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Certainly if Highfather can reverse a transformation to a construct, it may well be within Darkseid's capabilities.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Certainly if Highfather can reverse a transformation to a construct, it may well be within Darkseid's capabilities.
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It is.
Finality Man had the Omega Effect and he was able to turn one of Paul's assimilated constructs into a human.
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lol, satanus was a powerful demon lord for centuries at the least.
Now he's powerless in prison somewhere on a broken earth. Just put him next to savage and we'll have a sit com
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2nd August 2013
00:04 GMT
"So you lied to me?"
He chuffs. "You were holding my client hostage. I needed to give you a believable lie to try and calm you down."
"Which isn't unreasonable, but does give you a bit of a credibility gap. Particularly when telling me that a member of my species who isn't on Daxam any more is more to blame for what happened than your client."
"Oh, she did make that argument; that our defences were inadequate. That was part of why we were more… Accommodating than usual. We could have used a sunstone and destroyed his ship, but he was… Charismatic. Reasonable. And we needed something. And we might have been able to deactivate the Eradicator Program, but… Culturally, we trust what's in the reliquary. We know it's not perfect; that it's technology we don't really understand and that it won't last forever. But it's…"
"A series of silver bullets for solving your problems."
"I… Don't know the reference..?"
"There's a type of… Mutagenic virus on Earth. One of the things it does is allow the host to regenerate from any nonfatal injury… Unless it was inflicted with silver. As such, the term 'silver bullet' has come to mean 'specific, highly effective solution to a particular problem'."
"I see. Yes, that's it. Nearly. They're not that specific, but… Yes. The idea that they just won't work doesn't occur to us. And I suppose… Technically, they didn't. If we'd been willing to endure the Eradicator Program, Sodam Yat would be here."
"I doubt it."
"We didn't guard the reliquary where the Eradicator Program was ensconced. We could have done; it would have tolerated us as long as we didn't get close enough to threaten it. If we had, your infiltration team wouldn't have been able to destroy it."
"That would have made things more difficult. So, alright, he activated the Eradicator Program-. Did he know that it was here, or did he learn about that from you?"
"He was interested in robotics and artificial intelligence. I'm not.. sure if he heard about the Eradicator Program from one of us or not. It.. could be either way."
"What happened after he turned it on?"
"It activated a group of Eradicator androids and detained him and his guard. He told it of the fate of Krypton and offered to bring a kryptonian to it. It… Said that we were kryptonians and so it had no need for more, particularly if they were… Contaminated."
His eyes dip, and he takes a deep breath.
"Van-Dal said that we weren't pure kryptonians either. That's when the Eradicator Program scanned us in… Detail."
I suppose that would exacerbate the disquiet he felt at his true heritage: having one of his cultural icons call him a mongrel to his face and condemn his entire culture as a result.
"So, then what?"
"We were escorted out of the reliquary while the Eradicator Program and Van-Dal negotiated."
"Is there a record of their conversation anywhere?"
"There might be something on the module containing the Eradicator Program. I don't know how badly damaged it was. Otherwise, I don't think so."
I could ask the Deep Six; Highfather still has them. I'd need to ask Diana if I can borrow her lasso again though as I doubt that he'd want me branding them and I certainly couldn't trust them to volunteer the truth.
"Okay… Then what?"
"The Eradicator Program sent its androids out. They started working; updating our ships and bringing them back into full working order. Cara Yat was fairly upbeat about that aspect." He shakes his head. "Perhaps it would have repaired our genes once it was done with its other tasks."
"No, it was planning on recreating the kryptonian species using mass cloning."
"And… Us-?" He shakes his head. "No, it doesn't matter. Ah, anyway, it left us to our own devices for a while. Other than the robots flying into and out of the reliquaries, not much changed."
"Did 'Van-Dal' come back?"
"Not that I saw. But it's possible that he spoke to the Eradicators in space. I didn't see his lizard bodyguard again either." He looks at me curiously. "Why did you say his name like that?"
"The name he goes by on Earth is 'Vandal Savage'. His original name was something like 'Vandar Adg'. I think you were daxamising it."
"Ah. Yes, I think you're right. So, no, I didn't see him again."
"Did you see anyone else from outside of Daxam?"
"Yes, two people. They were visiting the reliquary housing the Eradicator Program, but I saw them because they decided to visit the town first."
"I don't suppose there are any pictures, are there?"
"No, and I can't draw well enough to depict them accurately. The woman had a slight build and blonde hair, and she spoke kryptonese with an accent I didn't recognise. The man had short brown hair, and.. at first I mistook him for a Green Lantern."
"How?"
"He glowed green and could generate objects in the way that they-. That you do. But the symbol on his chest was.. wrong. Is it.. compulsory?"
"Technically no, but it would be very unusual not to have the standard sigil. What did it look like?"
"Like an.. x. Or a large-winged insect."
I generate a construct of Joseph Harrolds's emblem. I see the recognition in his eyes immediately, but I should check. "Like this?"
"Yes. You know him?"
I expand the image to show his whole body, and he nods. "I know him. I can't imagine why he was here…" I shake my head. "But it's worth knowing. This looks like something that could have gone somewhere very unpleasant. Is there anything else that you think I need to know?"
"What do you mean, 'unpleasant'?"
"Joseph Harrolds is a warlord with an unrestricted power ring. I had thought that he was busy with his own world, but if he's venturing out… He could have taken your entire reliquary and left and there wouldn't have been much you could do about it, and I'd have probably ended up having to deal with him. But now I know that he's cooperating with Savage, I can start investigating that."
"What does that mean for us?"
"Not much. He's a high-powered target, so use whatever relic weapons you feel appropriate."
"And the woman?"
"I'd guess that's Ultragirl, so assume that she's got the powers of a kryptonian. I don't know her well enough to comment on her character." Hm. "I think that's everything I need from you at the moment. Regarding your children, when do you expect them to get back?"
00:04 GMT
"So you lied to me?"
He chuffs. "You were holding my client hostage. I needed to give you a believable lie to try and calm you down."
"Which isn't unreasonable, but does give you a bit of a credibility gap. Particularly when telling me that a member of my species who isn't on Daxam any more is more to blame for what happened than your client."
"Oh, she did make that argument; that our defences were inadequate. That was part of why we were more… Accommodating than usual. We could have used a sunstone and destroyed his ship, but he was… Charismatic. Reasonable. And we needed something. And we might have been able to deactivate the Eradicator Program, but… Culturally, we trust what's in the reliquary. We know it's not perfect; that it's technology we don't really understand and that it won't last forever. But it's…"
"A series of silver bullets for solving your problems."
"I… Don't know the reference..?"
"There's a type of… Mutagenic virus on Earth. One of the things it does is allow the host to regenerate from any nonfatal injury… Unless it was inflicted with silver. As such, the term 'silver bullet' has come to mean 'specific, highly effective solution to a particular problem'."
"I see. Yes, that's it. Nearly. They're not that specific, but… Yes. The idea that they just won't work doesn't occur to us. And I suppose… Technically, they didn't. If we'd been willing to endure the Eradicator Program, Sodam Yat would be here."
"I doubt it."
"We didn't guard the reliquary where the Eradicator Program was ensconced. We could have done; it would have tolerated us as long as we didn't get close enough to threaten it. If we had, your infiltration team wouldn't have been able to destroy it."
"That would have made things more difficult. So, alright, he activated the Eradicator Program-. Did he know that it was here, or did he learn about that from you?"
"He was interested in robotics and artificial intelligence. I'm not.. sure if he heard about the Eradicator Program from one of us or not. It.. could be either way."
"What happened after he turned it on?"
"It activated a group of Eradicator androids and detained him and his guard. He told it of the fate of Krypton and offered to bring a kryptonian to it. It… Said that we were kryptonians and so it had no need for more, particularly if they were… Contaminated."
His eyes dip, and he takes a deep breath.
"Van-Dal said that we weren't pure kryptonians either. That's when the Eradicator Program scanned us in… Detail."
I suppose that would exacerbate the disquiet he felt at his true heritage: having one of his cultural icons call him a mongrel to his face and condemn his entire culture as a result.
"So, then what?"
"We were escorted out of the reliquary while the Eradicator Program and Van-Dal negotiated."
"Is there a record of their conversation anywhere?"
"There might be something on the module containing the Eradicator Program. I don't know how badly damaged it was. Otherwise, I don't think so."
I could ask the Deep Six; Highfather still has them. I'd need to ask Diana if I can borrow her lasso again though as I doubt that he'd want me branding them and I certainly couldn't trust them to volunteer the truth.
"Okay… Then what?"
"The Eradicator Program sent its androids out. They started working; updating our ships and bringing them back into full working order. Cara Yat was fairly upbeat about that aspect." He shakes his head. "Perhaps it would have repaired our genes once it was done with its other tasks."
"No, it was planning on recreating the kryptonian species using mass cloning."
"And… Us-?" He shakes his head. "No, it doesn't matter. Ah, anyway, it left us to our own devices for a while. Other than the robots flying into and out of the reliquaries, not much changed."
"Did 'Van-Dal' come back?"
"Not that I saw. But it's possible that he spoke to the Eradicators in space. I didn't see his lizard bodyguard again either." He looks at me curiously. "Why did you say his name like that?"
"The name he goes by on Earth is 'Vandal Savage'. His original name was something like 'Vandar Adg'. I think you were daxamising it."
"Ah. Yes, I think you're right. So, no, I didn't see him again."
"Did you see anyone else from outside of Daxam?"
"Yes, two people. They were visiting the reliquary housing the Eradicator Program, but I saw them because they decided to visit the town first."
"I don't suppose there are any pictures, are there?"
"No, and I can't draw well enough to depict them accurately. The woman had a slight build and blonde hair, and she spoke kryptonese with an accent I didn't recognise. The man had short brown hair, and.. at first I mistook him for a Green Lantern."
"How?"
"He glowed green and could generate objects in the way that they-. That you do. But the symbol on his chest was.. wrong. Is it.. compulsory?"
"Technically no, but it would be very unusual not to have the standard sigil. What did it look like?"
"Like an.. x. Or a large-winged insect."
I generate a construct of Joseph Harrolds's emblem. I see the recognition in his eyes immediately, but I should check. "Like this?"
"Yes. You know him?"
I expand the image to show his whole body, and he nods. "I know him. I can't imagine why he was here…" I shake my head. "But it's worth knowing. This looks like something that could have gone somewhere very unpleasant. Is there anything else that you think I need to know?"
"What do you mean, 'unpleasant'?"
"Joseph Harrolds is a warlord with an unrestricted power ring. I had thought that he was busy with his own world, but if he's venturing out… He could have taken your entire reliquary and left and there wouldn't have been much you could do about it, and I'd have probably ended up having to deal with him. But now I know that he's cooperating with Savage, I can start investigating that."
"What does that mean for us?"
"Not much. He's a high-powered target, so use whatever relic weapons you feel appropriate."
"And the woman?"
"I'd guess that's Ultragirl, so assume that she's got the powers of a kryptonian. I don't know her well enough to comment on her character." Hm. "I think that's everything I need from you at the moment. Regarding your children, when do you expect them to get back?"
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'Whole' for 'Hole', at least until such a time as he gets a gaping chest wound.
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Thank you, corrected.
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It does feel like he's pulling a 'No, really, we weren't to blame, really!' gambit. But what reason would he have to lie now? He got what he wanted, and OL doesn't come across as the sort to take back a bribe if he doesn't like the results.
Not understanding it is a big problem when it's capable of forcing your civilisation into a new paradigm. But it's not his fault, he's not one of the guys in charge.
Huh, a rare case of the Ring translation not carrying the idiom well. I guess there's no equivalent here.
Werewolves, of course. Not that OL wants to attempt to suggest that the mystical applies. But I suspect with that explanation, Ken can equate it to a Lead bullet, or something similar.
Short of empowering a whole bunch of Eradicator-programmed Daxamites, anyway. The Last Son did do a number on OL, even with him trying not to damage Clark.
Though two people capable of effective invisibility and phasing would have an advantage.
Still curious that Vandal was so interested in tech like that...
I suppose by the Eradicator's standards, they are... Impure. The bio-mod that traded Kryptonite vulnerability for Lead allergies would definitely come across that way.
Especially for someone who would never normally have been in that sort of encounter except that he was serving his rulers.
Probably not anywhere OL can get at it.
Bet Diana would turn some heads in Supertown, if only for her unusual metaphysique. She's a lot of the way towards New godhood already, isn't she?
Somehow, I doubt that.
Doesn't take much to work out what would happen once the daxamites were superfluous. Eradicators with red-sunlight emitters to depower them, and then... Extermination.
Heh. Ol practically pronouncing air-quotes.
Admittedly, some Earth Names and words can sound Kryptonian when sounded out differently. Seig-El, for instance. Or Val'Orr.
Okay, that's useful information. And they can't have been natives, because that would hardly stand out.
...Oh. Oh, no...
Depends on the Ring, really. It does look fancy more often than not.
...Sheeeit. A Power Ring, isn't it? Minus Twelve, or Minus Sixteen, though, as they're the most likely suspects.
Welp. Looks like the Crime Syndicate is branching out.
At least it explains the green glow in that Eradicator's memory base. No doubt he visited the Doomsday site as well.
And him coming to this vicinity first before transiting across dimensions could explain the lack of alerts on Earth's interdiction systems.
Their elders probably already have plans to deal with green lanterns, after all. Paranoia breeds fast.
The clues do sound likely. No point increasing any Supergirl variant count unless she appears onscreen, though.
Well, at least that answered a few of OL's questions... And raised more. Why were the Syndicate here, especially right after Vandal Savage was? Were they working together? What did they do here? Did they take anything? Why was Vandal Savage even here in the first place? Ugh, so many new problems to investigate...
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"They"
"imagine"
To get some Kryptonian tech most likely.
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His hunt for robotics....well...the time travel robot he turned into armour that lead to the china leads the world alternative time line that lead to Time Trapper OL happened.....
What I'm more worried about is that Savage was running around with a motherbox and a star ship for some time. Could have gotten into contact with all sorts of beings. Poking around an Eradicator AI and robot systems.....Brainac 1 here is from Colu like the early comics version, rather then the Kryptonian AI version you got from the Animated series and later works. But if you bolt one onto the other.....well....Vril Dox the second might have issues keeping up with his clone daddy if he goes and Upgrades like that. At least that is where my mind went.
Given that Mr Zoat tossed out the later seasons plots due to them not existing when this story started, we don't have those stories to give Savage a plot to follow, but anything from the comics might be an option. We know he has contact with Darkseid...he likely even have contact with the Reach by this point....which makes earth a new front in the space war, if a cold war front since with the league on hand and well informed the Reach can't try the more Open methods they used in the show to move forward.
Oh....the OMAC suits Lex got from the -14 'verse.....those + Krypton based hardware....Eradicator++. That'd be something the Light would want on hand.
What I'm more worried about is that Savage was running around with a motherbox and a star ship for some time. Could have gotten into contact with all sorts of beings. Poking around an Eradicator AI and robot systems.....Brainac 1 here is from Colu like the early comics version, rather then the Kryptonian AI version you got from the Animated series and later works. But if you bolt one onto the other.....well....Vril Dox the second might have issues keeping up with his clone daddy if he goes and Upgrades like that. At least that is where my mind went.
Given that Mr Zoat tossed out the later seasons plots due to them not existing when this story started, we don't have those stories to give Savage a plot to follow, but anything from the comics might be an option. We know he has contact with Darkseid...he likely even have contact with the Reach by this point....which makes earth a new front in the space war, if a cold war front since with the league on hand and well informed the Reach can't try the more Open methods they used in the show to move forward.
Oh....the OMAC suits Lex got from the -14 'verse.....those + Krypton based hardware....Eradicator++. That'd be something the Light would want on hand.
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'rather than'?
I wonder if we're going to see The Light 2.0? We've potentially got an alliance between The Light, Darkseid, and the Sinestro Corps here.
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This paragraph reads a bit like you had two different ways you were thinking of taking it and combined them in a way that doesn't quite make sense. The last bit in red looks like it's from a different thought than the first. Alternately, you could move the 'is' two words earlier, or several other minor modification options and you'd end up with different workable paragraphs, but it's not obvious which thought you were going for to me.
The following set of quotes have what looks like a overzealous autocapitalize fuction failing to recognize that the ellipsis was a pause in a sentence rather than a trailing off and beginning a new one.
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What happened to the Ring translate system? Surely the Daxam language has a similar phrase. And even if it didn't the ring would still properly translate meaning. Yet I see Paul explaining a lot of English phrases like the Ring doesn't do that automatically anymore?
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No, I missed out a 'more' earlier in the sentence.
No, those are new sentences.
Daxam doesn't have an equivalent phrase, so there was nothing equivalent for the ring to translate it to.
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A nice reminder that Vandal Savage is perfectly capable of playing the reasonable man when it suits his goals. I wonder if he'll try it on OL, if they are ever in a position to talk where OL isn't immediately trying to kill Savage.
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i can't remember, is Vandal Savage super-strong or otherwise enhanced, beyond being immortal and able to regenerate?
because i get why the Daxamites would be confused at their inability to kill him... but they should still be able to physically overpower him, put him in restraints, and then toss him in a prison cell for violating their airspace. how did he go from "criminal with a death sentence" to "full access to religious sites"? i feel like i missed something obvious
because i get why the Daxamites would be confused at their inability to kill him... but they should still be able to physically overpower him, put him in restraints, and then toss him in a prison cell for violating their airspace. how did he go from "criminal with a death sentence" to "full access to religious sites"? i feel like i missed something obvious
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He was able to easily beat a bunch of cops in the show, but that may just be regular strong instead of super strong.
And watching someone that just died come back would be a pretty big shock, so he may have leveraged that to get them to cooperate.
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Nylor Truggs and Circe obtained the Hero Dial out from under Paragon!Paul's nose by magically teleporting it to their location, remotely. While it was exploding.
Truggs probably has all of the kryptonian samples that he needs, buuuuuut it seems like that method could serve as a way for Zod to survive his disintegration. It's unlikely they;l be involved though. So who, you ask? Recent chapters showed the Eradicators were sneaky enough to infiltrate Earth's system with their robots. Add to that that OL's investigation of the robot brain above New Genesis has little results (and was interrupted by the Greenies) AND that the Eradicator
So the reptilian bodyguard shouldn't refer to a qwardian, right? As far as I recall, non-Thunderer qwardians have dexterous claws, like you'd see on imps. They're a little reptilian. But the six apokoliptians... Yes, they are reptilian? But they're fishlike.
But specifying one of them as a bodyguard among the team, I'm not sure if that sits right with me. Is the wording intentional from Mr Zoat so that Paul won't realize there's a seventh monstrous humanoid to potentially research? Paul isn't asking Ken Lee about their appearance. Savage would have to trust this guy's professionalism if he is willing to risk him around Darkseid. https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_Six_(Prime_Earth)
I'm probably overthinking it. No, wait! The genetic experiments with the Hero Dial project Circe and Nylor were doing! Yeah, Vandal brought someone with exotic abilities with him, in case the Deep Six are hard-countered or wanted to inflict violence in the field.
Truggs probably has all of the kryptonian samples that he needs, buuuuuut it seems like that method could serve as a way for Zod to survive his disintegration. It's unlikely they;l be involved though. So who, you ask? Recent chapters showed the Eradicators were sneaky enough to infiltrate Earth's system with their robots. Add to that that OL's investigation of the robot brain above New Genesis has little results (and was interrupted by the Greenies) AND that the Eradicator
He was diplomatic. He confused them at the beginning of the introductions by regenerating, and after that he was shave enough that interrupting him would feel rude.
So the reptilian bodyguard shouldn't refer to a qwardian, right? As far as I recall, non-Thunderer qwardians have dexterous claws, like you'd see on imps. They're a little reptilian. But the six apokoliptians... Yes, they are reptilian? But they're fishlike.
But specifying one of them as a bodyguard among the team, I'm not sure if that sits right with me. Is the wording intentional from Mr Zoat so that Paul won't realize there's a seventh monstrous humanoid to potentially research? Paul isn't asking Ken Lee about their appearance. Savage would have to trust this guy's professionalism if he is willing to risk him around Darkseid. https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_Six_(Prime_Earth)
I'm probably overthinking it. No, wait! The genetic experiments with the Hero Dial project Circe and Nylor were doing! Yeah, Vandal brought someone with exotic abilities with him, in case the Deep Six are hard-countered or wanted to inflict violence in the field.
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The Deep Six, who were standing there? The many guns on his space ship?
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Just want to point out that the Justice League or Paul have that now.
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I can think of one reason, maybe he's working with Sinestro to restart and take over the Manhunters.
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Dang it, you're right. I forgot that was a part of all of the Supergirl drama. MAAAAN, whatever then.