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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Good god! A Mimbari Howard Roark!
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You don't think the Vorlon's left Minbari undefended, do you?
Which is why she isn't immediately calling Delenn and reporting the claim so Delenn can drag Matthew in front of various technological means they have to infer things.
He would have to tell Delenn what he wanted to do for that, and then convince her that he was being truthful.
As to the documents, this isn't 21st century Earth, anything he fabricates would have to pass Minbari authentication.
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As I said before: if there is anybody in this universe who deserves to be made into a Construct Lantern, it's Deathwalker.
...semi-relatedly, Mr. Zoat, is The Dilgar War canon background for this?
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The Dilgar War definitely happened? Are you referring to something else?
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Did they leave them a way to detect what species a soul taken by a Soul Hunter belongs to?
The only thing they seem to have left them to detect Shadow servants is that triangle thing that showed up on Delenn's forehead when she met Morden.
And that basically showed up a single time. The time she met a Drakh is didn't show up.
And manipulating documents is somehow beyond a power rings abilities?
Come on.
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Yes, they're called Telepaths.
Minbar isn't 2014 Earth...
What exactly is he going to manipulate? The planetary computer systems that are thousands of years more advanced then anything Power Rings have been shown capable of accessing?
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They must absolutely love the ones about the monk who attained enlightenment.
Like: A budhist monk goes to Harveys and asks them to make him one with everything.
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There's a VERY lengthy and very well-done fic on Spacebattles by Lightning_Count that tells the story of the war. About...15 years ago now? It's generally regarded as canon-grade.
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Why didn't all the Lanterns share their ring databases after defeating the Smurf from the beginning of the universe? I'd do the same with my copies if I were them.
P.s. I just read to the part where they mention information sharing. But it still sounds more like a verbal transfer of information than just a quick file transfer to everyone from everyone.
P.s. I just read to the part where they mention information sharing. But it still sounds more like a verbal transfer of information than just a quick file transfer to everyone from everyone.
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And would they be able to read the mind of a soul?
Or even know that they'd need to read it because it's a Shadow servant?
Yeah, because power rings are totally incapable of accessing advanced computer systems.
Except they can.
Unless the Minbari have magic, and I mean actual magic, not techno-mage LARPing, then there's not much that can't be accessed.
Heck, he doesn't need to manipulate computer systems.
He can just have the architect write her plans and then use the ring to age to documents so that they appear to come from when she was alive.
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Reminder, both Lyta and the Vorlon were capable of picking them up.
Feel free to show to Zoat rings being able to access hostile computer's of comparably advanced species.
The Soul Hunters took her two hundred years ago... Not four thousand...
Also, feel free to show Zoat power rings can fabricate things beyond the ability of a species as advanced as the Minbari to detect.
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7th October 2013
18:32 GMT -5
We draw some attention as we float through Tamarus, but not as much as I think Ian is used to. Or that he was expecting. He's staring at everything like a tourist, while Toni… Is looking a bit awkward, and is defensively pulling her jacket around her.
I gesture for Ian to head over to the local park, and fly over to her. "You alright?"
"Yeah..? Just… Self-conscious…" She stares as an athletic tamaranean woman in a bikini floats past, giving us a wave. I wave back. "Oh God, it's like being in the school showers again."
"Ah… Your physical development is within the normal bounds of a young woman your age?"
I get a mild glare, then she goes back to looking around. "How do they all..? Look like this?"
"Good diet, physical exercise, genetic engineering and inadvertent eugenics."
"Eugenics? You mean…? Like..? They kill the ugly on-"
"Nonono."
"-es? Oh, so… What do you mean?"
"The psions claimed that they engineered the first tamaraneans. I don't know if that's true or not, but the tamaraneans don't have a creation myth or creator deity. The nearest thing they have is X'Hal, and they know perfectly well that she isn't capable of creation."
Toni nods as I look around at the city. I don't know how much of this is their own reconstruction planning and how much is Adam Blake, but I wouldn't know that a few years ago this part of the city was a crater being reclaimed by nature. From what I saw, the rest of the world is benefiting from his sagacity in the same way. It all puts my efforts with Hub City in the shade.
"Between all the attacks that Tamaran has suffered, people who couldn't cope, died. People who couldn't adjust to how they needed to live, died. People who weren't as fit as they could make themselves, died. Tamaraneans are relentlessly upbeat in almost all circumstances, strongly inclined towards athleticism because they're so strong naturally that it actually impeded their technological development but left them looking like..."
A couple of tamaranean men flying past in their pants recognise me and wave. I wave back.
"Swim suit models."
"…yeah."
"If you like, I can get Artemis and Robin to suggest exercise programs? Artemis used to wear a costume that exposed her stomach so you know that she didn't have any issues."
"Yeah, I g-." She frowns. "Didn't you give them super strength?"
"Yes."
"Can't you do that for me?"
"Ah, not reliably. As you're a metahuman… That is to say, your physiological-."
"You can't do it because you-" She nods. "-don't know how my body will react."
"And since you're not eighteen, you can't just tell me to eyeball it." I shrug while smiling apologetically. "Sorry."
"Maybe I can get these chicks to tell me their diet plan."
"Ah, you could, but it's basically 'no refined sugar, added fat or labour-saving machinery'."
She nods. "Fruit, vegetables… Is meat okay?"
"As long as it's fresh." Hm. Alright, in Wanted that was part of the villain training… "Ah, how would you feel about doing a shift in a slaughterhouse?"
"Pretty bad?"
"I ask because when we were dealing with Anarky's mind control crystals we came across Anarky impaled on a spear. Toyman was extremely distressed, which is perfectly normal but if the same thing happened to you it might be a distraction."
"I've seen dead people before."
"Yes, but did you see people who'd been torn apart?"
"… No. Do I..? Need to? I mean, is that just something that happens?"
"I saw bullet-ridden corpses with blood pouring out on my first mission with the team. It's not quite the same as seeing someone's insides outside, but in terms to how messed up it is, it's getting there."
"And… Um. Is that..? Normal?"
"For what? I mean… Not wanting to give anyone's secret identity away here, but Batman and Superman both started at twenty-one. Diana was sixteen when she joined in with World War Two. Robin… Ah. Wasn't yet in his teens when he started as Robin."
"Seriously?"
"Yah. I understand that other members of the League have made it clear how unimpressed they are about that. I-."
My ring blinks.
"Ah, just to be clear, you don't have to, but freezing up in a firefight can get you and everyone with you killed." I raise my left hand. "Answer."
Alan's face appears. "Paul, where are you right now?"
"Tamaran, with my students. Is something happening?"
"Ah, maybe. This is.. gunna sound a bit strange, but… Did you cure Alzheimer's?"
"Not that I remember."
He frowns. "I thought you-." He freezes, and then nods, laughing. "Right, right, but… Did you?"
"No. I can cure neural degeneration in a single individual easily enough, but that wouldn't undo the basic tendency of the human body to self-destruct. Why do you ask?"
"Did you give something called an 'eye drive' to the League's commercial development team?"
"Oh, yeah, back in my first year. It's supposed to protect the person using it from memory wipes. I put it together after our first fight with Psimon. I just integrate it into my armour now…"
Wait…
"But it.. might help with Alzheimer's..? Early and mid stages, anyway. It wouldn't help once things got into the later stages… Honestly, it might help with normal age-related memory loss too."
"Yeah, that's what they're telling me. Catherine's… Having a bit of an.. episode. You don't need to drop everything right now, but you should probably head to the Hall of Justice… Ah, when you can."
Huh.
"Alright, sure. Probably be a couple of hours. Can you keep her calm until then?"
"Yes, but for once she's happy that you're giving her extra work. Good work, Paul."
And his face vanishes.
Huh.
Hooray for me, I guess.
18:32 GMT -5
We draw some attention as we float through Tamarus, but not as much as I think Ian is used to. Or that he was expecting. He's staring at everything like a tourist, while Toni… Is looking a bit awkward, and is defensively pulling her jacket around her.
I gesture for Ian to head over to the local park, and fly over to her. "You alright?"
"Yeah..? Just… Self-conscious…" She stares as an athletic tamaranean woman in a bikini floats past, giving us a wave. I wave back. "Oh God, it's like being in the school showers again."
"Ah… Your physical development is within the normal bounds of a young woman your age?"
I get a mild glare, then she goes back to looking around. "How do they all..? Look like this?"
"Good diet, physical exercise, genetic engineering and inadvertent eugenics."
"Eugenics? You mean…? Like..? They kill the ugly on-"
"Nonono."
"-es? Oh, so… What do you mean?"
"The psions claimed that they engineered the first tamaraneans. I don't know if that's true or not, but the tamaraneans don't have a creation myth or creator deity. The nearest thing they have is X'Hal, and they know perfectly well that she isn't capable of creation."
Toni nods as I look around at the city. I don't know how much of this is their own reconstruction planning and how much is Adam Blake, but I wouldn't know that a few years ago this part of the city was a crater being reclaimed by nature. From what I saw, the rest of the world is benefiting from his sagacity in the same way. It all puts my efforts with Hub City in the shade.
"Between all the attacks that Tamaran has suffered, people who couldn't cope, died. People who couldn't adjust to how they needed to live, died. People who weren't as fit as they could make themselves, died. Tamaraneans are relentlessly upbeat in almost all circumstances, strongly inclined towards athleticism because they're so strong naturally that it actually impeded their technological development but left them looking like..."
A couple of tamaranean men flying past in their pants recognise me and wave. I wave back.
"Swim suit models."
"…yeah."
"If you like, I can get Artemis and Robin to suggest exercise programs? Artemis used to wear a costume that exposed her stomach so you know that she didn't have any issues."
"Yeah, I g-." She frowns. "Didn't you give them super strength?"
"Yes."
"Can't you do that for me?"
"Ah, not reliably. As you're a metahuman… That is to say, your physiological-."
"You can't do it because you-" She nods. "-don't know how my body will react."
"And since you're not eighteen, you can't just tell me to eyeball it." I shrug while smiling apologetically. "Sorry."
"Maybe I can get these chicks to tell me their diet plan."
"Ah, you could, but it's basically 'no refined sugar, added fat or labour-saving machinery'."
She nods. "Fruit, vegetables… Is meat okay?"
"As long as it's fresh." Hm. Alright, in Wanted that was part of the villain training… "Ah, how would you feel about doing a shift in a slaughterhouse?"
"Pretty bad?"
"I ask because when we were dealing with Anarky's mind control crystals we came across Anarky impaled on a spear. Toyman was extremely distressed, which is perfectly normal but if the same thing happened to you it might be a distraction."
"I've seen dead people before."
"Yes, but did you see people who'd been torn apart?"
"… No. Do I..? Need to? I mean, is that just something that happens?"
"I saw bullet-ridden corpses with blood pouring out on my first mission with the team. It's not quite the same as seeing someone's insides outside, but in terms to how messed up it is, it's getting there."
"And… Um. Is that..? Normal?"
"For what? I mean… Not wanting to give anyone's secret identity away here, but Batman and Superman both started at twenty-one. Diana was sixteen when she joined in with World War Two. Robin… Ah. Wasn't yet in his teens when he started as Robin."
"Seriously?"
"Yah. I understand that other members of the League have made it clear how unimpressed they are about that. I-."
My ring blinks.
"Ah, just to be clear, you don't have to, but freezing up in a firefight can get you and everyone with you killed." I raise my left hand. "Answer."
Alan's face appears. "Paul, where are you right now?"
"Tamaran, with my students. Is something happening?"
"Ah, maybe. This is.. gunna sound a bit strange, but… Did you cure Alzheimer's?"
"Not that I remember."
He frowns. "I thought you-." He freezes, and then nods, laughing. "Right, right, but… Did you?"
"No. I can cure neural degeneration in a single individual easily enough, but that wouldn't undo the basic tendency of the human body to self-destruct. Why do you ask?"
"Did you give something called an 'eye drive' to the League's commercial development team?"
"Oh, yeah, back in my first year. It's supposed to protect the person using it from memory wipes. I put it together after our first fight with Psimon. I just integrate it into my armour now…"
Wait…
"But it.. might help with Alzheimer's..? Early and mid stages, anyway. It wouldn't help once things got into the later stages… Honestly, it might help with normal age-related memory loss too."
"Yeah, that's what they're telling me. Catherine's… Having a bit of an.. episode. You don't need to drop everything right now, but you should probably head to the Hall of Justice… Ah, when you can."
Huh.
"Alright, sure. Probably be a couple of hours. Can you keep her calm until then?"
"Yes, but for once she's happy that you're giving her extra work. Good work, Paul."
And his face vanishes.
Huh.
Hooray for me, I guess.
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I haven't read it, so no.
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This is a pleasant surprise. I don't remember Paul doing this. Anyone remember when this happened?
Edit: Found it. It was in Episode 22: Minutes. Paul had it made with M'gann's help and he brought it out for himself and Kon to use in case Genomorphs tried to mess with their heads.
Edit 2: Forgot to add a link.
Edit 3: Just noticed this error.
That should say 'They'.
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I need one of those eyedrives. I don't remember who Catherine is.
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Ah, OL wasn't joking when he suggested taking his rookies to see Tamaran for themselves. And they're feeling like they're standing out a bit, I see. I mean, the Face is probably happy to be treated halfway normally, but Argent...
...Ah, just feeling incredibly frumpy in comparison to Tamaraneans.
Don't worry, that isn't uncommon.Looking at the locals, she'd probably rather be overdeveloped, I suspect.
Nothing so Spartan.
More as a science experiment, but if you're already tinkering with their genes, why not make them aesthetically pleasing?
Well, you are working with human limitations. I'm sure if OL felt motivated enough, he could build the entire city in a day. But he's leaving it to normal folks.
Though that same psychology does have drawbacks. Pains are forgotten quickly, joys linger and emotions are deep yet shallow, if that makes sense. They feel strongly, but briefly. At least in some depictions.
And by 'pants', he means 'tiny shorts that wouldn't look out of place in a sportswear section'. If Toni's reaction didn't clue you in.
That doesn't mean they can't provide you advise on physical improvement. They're both more than just muscles.
Not least the non-human physiology aspects that gives her her power expression. The process that creates her plasma fields can't be purely telekinetic or Spectrum manipulation.
Now, in a couple of years' time, he can do some experiments.
That is, not modern food. Food made on the day it's consumed from fresh ingredients. Even the meat.
Hmm? Where's that coming from?
Ah, I see. Acclimatising them to the results of gross physical damage.
Not often, but it can.
Let's just say 'stuff you wouldn't see on Youtube' for example. The kind of thing that appeared on sites like LiveLeak, rather...
That happens when your parents get murdered by mobsters right in front of The Goddamn Batman.
Oh, I bet they did. Still didn't stop Bats.
Oh, dear. Is this urgent business, or does he have time to transport the kids home?
...Huh. That's somethign i thought Alan could have done himself. Unless he doesn't feel confident enough to do it.
I suspect it's something that most alien races have resolved by the time they reach interstellar levels.
...I'll admit, it's hard to keep track of everything that's happened. I don't remember this but it probably happened sometime.
Ah. Well, that makes sense. I'm guessing they never really did anything with it.
I'm with Ardy here. Who's 'Catherine' and why is Alan so worried? A search of the DC Wiki didn't offer any clues.
...Okay, from context, she's someone who's shocked this 'Eye Drive' thing was just sitting in the League's design library, potential ignored.
Probably a little surprised that anyone realised the potential real-world applications for some of his tech concepts.
From the sounds of it, someone with technical know-how or neurological sciences training was looking over the League's files and found the Eye Drive, then cottoned on to the uses for it in Alzheimer's treatment. I'm sure we'll see what's going on soon and hopefully get some light shed on this mystery.
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Catherine Cobert is the Justice League's public affairs officer.
The eye drive is a creation based on something from Doctor Who made using Martian tech. It records what the wearer sees and if it detects that the wearer doesn't remember what is in the device's memory, a copy of said missing info is implanted in the wearer's mind.
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Guessing Catherine is Cat Grant. Surprised Alan's on first name terms with her.
Also, how did OL safely teleport Ian amd Fony to Tamaran? When the Sivanas went to Maltus they needed special protective suits.
Also, how did OL safely teleport Ian amd Fony to Tamaran? When the Sivanas went to Maltus they needed special protective suits.
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While they were alive. Not when they were basically a marble
Yes, because after dvetuthibg that's been shown about power rings, hacking into Minbari computers, or aging up a document is just going too far.
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He's a lot smarter than you and has the unconditional support of a whole planet.
I remember in Assimilation that apparently Tamaranean metallurgy lagged behind due to their strength making most metals easily bendable or breakable, so they either used bones or a paste made from bones for construction.
It was only in their Renaissance period where someone figured out how to combine the bone/paste and metal, so he managed to create an actually practical material.
Artemis may not want to share tips on training, since it's most likely very traumatic.
'feel'
Brienne from Asoiaf went through something similar where her trainer told her to butcher animals.
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It's one thing when you're on Earth interacting with normal folks and can still view the supers as exceptional.
Tamaran is another thing.
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Plus she's only been a superhero for a short time, so she may currently look like an athletic, but fairly average young woman.
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'in terms'
Add a " at the end of Alan's sentence.
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And she is a teenager. Having body image issues is pretty standard at that age.
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Yeah her having these self-critical thoughts makes sense for her age. It would just make more sense if she had them once she started to socialize with other heroes who are the top 1 percent of human beauty standards.
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Thank you, corrected.
Artemis would share tops. She doesn't wear those ones now anyway.
In the comic Wanted, part of Wesley's training was working in a slaughterhouse. Another part was being tied to a chair and beaten.
While a member of Justice League International, Blue Beetle canonically developed a paunch and had to diet and exercise to get rid of it.