(Partially) fixing the tag system

[saganatsu]

Looking at the list given, those don't seem to be merged?

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As it stands, we have a bunch of tags that don't mention an OC that are being merged into "si/oc", when they could easily be "SI in to canon character", which wouldn't really apply to the new tag. edit: while we simultaneously have a separate "self-insert" tag.

{kind of a self insert - kind of a self inser - kind off self insert - self insert (I guess?) - self-insert-kinda - sorta self insert - self(?) insert - semi si - semi-si - si is kinda oc - si sorta - si? - sort of si - sorta si thing - non self insert - insert not self - non-self insert - self insert oc - oc/si - oc-si - si oc - si-oc - si/oc - si is an oc - si is basically an oc - si is not an si} si/oc

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{Self-insert mc - selfinsert - si - si mc - si protagonist - self insert} self-insert

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Personally, I'd recommend all the ones I colored red merged into "self-insert", the ones in yellow probably want to be merged, along with "friend insert", into... "non-self insert", maybe? And "si is not an si"; I really don't know what to do with, my best guess is it should go with the non-self inserts, as thats the best meaning I could guess.

 

[EllaWolf]

question though, would it not be prudent to merge all the selective gender bending tags (like genderbent AU, Fem so and so, etc.) into something like Rule 63 AU?

I think its sufficiently different from just genderbending since that implies that genderbending is an action or core theme central to the story not a fact of the world at large

 

[BluexXHorizon]

Well, unless there's a distinct reason to keep them, it seems wise to merge anything about "femboy" or "trap" (both slurs in this day and age) into transfem protagonist.

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Femboy & Trap ≠ Transfemale character. Femboys are (essentially) the inverse of tomboys, and traps are male characters who both enjoy crossdressing and look like females. Which is definitely not the same as a trans female character, for obvious reasons.

 

[spktr alpha]

{rwby - rwby si - rwby au} rwby

{40k - 30k - warhammer 40k - warhammer 30k} warhammer 40k
*I wouldn't add 'warhammer' because it can mean either warhammer 40k or warhammer fantasy which is a separate continuity.

 

[Knightof4Suites]

Also femboys aren't transfem? They still identify as male, they just look feminine/pretty
EDIT: Ninja-ed

 

[Have a Little Feith]

{my hero academia - my_hero_academia - boku no hero academia - my boku academia} my hero academia

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add "bnha" and "mha" to this, and you're golden.

{rise of the sheild hero - rising of the shield hero - shield hero} the rising of the shield hero

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same thing here, but with "rotsh" as one of the ones being merged.

You gotta add the abbreviations to the merge list or there'll still be extra tags that mean the same thing. Another few to add to the list are "KH" for "kingdom hearts", and "got" or "Game of Thrones" to the A Song of Ice and Fire. Also of note is that I'm pretty sure I saw a "A Song of Fire and Ice" which I can't remember if it was solely the name of a fic, or a tag in the list... and "author name" tags to denote an user by that name wrote the story should be done away with, I think. They serve no purpose other than vanity when someone looking for their fics can easily search them as a user and find all of their threads that way... but that's just my personal opinion.

 

[Quiet Squid]

Anyway. There's a bunch of different variations of things like fem Naruto, Naruko, female Naruto, ect. Same with Harry Potter, and a couple other major fanfiction characters who get genderbent have this problem.

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Just general Rule 63 Character and World tags maybe? (Is that used anymore? Am I old?)

 

[ANGRY PUFFBALL]

I think that for Fate tags specifically, while variations should be merged, series tags should be kept separate. Someone may want a Fate/Stay Night fanfic but not a Fate/Grand Order fanfic, for example.

 

[GirlBrain]

Well, unless there's a distinct reason to keep them, it seems wise to merge anything about "femboy" or "trap" (both slurs in this day and age) into transfem protagonist.
Probably for the best to keep futa seperate, a lot of people like to write about that as a distinct thing, even with the obvious origins.
Genderbending protagonist may as well be merged into trans protagonist. No point splitting hairs, there.
Unless the main character is actively swapping back and forth between multiple bodies, ranma 1/2 style.

Edit: my cunning plan of getting vocal transphobes to spew dogwhistles at me so I can block them worked! Yippie!

And now for actual content- anything to do with alternate universe, IE AU, Alternate universe, divergent timeline, etc
Those tags should get merged.
Some specific aus should probably remain as their own tags, but mostly they can get squished together.

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Femboy is not a slur what are you on about.

 

[Sam I Am]

Well, unless there's a distinct reason to keep them, it seems wise to merge anything about "femboy" or "trap" (both slurs in this day and age) into transfem protagonist.
Probably for the best to keep futa seperate, a lot of people like to write about that as a distinct thing, even with the obvious origins.
Genderbending protagonist may as well be merged into trans protagonist. No point splitting hairs, there.
Unless the main character is actively swapping back and forth between multiple bodies, ranma 1/2 style.

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Femboy and traps, as words, are referring to feminine males and males who appear as girls but are not, respectively. Not transfem folk, as they identify as males. No point in folding those tags undeneath transfem.

Also, question, how are those slurs?? I've never heard anybody ever refer to those words as slurs.

 

[Moran]

{cross-over - cross over - crossover} crossover

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{cross-over - cross over - crossover - x-over} crossover

 

[Skelethin]

Well, unless there's a distinct reason to keep them, it seems wise to merge anything about "femboy" or "trap" (both slurs in this day and age) into transfem protagonist.

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These are distinctly different from the character being trans. Though I could agree with "trap" being merged into something else because it can have negative connotations with being an intentional attempt to deceive people about it in a non-benign way.

Genderbending protagonist may as well be merged into trans protagonist. No point splitting hairs, there.
Unless the main character is actively swapping back and forth between multiple bodies, ranma 1/2 style.

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Genderbending is not trans by default. It may end up being a trans character, but it is specifically about someone suddenly dealing with being the opposite/different gender than they are used to with a major part of the themes being deciding if they like the change or not.

 

[Windborne]

I'd advise using severe caution when merging tags.

Some such as the Game of Thrones one listed in the OP are fine when you're just talking about the main books or tv show, but including House of the Dragon is not fine. If I'm looking for a GoT Fic and I'm not interested in House of the Dragon at all (because fuck the Targs) I'd be pretty fucking annoyed to learn that all those House of Dragon Fics were lumped in with my search.

 

[EllaWolf]

add "bnha" and "mha" to this, and you're golden.

same thing here, but with "rotsh" as one of the ones being merged.

You gotta add the abbreviations to the merge list or there'll still be extra tags that mean the same thing. Another few to add to the list are "KH" for "kingdom hearts", and "got" or "Game of Thrones" to the A Song of Ice and Fire. Also of note is that I'm pretty sure I saw a "A Song of Fire and Ice" which I can't remember if it was solely the name of a fic, or a tag in the list... and "author name" tags to denote an user by that name wrote the story should be done away with, I think. They serve no purpose other than vanity when someone looking for their fics can easily search them as a user and find all of their threads that way... but that's just my personal opinion.

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You are right, forgot about abbreviations but they need to either be merged or integrated in some way

ZZZ, FGO, HSR, and all the others along with variations need to be merged if only into a single acronym in the worst case. its really bad that fate has fgo, FGO, F/GO and Grand Order all as separate tags

 

[BambooSplinter]

I think someone already mentioned it, but for Fandom tags I think it'd be better to keep them abbreviated: asoiaf, got, hotd, mha, etc. Or alteast for the major ones? Just for easier filtering imo

 

[Iridesce]

Just general Rule 63 Character and World tags maybe? (Is that used anymore? Am I old?)

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Problem is fem Harry is much more specific than rule 63 character. There's a reason to specify which character got swapped. A general rule of making the tag rule 63 [character name] would probably be a decent format for the tags though.

 

[ExquisiteTopHat]

These are distinctly different from the character being trans. Though I could agree with "trap" being merged into something else because it can have negative connotations with being an intentional attempt to deceive people about it in a non-benign way.


Genderbending is not trans by default. It may end up being a trans character, but it is specifically about someone suddenly dealing with being the opposite/different gender than they are used to with a major part of the themes being deciding if they like the change or not.

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Oh, absolutely.
I was just shitstirring with a paragraph of actual substance edited in later so that I could block the vocal transphobes and misogynists who used specific dogwhistles to deny any equivalence! ^w^

 

[Grimnar]

BTW, thank you for taking the time to do this! The tag system has really started to sprawl, so it's nice to know the issue is being taken seriously.

 

[Slickji]

I think you should also give the opportunity for a thread creator to mark a tag as flavor text/a joke. Basically it'd make the tag useless for searching and if its a new tag it wouldnt create a new tag but it'd still appear like a normal tag.

also what do people think.about combining "lesbian" and "yuri" tags? I don't see too much difference between the 2 tags based on how they are used in practice.

 

[Iridesce]

Femboy is not a slur what are you on about.

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Femboy and traps, as words, are referring to feminine males and males who appear as girls but are not, respectively. Not transfem folk, as they identify as males. No point in folding those tags undeneath transfem.

Also, question, how are those slurs?? I've never heard anybody ever refer to those words as slurs.

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Only place I've ever seen it was SV. Specific rule about it and everything. But over here this is the first time I've seen anyone give a fuck.

 

[GirlBrain]

I'd suggest every variation of male protagonist and female protagonist be merged together. Making it easier to search for stories based on the gender of the character would be amazing.

Ex: Female Protagonist, Female MC, Female Protag, etc. -> Female Protagonist

Only place I've ever seen it was SV. Specific rule about it and everything. But over here this is the first time I've seen anyone give a fuck.

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I litterally know people who identify as a femboy. They are not girls. They are just boy version of tomboys. They're Tomgirls.

 

[Borland30]

And many people put worm au tag without adding simple worm. There is 14 pages of search results without worm tag. Can worm be added automatically to every fic with worm au (retroactively and in newly posted content) or only tag merge are possible?

 

[Hell’s Marster]

Well, unless there's a distinct reason to keep them, it seems wise to merge anything about "femboy" or "trap" (both slurs in this day and age) into transfem protagonist.
Probably for the best to keep futa seperate, a lot of people like to write about that as a distinct thing, even with the obvious origins.
Genderbending protagonist may as well be merged into trans protagonist. No point splitting hairs, there.
Unless the main character is actively swapping back and forth between multiple bodies, ranma 1/2 style.

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Femboys are guys that dress like women and know that they're not women.
Traps the same but are distinctly gay or overly flirty with guys and as their name suggests try to trick guy's into gay situations.
So not trans!!

As for "Genderbending protagonist may as well be merged into trans protagonist"
Genderbending they keep their former personality manly, where trans embraces the new body's norms.

 

[Skelethin]

Also, question, how are those slurs?? I've never heard anybody ever refer to those words as slurs.

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"Trap" I have seen used to maliciously describe people who crossdress/otherwise appear feminine with the intention of tricking/deceiving other people about their actual/preferred gender identity.

Admittedly, this is mostly by "straight" guys that got pissed when they realized they got all horny for another guy and that they aren't as rigidly straight as they thought, but that doesn't stop people from using it to decide it was done maliciously against them.

 

[Ryggertrue24]

Well all the incest tags that is for incest should merg too

 

[Draegoon]

Impreg, impregnation, breeding and so on could be merged

 

[Ayashi]

Problem is fem Harry is much more specific than rule 63 character. There's a reason to specify which character got swapped. A general rule of making the tag rule 63 [character name] would probably be a decent format for the tags though.

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This is supposed to be a general change, not some kind of lock down on unique tags.
An author who feels strongly on the subject could use the "Rule 63 AU" tag AND ALSO "Fem!Potter", or whatever else they want.

 

[Windborne]

I think someone already mentioned it, but for Fandom tags I think it'd be better to keep them abbreviated: asoiaf, got, hotd, mha, etc. Or alteast for the major ones? Just for easier filtering imo

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Abbreviations are not always things people understand, so keeping the final tag as Game of Thrones would be preferential I think. Also there are also series that overlap abbreviations, House of the Dragon and Highschool of the Dead are two very separate settings with pretty much nothing in common, but I've seen them both tagged as HotD.

 

[Have a Little Feith]

I think someone already mentioned it, but for Fandom tags I think it'd be better to keep them abbreviated: asoiaf, got, hotd, mha, etc. Or alteast for the major ones? Just for easier filtering imo

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Hotd is a problematic one, because before "House of the Dragon" there was "Highschool of the Dead" using that abbreviation. Edit: ninja'd somewhat, by the post before mine. And I second what @Ashali said about the Si/oc tags needing to be separated, and what that one person said about House of Dragons needing to be separate from GoT or ASOIAF tags. I'd be pretty annoyed too, if I found out a story I was interested in had a tag I disliked. Although, that has happened several times so far. *See a decent idea's title, open in a new page. What's this? A tag I hate? F*ck that, click ignore, close the tab.* That's what happens every time I have that happen.

Another thing that should be synonymized is sexual preference tags in general. "Bi MC" tags could probably be separated into Bi male protagonist and Bi female protagonist. I'm fine with the latter tag, wouldn't filter that out, but I'd hate to filter out both at the same time due to overzealous tag merging.

 

[LurkerBerserker]

There are a lot of tags that amount to being "setting" followed by "au" such as "worm au" and "danmachi au". Will these tags be affected in anyway now that the various au tags are being merged? I know it annoys me having to search through both a settings normal tag and its au tags at times to find all of the fics associated with a specific setting.