfish action. Despite all of the "evil" she has done, Velvet has always at least tried to be "good." For me, personally, I felt that the leash was too far opposed to how she stood as a character.

 

[Pittauro]

We did not leash Filthy. Votes swung the other way due to leashing him being an inherently amoral and selfish action. Despite all of the "evil" she has done, Velvet has always at least tried to be "good." For me, personally, I felt that the leash was too far opposed to how she stood as a character.

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oh, that's fine then.

I was basically going "well, we did it once, no point in not doing it now".

If Velvet STILL hasn't sunk that low though, that's different.

At least if we're not going for Spoiled Sacrifice. That feels worse to Filthy than mind-controlling him into doing us a favour

 

[ses]

Reasonable.
I, because you made me curious, am pulling up info! Namely, how much Rarity made us each turn, to see how much we might expect to make in return.

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From memory off the top of my head she gained about 10 bits/turn. And since Grail 4 gives her the reroll in addition to +2 lore levels compared to Disciple's +3 lore levels, I figure it'll be about another 10 bits/turn on top of another 10ish bits per commission.

Well I'M certainly going to oppose Leashing someone for simple convenience.

Also, instead of contorting our Follower Phase into some three-Name assault on a mortal pony, have you all considered just telling Biedde to just go nab a foal peddler? He kind of has a religious duty to go after such persons anyways.

Also I hate you Glory. How dare you detract from Silky's Cute-ceneara. Awful overrated beach ball of bleaching light...

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I will fully admit that I have been blinded by how much loot Copper exploded into when we Name bombed her. I expect assaulting Hills to turn a profit.

I'm fine leashing Filthy but I'm not super attached to it or anything. I'd happily vote for a compromise plan that didn't leash him as long as we got the invitation to dinner... but I don't think there's anyone to compromise with? I don't think there's any kind of scenario where an invitation to dinner+leash vote would fail to gain majority but an invitation with no leash would. And as much as we've been talking about bringing 3 attentions to the duel, two is honestly fine. I'd certainly take a burglary for 40ish bits over the third attention, that's not even close to being competitive since the 3rd attention is only about a 5% odds shift. So it's basically "Leash filthy or take a 5% odds hit on Edge sacrament"

Though of course graverobbing isn't guaranteed and the difference between 1 attention and 2 IS a big deal... so we might not want to risk a comet graverob and instead do comet+risen aotls. But then leashing filthy is actually competing against an AotL this turn AND a risen action next turn.

EDIT: Even if graverob is only a 75% success rate for Comet (Laplace's rule of succession, assuming that Winter realization was a special case we've had a Biedde success on turn 21 and a Comet success during [The Board is Set]), 25% failure chance multiplied by the odds shift of losing the 2nd attention plus the odds shift of the 3rd attention, leashing filthy is something like 8ish percent odds on the Biedde duel? We'd commit to the graverob regardless I think.

Of course we could skip Edge sacrament and teach Rarity instead for zero risk, and we Risen/Servants bases plus a Lantern attention or something from the graverob'd risen.

 

[Sveta08]

Got it! Just took a minute.

Rarity Income: A History.

Turn 22: 42
Turn 21: 53
Turn 20: 45
Turn 19: 55
Turn 18: 56
Turn 17: 39
Turn 16: 40
Turn 15: 32
Turn 14: -
Turn 13: 37
Turn 12: 35
Turn 11: 111
Turn 10 - Witheld until turn 11

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Didn't we already do it to Filthy last turn? I'm checking now and I don't see it, but I was so sure...

As for Biedde... I think if we send him like that he's likely to get a random person. I'd have preferred to scry for someone truly BAD, but I suppose we can just tell him to get us a criminal?

...hopefully he won't bring us, say, just a pickpocketer.

Click to shrink...

Do not use generalities when speaking to a creature of the Colonel. Be specific. Do not ask for a criminal if you want a serial killer or a child trafficker. Ask for a serial killer or a child trafficker. Be direct and be explicit.