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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Hypothetical; if he had assimilated one of the pre-Dream spell cats before the ritual, would it remember the pre-Dream spell world or would it be affected like all the other cats were?
That's a tough one. There are plenty of powers which can make a ring glitch, so I reckon the spell would affect the assimilated cat. Unless, unless the cat was in some pocket dimension- not just in the ring.
 
Pruning (part 5) New
14th September 2013
08:22 GMT


The Thanagarian cruiser-carrier in front of me deploys thrusters and accelerates backwards away from me as my construct Ophidian glowers at it. For something like this, scaring a military vessel out of someone else's territory, actually calling on her power is entirely superfluous.

And… I'm a little uncomfortable with how… Merged we were getting when I browbeat the High Mor into signing the treaty. The Ophidian isn't hostile. Quite the contrary, according to Hinon she likes me more than anyone and anything the Controllers have on record. And the Ophidian has no problem with helping me. She wants everything, and having perspective is something that she values. So calling her whenever I need her is fine as far as she's concerned; she's doing what she wants to.

But being perfectly fine merging with the Embodiment of Avarice is moving away from being human. And that's… That's something that I want to hold on to as long as possible. All other things being equal.

I mean… Apotheosis is a thing that can happen. And even without divine heritage, the exotic energies I've been absorbing… I'm probably going to experience something like that eventually. And that's… Fine. Plenty of minor members of the Hellenistic pantheon used to be mortals. The original version of Wonder Woman ended up becoming a goddess in the comics. Not sure what it will mean in practice…

The thanagarian ship finally gets enough distance from me that the pilot feels that it's safe for them to turn the ship. It rotates so that it's nose up relative to the orbital plane of this system and activates its main sub-light drive, rapidly accelerating out from between the odd binary dwarf planet pair and towards 'safety'.

State-endorsed piracy. It's disgraceful. Not only are there plenty of worlds within easy reach of the Thanagarian Empire that they could easily terraform, not only do they already have plenty of worlds they're not using to anything like their peak capacity, but they insist on subjugating by brute force rather than using their superior economic power to bring other worlds into their sphere of influence. Hyathis is giving more generous terms to places she's been at war with for centuries than the Thanagarians use as their opening offer.

This isn't an efficient use of my time, but I can't say that I regret it.

I raise my right index figure to my forehead

and

appear next to Lantern Guarn as he watches from orbit around the system's one inhabited planet.

"They're leaving."

He makes a gesture of acknowledgement and gratitude, tilting his head back and flaring his throat sacks.

"I'm trying to understand Green Lantern rules of engagement. Isn't chasing off pirates your job?"

"Pirates, yes. But… The Guardians know that we're not all as strong as Lantern Gardner or… You. The Thanagarian Empire was getting to the point where I would need to take action, but I can't defeat them by myself. Instead, I would need to ally myself with their enemies, or raise a coalition to oppose them."

"Your partner?"

"On Oa for training. My previous partner was killed by… Pirates."

"That sounds like something that should have caused more disquiet."

"The galaxy is a large place, Orange Lantern. There are many expansionist empires, and only a handful of Honour Guard Lanterns. I cannot take time away from my primary tasks to focus on increasing my own power, not without a partner to cover for me. Even with one it would feel like an indulgence."

"Do you know of anyone who would make a good Orange Lantern?"

"What characteristics are required?"

"Ideally, they would be someone who has a selfish desire to create peace. Who was so unsatisfied with the state of things today that it created a powerful sense of disquiet within them."

"Hm. No one comes to mind. There probably are people like that amongst the slaves and lizarkons, but I don't interface with their hives."

"And I don't want to take the time away from Earth that I'd need to in order to train them up. And not just because of the time it would take; it would be an obvious sign to Thanagar that I've decided to become their enemy."

He stares at me for a moment.

"Do you not think that grub has already moulted?"

"There's a difference between someone who has interests and ambitions contrary to yours and may oppose you, and someone who is obviously building up with the intent of finishing you off. Thanagar is the violent and xenoservus empire. I'm curtailing their influence… Fine. They won't like it, but they know that they'll survive. But if it looks like I intend to wipe them out, then they'll employ any and all methods to dissuade me."

"Their slaves would make good hostages."

"The thanagarians of the old colonies would make good hostages. Particularly if Andar or Hyathis turn the ones on the colonies they're occupying, which is entirely possible."

"Would they make good Orange Lanterns?"

"I don't think Andar would. Hyathis… Maybe. I'm not sure that she's got the mental stability to stay on-mission…"

The alternative is that I get an existing Orange Lantern to do it. But who? The Reach are a far larger problem than Thanagar-.

For a moment I consider giving rings to Hawkman and Hawkwoman.

No.

Everyone in Vega is going to be busy. I could probably look out across the universe and find someone with exactly the right set of desires…

"Standard practice is to build an alliance between at-risk worlds?"

"Yes."

"I'm assuming that there isn't any one good nucleus world?"

"Alstair."

"So no."

"Alstair fulfils the requirements. Orange Lantern, is your aim to unmake the Thanagarian Empire?"

"Yes. By which I include reforming it so substantially that it effectively becomes something else."

"Hyathis is best positioned to achieve that aim."

"But a substantial proportion of the Empire's population will resist to the death. But if we could promote an internal reform process…"

"How? The High Council has enforced a monoculture. There is no separate internal locus of power."

"The old colonies?"

"Not unified, either internally or with each other. And they have just as many slaves as Thanagar itself."

"Alright. How about this world?"

"They're barely interstellar. They have only eight billion people spread across their home system, and none outside of it. Their internal development strategy-."

"But they're better people than the thanagarians?"

"Yes. Though that may only be because they lack the reach."

"Then we may as well start with them."

"Yes? Ah. We?"
 
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State-endorsed piracy. It's disgraceful. Not only are there plenty of worlds within easy reach of the Thanagarian Empire that they could easily terraform, not only do they already have plenty of worlds they're not using to anything like their peak capacity, but they insist on subjugating by brute force rather than using their superior economic power to bring other worlds into their sphere of influence. Hyathis is giving more generous terms to places she's been at war with for centuries than the Thanagarians use as their opening offer.

This isn't an efficient use of my time, but I can't say that I regret it.
Yeah, they really are just asking to be taken down in OL's eyes.

"Standard practice is to build an alliance between at-risk worlds?"

"Yes."

"I'm assuming that there isn't any one good nucleus world?"

"Alstair."

"So no."

"Alstair fulfils the requirements. Orange Lantern, is your aim to unmake the Thanagarian Empire?"

"Yes. By which I include reforming it so substantially that it effectively becomes something else."

"Hyathis is best positioned to achieve that aim."

"But a substantial proportion of the Empire's population will resist to the death. But if we could promote an internal reform process…"

"How? The High Council has enforced a monoculture. There is no separate internal locus of power."

"The old colonies?"

"Not unified, either internally or with each other. And they have just as many slaves as Thanagar itself."

"Alright. How about this world?"

"They're barely interstellar. They have only eight billion people spread across their home system, and none outside of it. Their internal development strategy-."

"But they're better people than the thanagarians?"

"Yes. Though that may only be because they lack the reach."

"They we may as well start with them."

"Yes? Ah. We?"
Good to know Paul is going to get others interested in the absolute defeat and possible reformation of Thanagar to help him rather than do everything himself. Also, that should say 'Then'.
 
I mean… Apotheosis is a thing that can happen. And even without divine heritage, the exotic energies I've been absorbing… I'm probably going to experience something like that eventually. And that's… Fine. Plenty of minor members of the Hellenistic pantheon used to be mortals
Heck, Hephasestus mentioned that Hades was planning on making you the god of greed when you died.
The Thanagar Empire was getting to the point where I
"Thanagarian"
 
State-endorsed piracy. It's disgraceful.
Now now, Paul, the word for 'state-endorsed piracy' is privateering, and the British Empire was quite happy issuing Letters of Marque and Reprisal for a very long time.

Of course, they usually weren't doing it in the outright name of conquest, although there are those who would argue that's what the British East India Company was for...

"I'm trying to understand Green Lantern rules of engagement. Isn't chasing off pirates your job?"

"Pirates, yes. But… The Guardians know that we're not all as strong as Lantern Gardner or… You. The Thanagarian Empire was getting to the point where I would need to take action, but I can't defeat them by myself. Instead, I would need to ally myself with their enemies, or raise a coalition to oppose them."
And again, there's a legal difference between piracy and privateering, not that those on the receiving end of either made any distinction in most cases. But the Guardians would probably prefer their space cops not outright make enemies of an interplanetary government without extremely good cause.

"There's a difference between someone who has interests and ambitions contrary to yours and may oppose you, and someone who is obviously building up with the intent of finishing you off.
In other words: as long as Paul pretends the Thanagarians aren't a problem worth his time, the Thanagarians will pretend he isn't an active threat.

Thanagar is the violent and xenoservus empire.
Is this a synonym for 'xenophobic'?
 
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14th September 2013
08:22 GMT


The Thanagarian cruiser-carrier in front of me deploys thrusters and accelerates backwards away from me as my construct Ophidian glowers at it. For something like this, scaring a military vessel out of someone else's territory, actually calling on her power is entirely superfluous.
To be fair, him just showing up is probably covered in their orders anyway. Mostly in a 'keep your distance, don't draw his attention and try to slip away quietly' fashion. In this case, 'rapid reverse thrust' is an acceptable option.

And… I'm a little uncomfortable with how… Merged we were getting when I browbeat the High Mor into signing the treaty. The Ophidian isn't hostile. Quite the contrary, according to Hinon she likes me more than anyone and anything the Controllers have on record. And the Ophidian has no problem with helping me. She wants everything, and having perspective is something that she values. So calling her whenever I need her is fine as far as she's concerned; she's doing what she wants to.
Being able to see that other people want things she is less interested in is probably a novel experience for her. It'll be interesting to see if Xor ever manages to achieve the same sort of bonding with her that OL has.

But being perfectly fine merging with the Embodiment of Avarice is moving away from being human. And that's… That's something that I want to hold on to as long as possible. All other things being equal.
Though we know that eventually he becomes something more, able to skip across dimensions quite casually. All those 'future' snips from the first time he met Ambush Bug, remember?

I mean… Apotheosis is a thing that can happen. And even without divine heritage, the exotic energies I've been absorbing… I'm probably going to experience something like that eventually. And that's… Fine. Plenty of minor members of the Hellenistic pantheon used to be mortals. The original version of Wonder Woman ended up becoming a goddess in the comics. Not sure what it will mean in practice…
All correct. Though I suspect said apotheosis will involve some manner of painful process. Like Heracles having his mortal aspects burnt away as he sat upon a funeral pyre after being poisoned by Hydra's blood.

The thanagarian ship finally gets enough distance from me that the pilot feels that it's safe for them to turn the ship. It rotates so that it's nose up relative to the orbital plane of this system and activates its main sub-light drive, rapidly accelerating out from between the odd binary dwarf planet pair and towards 'safety'.
Running with their tail-feathers tucked. I suspect that'll be a frequent sight for a while to come around OL.

State-endorsed piracy. It's disgraceful. Not only are there plenty of worlds within easy reach of the Thanagarian Empire that they could easily terraform, not only do they already have plenty of worlds they're not using to anything like their peak capacity, but they insist on subjugating by brute force rather than using their superior economic power to bring other worlds into their sphere of influence. Hyathis is giving more generous terms to places she's been at war with for centuries than the Thanagarians use as their opening offer.
Most likely some measure of cultural influence, possibly dating back to the Seven Devils era. A belief that subjects must be cowed and broken to 'truly know their place'.

This isn't an efficient use of my time, but I can't say that I regret it.

I raise my right index figure to my forehead
It's the old saw he loves to quote about rejoicing when he finds evil.

and

appear next to Lantern Guarn as he watches from orbit around the system's one inhabited planet.
The intended victims of said 'piracy', eh? Presumably the ship would come down, ravage a small city and take slaves, then disappear again.

"They're leaving."

He makes a gesture of acknowledgement and gratitude, tilting his head back and flaring his throat sacks.
Ah, the body language of extra-terrestrial beings...

"I'm trying to understand Green Lantern rules of engagement. Isn't chasing off pirates your job?"

"Pirates, yes. But… The Guardians know that we're not all as strong as Lantern Gardner or… You. The Thanagar Empire was getting to the point where I would need to take action, but I can't defeat them by myself. Instead, I would need to ally myself with their enemies, or raise a coalition to oppose them."
Not calling in backup from neighbouring sectors or an Honour Guard? Then again, that would possibly convey an unacceptable sense of 'not being able to do his job' he might not be willing to display.

"Your partner?"

"On Oa for training. My previous partner was killed by… Pirates."

"That sounds like something that should have caused more disquiet."
There's always someone willing and able to go about taking things others have, by force if needed. Doing it in space just requires a little more technology.

"The galaxy is a large place, Orange Lantern. There are many expansionist empires, and only a handful of Honour Guard Lanterns. I cannot take time away from my primary tasks to focus on increasing my own power, not without a partner to cover for me. Even with one it would feel like an indulgence."
Sensible enough rationale for it. Not every Lantern needs nor wants to be as capable as an Honour Guard.

"Do you know of anyone who would make a good Orange Lantern?"

"What characteristics are required?"
Might get him in trouble with the bosses for letting OL recruit someone, but as noted, what can he really do to stop him?

"Ideally, they would be someone who has a selfish desire to create peace. Who was so unsatisfied with the state of things today that it created a powerful sense of disquiet within them."

"Hm. No one comes to mind. There probably are people like that amongst the slaves and lizarkons, but I don't interface with their hives."
So OL might have an easier time poking around by himself if he wants a recruit to handle things here.

"And I don't want to take the time away from Earth that I'd need to in order to train them up. And not just because of the time it would take; it would be an obvious sign to Thanagar that I've decided to become their enemy."

He stares at me for a moment.
Yeah, that is an awkward drawback. They're already a little miffed at him. That plan might make them escalate to kill-squads.

"Do you not think that grub has already moulted?"
Ah, just like his body language, his idioms are suitably different.

"There's a difference between someone who has interests and ambitions contrary to yours and may oppose you, and someone who is obviously building up with the intent of finishing you off. Thanagar is the violent and xenoservus empire. I'm curtailing their influence… Fine. They won't like it, but they know that they'll survive. But if it looks like I intend to wipe them out, then they'll employ any and all methods to dissuade me."
Waiting him out seems fine, sure, until they realise he doesn't age and is unlikely to stay dead even if killed. Even if it's not this generation of leadership, the next might chafe under his restrictions...

"Their slaves would make good hostages."

"The thanagarians of the old colonies would make good hostages. Particularly if Andar or Hyathis turn the ones on the colonies they're occupying, which is entirely possible."
Certainly, especially if they're sensible enough to catch on that this isn't a mere temporary thing and their new 'rulers' are here to stay.

"Would they make good Orange Lanterns?"

"I don't think Andar would. Hyathis… Maybe. I'm not sure that she's got the mental stability to stay on-mission…"
You're worried she'll go Full Larfleeze? Not unreasonable, given how we've seen folks with more unfocused desires have handled the RIngs.

The alternative is that I get an existing Orange Lantern to do it. But who? The Reach are a far larger problem than Thanagar-.

For a moment I consider giving rings to Hawkman and Hawkwoman.
...OL, if they even accepted, that would be a bigger slap in the face of the Thanagarian leadership than you walking up and slapping the old birds with a construct penis. 😅

No.

Everyone in Vega is going to be busy. I could probably look out across the universe and find someone with exactly the right set of desires…
But again, do you really have the time to do that, train them and be watchful of their actions?

"Standard practice is to build an alliance between at-risk worlds?"

"Yes."
And the implication is doing so here would be a bit trickier due to circumstances...

"I'm assuming that there isn't any one good nucleus world?"

"Alstair."

"So no."
Not without a hell of a lot of arguing or counter-conquests.

"Alstair fulfils the requirements. Orange Lantern, is your aim to unmake the Thanagarian Empire?"

"Yes. By which I include reforming it so substantially that it effectively becomes something else."
I suppose that option works, as long as you can keep the body count below 'Interstellar war.'

"Hyathis is best positioned to achieve that aim."

"But a substantial proportion of the Empire's population will resist to the death. But if we could promote an internal reform process…"
Fat chance of that, with the High Mor and his cronies sitting atop the pile.

"How? The High Council has enforced a monoculture. There is no separate internal locus of power."

"The old colonies?"

"Not unified, either internally or with each other. And they have just as many slaves as Thanagar itself."
And highly unlikely to emancipate them, especially while they still have strong ties to their mother planet.

"Alright. How about this world?"

"They're barely interstellar. They have only eight billion people spread across their home system, and none outside of it. Their internal development strategy-."
Why do I get the feeling this is going to go somewhere troublesome. 😒

"But they're better people than the thanagarians?"

"Yes. Though that may only be because they lack the reach."
But can you be sure they won't become as aggressively imperialistic as the Thanagarians if given interstellar drives? Sudden rapid technological uplift can really mess with a culture's development...

"Then we may as well start with them."

"Yes? Ah. We?"
I suspect he wants you to take point on this, Guarn, old buddy...

Let's hope this doesn't go badly for OL. Hoiking a species that's barely interplanetary into the core of an interstellar alliance seems like there's a lot of moving parts that could go very wrong. Especially if he's trying to stay hands-off with it to avoid giving the Thanagarians reasons to send out the kill-squads...
 
Let's hope this doesn't go badly for OL. Hoiking a species that's barely interplanetary into the core of an interstellar alliance seems like there's a lot of moving parts that could go very wrong.
On the flip side, you know they're somebody all of the other races don't have preconceived animsoity towards. Or they all will, which would honestly not be the worst result; remember the old saying that if everybody hates you clearly you're doing something right.

(And hey, 'species that's barely interplanetary becoming the core of an interstellar alliance' didn't turn out too badly in Star Trek...)
 
It sounds like the apotheosis risk is something that could be mitigated by limiting mergers to highly thaumic regions, to avoid singular power sources? Or maybe some.of the excess power could be shunted off to a secondary lantern-ish structure?
 
Is this a synonym for 'xenophobic'?
Not really. They don't hate or fear aliens, they just think it's better if they're slaves to the Thanagarian Empire.
The intended victims of said 'piracy', eh? Presumably the ship would come down, ravage a small city and take slaves, then disappear again.
No no no no no. Thanagar doesn't enslave individuals. It enslaves civilisations. What you're suggesting is completely inefficient.
 
hey is grayven still fucking a pony?

also has Paul become more human at all compared to the FU-Zeus arc?
 
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Hmm. Yeah, the English writer would know about state-sponsored piracy. Glad that business has been put to bed.

"But they're better people than the thanagarians?"

"Yes. Though that may only be because they lack the reach."

Well, there's a prediction for how this new venture will turn out. Are we going to get an adventure on this unnamed world, with an update coming in a year or two IRL?

He makes a gesture of acknowledgement and gratitude, tilting his head back and flaring his throat sacks.
Mr Zoat, I couldn't find a Green Lantern Guarn online. What does this alien look like? Well, assuming he's going to pop up semi-regularly.
 
Hmm. Yeah, the English writer would know about state-sponsored piracy. Glad that business has been put to bed.
Look, there's a difference between licencing people to raid the properties of people you're already at war with, and using your actual military to raid just to mess someone up.
Mr Zoat, I couldn't find a Green Lantern Guarn online. What does this alien look like? Well, assuming he's going to pop up semi-regularly.
I didn't have a firm appearance in mind, but when you asked me I found myself imagining one of the slave species from The Adventurers of the Galaxy Rangers.
hey is grayven still fucking a pony?
Sometimes you ride the pony, sometimes the pony rides you.
also has Paul become more human at all compared to the FU-Zeus arc?
Not really.
 
"I don't think Andar would. Hyathis… Maybe. I'm not sure that she's got the mental stability to stay on-mission…"

Besides, Hyathis already has plenty of personal power. The trouble is that she's already very busy and can handle only so many things at once. She needs another powerful person on the job.

Kind of in the same way that Dox is their most powerful Orange Lantern, barring only OL calling on the Ophidian, but it still makes sense for him to spend most of his time in a leadership role. (Though at least the ring makes it harder for the Reach to assassinate him.)

"Ideally, they would be someone who has a selfish desire to create peace. Who was so unsatisfied with the state of things today that it created a powerful sense of disquiet within them."

"But a substantial proportion of the Empire's population will resist to the death. But if we could promote an internal reform process…"

"How? The High Council has enforced a monoculture. There is no separate internal locus of power."

(slaps hands on face) Bleez is so obviously the solution. She's a genuine reformer who understands both Thangarian society and aliens. If she had a power ring and enough ability with it to keep herself safe, she be be a locus for reform the High Council can't just kill. She doesn't even have a lot of potential hostages to use against her. And we know from the original DC timeline she has plenty of talent for using a power ring.

And I know, Zoat has said that she doesn't want to do it, and that's a major problem with an orange power ring. But she is still obviously the solution.

Can only hope that Bleez does some soul-searching and asking herself, "What do I really want?" and finds that her internal desire for reform is greater than her desire to not shoulder that responsibility.

"But they're better people than the thanagarians?"

"Yes. Though that may only be because they lack the reach."

"Oh yes, bringing in the Reach usually does make people worse, but what does that have to do with anything?"

(I may have made this post 90% for that joke.)
 
That's a tough one. There are plenty of powers which can make a ring glitch, so I reckon the spell would affect the assimilated cat. Unless, unless the cat was in some pocket dimension- not just in the ring.

Construct Cat: "I'M TELLING YOU! I USED TO BE A HUGE GIANT BEAST!"
Random construct: (seated at a table with others playing poker) "Uh huh, sure you were."

Heck, Hephasestus mentioned that Hades was planning on making you the god of greed when you died.

Assuming the Shinto pantheon doesn't try to nab him like they did Lady Liberty, Marilyn Munroe, and King Kong. Doubt they would because of how badly it'd go, but stranger things have happened.

Can only hope that Bleez does some soul-searching and asking herself, "What do I really want?" and finds that her internal desire for reform is greater than her desire to not shoulder that responsibility.

Wouldn't be the first (intended to be) red lantern OL managed to nab. Remember Ratchet?
 
Pruning (part 6) New
14th September 2013
08:59 GMT


The dominant species of this world are pseudo-mammalian, with four arms and faces which put me in mind of a camel. The upper arms are designed for strength, while the lower pair are used for fine object manipulation. Their legs are digitigrade, and they often walk around on legs and knuckles. The person we're waiting to see isn't their president or prime minister, but is more like the United Nations Secretary General; a civil servant appointed by the powers of the world to handle certain administrative matters. Lantern Guarn was able to get us an accelerated interview; his secretary just hung up on me.

"Lanterns." The man flares his nose in a smile-equivalent, and knocks his major knuckles on the ground in a 'I'm not punching you' gesture of friendliness. "What can Fthaymon do for you?"

I start to open my mouth, then realise that his eyes are focused on Lantern Guarn. Which isn't too surprising; naturally he'd assume that the one he's actually heard of was taking the lead. Well, may as well let him.

"Convenor, there was a ship of the Thanagarian Empire in your system. I believe that it was the source of the raids which your mining settlements have recently been enduring."

The Convenor clenches his minor hands in a gesture of agreement. "You are probably right. We assumed that it was something like that after they kindly offered to annex us. Are they powerful?"

I nod. "They're the most powerful stellar nation in this Sector. But they've recently suffered a military setback and I'm concerned that they might lash out to prove that they've still the top dog."

"And raiding us was intended to apply pressure?"

"Yes, just so. They had a bottleneck which prevented them from expanding their navy above a certain size, and their population isn't all that large. Getting willing compliance in a way which gets them most of what they want and doesn't require them to leave a garrison is the usual way they handle worlds at your level of advancement."

"And the terms remain stable?"

I frown, smiling. "Convenor"

"I am not surprised, but there is nothing we can do except grovel in the dirt if they send an actual war fleet."

"That's not entirely true."

Lantern Guarn makes a gesture of affirmation. "We wished to speak to you about the idea of combining your efforts with those of other worlds to contain Thanagar."

"A large group of worlds who cannot resist them are not going to be able to resist better just because they combined their efforts. It doesn't matter now many times you add zero to zero; it never becomes greater."

"Naturally, not everyone's contributions would be equal. And it would probably have to be combined with a degree of uplift."

"Advanced worlds giving technology to less advanced worlds? Why would they?"

"Thanagar frequently uses the less technologically ept lizarkons as infantry and garrison troops. They don't do that because they're egalitarian."

"So we would take on the higher risk operations that don't require more sophisticated technology or knowledge."

"This is just an outline to gauge interest. But do you think that's something that your people might be willing to do?"

"It would be better than simply being occupied. I would need to discuss the specifics before agreeing to anything."

I take a copy of the N.E.M.O. treaty out of subspace and translate it to the local language before-. Passing it to his aide, because that's the local protocol.

"That's the standard treaty that my own military alliance uses. It's worked reasonably well so far."

Though I'm not sure how it will handle the transition to peace. I'm sure that Dox has something in mind, and we've already had some friction from worlds who feel that they can reduce their commitment now that their own worlds aren't being actively threatened. The trade networks mostly make up for it… But honestly we've been lucky that we haven't had any species who were truly irreconcilable. The closest anyone's had to slavery has been debt-bondage, and the people who used that were willing to moderate things a little to lubricate relations with their new colleagues.

"I will see to it that it is distributed and discussed prior to policy formation."

"We would like your permission to sound out other worlds in your name. We would not offer binding agreements of course, but it would be useful if we could say that you were already interested."

"We are always interested in coming to equitable terms with other worlds, it simply isn't practical for us to proactively pursue then. Now, what is the Green Lantern Corps' interest in this matter?"

"I cannot fight an entire empire by myself. The only way I can stop the expansion of the Thanagarian Empire is if I have a battle fleet to fight alongside."

He looks at me. "And the… Orange Lantern Corps?"

"I want a stable universe. That requires a political structure where people cooperate at least a bit, and warmongers get slapped down. I also don't want to have to be the one doing the slapping down personally every single time. The best way I've found to make that happen is regional power blocks who cooperate internally and compete externally in a way that's mostly peaceful."

"Am I to understand that you believe that you could 'slap down' the Thanagarian Empire?"

"Ah, probably. But then I'm a single point of failure in galactic peace, and that's a bad thing because, one, this isn't The Orange Lantern Illustres Show featuring The Rest of the Universe, and two, because I'm not completely immortal and so can't totally guarantee it."

...

"You are immortal?"

"Not completely. I've recovered from physical death twice, but there are still ways to keep me down. And I only have finite time, I can't be everywhere at once, and I'd pretty much have to crush a malefactor rather than just present a threat-in-being that they had to take into account."

"Is immortality..? A technology that can be discovered?"

"Uh…" I take out a rune stone and wave it around. "Maybe? My particular form involves imprinting my consciousness onto the structure of my soul, and then transferring it to an uninhabited clone body when my current meat suit dies. But that's not practical for most people." I shake my head. "A lot of advanced species have forms of life extension, I don't know enough about your species or culture to make suggestions."

"Perhaps we can trade for that as well."

"It's unlikely. Different species would require a good deal of customisation in the approach, even if there were points of commonality. Unless you've got any further questions, we'll make a start on sounding people out."

"Nothing for now-. Ah. What should we do if the Thanagarians return?"

"If they just send a cruiser, keep your ships in port as much as you can. If they send a fleet, surrender as quickly as possible."

Lantern Guarn makes a gesture of partial agreement. "Yes, and use the beacon to signal me in either case. I can either fight them myself, or ask Orange Lantern to aid me."

"We've got two members of the Green Lantern Corps Honour Guard assigned to Earth on a semi-permanent basis. If I'm not available, one of them should be."

"Very well. Thank you for given this matter your time. I pray that you are successful."
 
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Lanterns." He man flares

"The man"

"And the terms remain stable?"

I frown, smiling. "Convenor

"Governor"

"That's the standard treaty that my own military alliance uses. It's worked reasonably well so far."

Though I'm not sure how it will handle the transition to peace

Maybe use them to help maintain peace.

, this isn't The Orange Lantern Illustres Show featuring The Rest of the Universe
It kinda is.
 
14th September 2013
08:59 GMT


The dominant species of this world are pseudo-mammalian, with four arms and faces which put me in mind of a camel. The upper arms are designed for strength, while the lower pair are used for fine object manipulation. Their legs are digitigrade, and they often walk around on legs and knuckles. The person we're waiting to see isn't their president or prime minister, but is more like the United Nations Secretary General; a civil servant appointed by the powers of the world to handle certain administrative matters. Lantern Guarn was able to get us an accelerated interview; his secretary just hung up on me.
An interesting physical configuration. At any rate, it seems the Green Lantern Corps' reputation is a lot more respected here. Presumably Guarn's predecessors made contact once the locals reached a certain level of advancement.

"Lanterns." The man flares his nose in a smile-equivalent, and knocks his major knuckles on the ground in a 'I'm not punching you' gesture of friendliness. "What can Fthaymon do for you?"

I start to open my mouth, then realise that his eyes are focused on Lantern Guarn. Which isn't too surprising; naturally he'd assume that the one he's actually heard of was taking the lead. Well, may as well let him.
Well, we have a name for the planet at least.

"Convenor, there was a ship of the Thanagarian Empire in your system. I believe that it was the source of the raids which your mining settlements have recently been enduring."

The Convenor clenches his minor hands in a gesture of agreement. "You are probably right. We assumed that it was something like that after they kindly offered to annex us. Are they powerful?"
Ah, I see they at least have a concept of sarcasm. 😏

I nod. "They're the most powerful stellar nation in this Sector. But they've recently suffered a military setback and I'm concerned that they might lash out to prove that they've still the top dog."

"And raiding us was intended to apply pressure?"
Yes, almost certainly. It'd be a lot easier for them to punch down on weaker neighbours than try to punch up more advanced cultures.

"Yes, just so. They had a bottleneck which prevented them from expanding their navy above a certain size, and their population isn't all that large. Getting willing compliance in a way which gets them most of what they want and doesn't require them to leave a garrison is the usual way they handle worlds at your level of advancement."
The Nth Metal limitation, yes. So of course they want passive conquests to make things easier.

"And the terms remain stable?"

I frown, smiling. "Convenor"
Ah, he's not of a mind to have his people resist?

"I am not surprised, but there is nothing we can do except grovel in the dirt if they send an actual war fleet."

"That's not entirely true."
He has a point, given they're likely not well-equipped for space combat. The description made it sound like the locals are limited to modest inter-planetary velocities not much past what we can manage. Hard to protect the outer system if it takes weeks to get there.

Lantern Guarn makes a gesture of affirmation. "We wished to speak to you about the idea of combining your efforts with those of other worlds to contain Thanagar."

"A large group of worlds who cannot resist them are not going to be able to resist better just because they combined their efforts. It doesn't matter now many times you add zero to zero; it never becomes greater."
Loving the idioms that come up with all these alien cultures OL's encountering.

"Naturally, not everyone's contributions would be equal. And it would probably have to be combined with a degree of uplift."

"Advanced worlds giving technology to less advanced worlds? Why would they?"
charity is well and good, but most folks want something out of the deal, yes.

"Thanagar frequently uses the less technologically ept lizarkons as infantry and garrison troops. They don't do that because they're egalitarian."

"So we would take on the higher risk operations that don't require more sophisticated technology or knowledge."
...Well, you said it, not them...

"This is just an outline to gauge interest. But do you think that's something that your people might be willing to do?"

"It would be better than simply being occupied. I would need to discuss the specifics before agreeing to anything."
Yes, definitely get anything suggested in writing, too.

I take a copy of the N.E.M.O. treaty out of subspace and translate it to the local language before-. Passing it to his aide, because that's the local protocol.

"That's the standard treaty that my own military alliance uses. It's worked reasonably well so far."
Ah, that's a good start. They can tailor it for the abilities of any signatory to contribute, of course. Say, a species that has incredible talents for navigating and 3d combat, but would fold like wet tissues on the ground...

Though I'm not sure how it will handle the transition to peace. I'm sure that Dox has something in mind, and we've already had some friction from worlds who feel that they can reduce their commitment now that their own worlds aren't being actively threatened. The trade networks mostly make up for it… But honestly we've been lucky that we haven't had any species who were truly irreconcilable. The closest anyone's had to slavery has been debt-bondage, and the people who used that were willing to moderate things a little to lubricate relations with their new colleagues.
If they have a system like that, seeing the cash flow from interstellar trade drying up would likely be a good driving force for their making modest changes.

"I will see to it that it is distributed and discussed prior to policy formation."

"We would like your permission to sound out other worlds in your name. We would not offer binding agreements of course, but it would be useful if we could say that you were already interested."
I expect the first few such cultures they approach will be made the same offer. Easier than a general 'so, we're doing a thing, you want in' without any names to hang it on.

"We are always interested in coming to equitable terms with other worlds, it simply isn't practical for us to proactively pursue then. Now, what is the Green Lantern Corps' interest in this matter?"

"I cannot fight an entire empire by myself. The only way I can stop the expansion of the Thanagarian Empire is if I have a battle fleet to fight alongside."

He looks at me. "And the… Orange Lantern Corps?"
Wonder if he had the inevitable 'They come in more colours than green?' reaction when he first heard of it.

"I want a stable universe. That requires a political structure where people cooperate at least a bit, and warmongers get slapped down. I also don't want to have to be the one doing the slapping down personally every single time. The best way I've found to make that happen is regional power blocks who cooperate internally and compete externally in a way that's mostly peaceful."
He only has so many hours in the day, after all, so he can't spend them all running around tending to brush fires...

"Am I to understand that you believe that you could 'slap down' the Thanagarian Empire?"

"Ah, probably. But then I'm a single point of failure in galactic peace, and that's a bad thing because, one, this isn't The Orange Lantern Illustres Show featuring The Rest of the Universe, and two, because I'm not completely immortal and so can't totally guarantee it."
Hopefully the context of all that comes across properly. I mean, what if a culture doesn't have a concept of fiction that focuses on a sole character rather than an ensemble?

...

"You are immortal?"
...And he instead locks onto that detail. Ah well.

"Not completely. I've recovered from physical death twice, but there are still ways to keep me down. And I only have finite time, I can't be everywhere at once, and I'd pretty much have to crush a malefactor rather than just present a threat-in-being that they had to take into account."
Such crushing inevitably leave harsh feelings in the crushed.

"Is immortality..? A technology that can be discovered?"

"Uh…" I take out a rune stone and wave it around. "Maybe? My particular form involves imprinting my consciousness onto the structure of my soul, and then transferring it to an uninhabited clone body when my current meat suit dies. But that's not practical for most people." I shake my head. "A lot of advanced species have forms of life extension, I don't know enough about your species or culture to make suggestions."
Oh, this seems like a worrisome angle for the Convenor to be following. His species aren't super-short-lived, are they? And likely to get salty over other species having far longer lifespans?

"Perhaps we can trade for that as well."

"It's unlikely. Different species would require a good deal of customisation in the approach, even if there were points of commonality. Unless you've got any further questions, we'll make a start on sounding people out."
Hopefully that doesn't sound like 'Eh, we might have it but we don't feel like sharing' to him.

"Nothing for now-. Ah. What should we do if the Thanagarians return?"

"If they just send a cruiser, keep your ships in port as much as you can. If they send a fleet, surrender as quickly as possible."
Better to avoid causing any loss of life, even if the Thanagarians engage in making a few examples.

Lantern Guarn makes a gesture of partial agreement. "Yes, and use the beacon to signal me in either case. I can either fight them myself, or ask Orange Lantern to aid me."

"We've got two members of the Green Lantern Corps Honour Guard assigned to Earth on a semi-permanent basis. If I'm not available, one of them should be."

"Very well. Thank you for given this matter your time. I pray that you are successful."
Hopefully Hal and Guy don't mind OL making promises of aid for them.

Well, it's not an outright 'No!'. But neither was it an enthusiastic 'Yes.' I suspect a lot of the other polities they approach will be equally non-committal unless the Thanagarians do something unwise. Still, this is going to lay the groundwork for future alliances with any luck, so it's not time completely wasted.
 
Thank you, corrected.
No, that's correct. Convenor. One who convenes things.
I think that word should be removed.
You may well think that, but you'd be wrong. He's implying that the Convenor just said something a little silly, but is doing so in a jovial way because he doesn't believe that it was meant to be taken seriously.
Should be 'apt' I think?
Nope. 'Apt' means 'appropriate'. 'Ept' means 'skilled'.
I don't know if lizarkons should be capitalised.
It shouldn't be, because it's a species name. For example, 'the Turian Hierarchy is the government of the turian species'.
 
Quick question is part of with this ring archived or something m? Asking because it goes up to a certain point on spacebattles and on here it's past that point but I have no idea who the gender changed guy is?
 
Quick question is part of with this ring archived or something m? Asking because it goes up to a certain point on spacebattles and on here it's past that point but I have no idea who the gender changed guy is?
Page one of each thread across SB, SV, and now QQ link to an archive. QQ contains the only archive which is still being updated:
https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-story-only.8961/
The threads on SV and SB are dead. QQ is a precise continuation of those, it is not a rewrite.
 
Quick question is part of with this ring archived or something m? Asking because it goes up to a certain point on spacebattles and on here it's past that point but I have no idea who the gender changed guy is?
The story went from SpaceBattles to Sufficient Velocity to Questionable Questing for various reasons. The changeover occurs at 'Thread 12' in the first post of this thread, and can be accessed from this link here if you want to see the thread as is.
The Current Story Only thread linked there in post 1 for QQ is the fully up-to-date archive thread.
(Please, don't comment on the drama that resulted in the move from SV to QQ, here or there, it's long dead and buried...)
(And Ninja'd by @NightmareWarden. Dang.)
 
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