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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Well...I suppose technically-

There's a machine - I forget if it's part of the Great Machine? - that can transform someone's species. It's used twice. Once by Delenn to become, basically, a human-minbari hybrid, and once by Sinclair to go from full human to full Minbari - the 'Minbari not born of Minbar' - and thus become Valen, then hijacking the unstuck-in-time Babylon 4 and sending it back in time a thousand years using the Great Machine to win the first Shadow War.

And get busy with it, given the 'Children of Valen' thing-
The three Triluminary and Chrysalis device were brought into the past by Zathras, their actual origin however is never explored in the show/movies.

Outside of show/movies, they were manufactured by the Great Machine using blueprints the Vorlons left in its databanks.
 
Worms (part 8) New
8th October 2013
12:31 GMT -5

Senator Monetti smirks as I sit down across from him in the Philadelphia branch of Big Belly Burger. The south-west Big Belly Burger in Philadelphia, I should say. Much like Sundollar Coffee, a city this size will inevitably sprout several of the places.

"Orange Lantern. We keep having lunch together, my wife's gunna want an explanation."

I unwrap my own burger and wave it. "What's this about me curing Alzheimer's Disease?"

He sits back, frowning. "What, you didn't know?"

"I know now."

I take a bite of the… Fat-rich pork burger, as the Senator considers his approach.

"Star Labs Philadelphia does R&D work on super technology, sometimes for the Justice League. After a thing a couple of years ago where some failed mad scientist made a giant monster out of toxic waste, they took the job of working out how the hell that happened. Thing is, the monster wasn't quite as dead as they thought it was."

I nod. I remember the League's file on the encounter.

"Ever since then, I've kept an eye on the place. And I think everyone who lives here has too. The prototype… What'd'ya call it? Eye Drive?" I nod. "It ended up there. I think I might of seen it when you first handed it over." He shakes his head. "Didn't think about it until I had my security guys do a background check on you. You know about my mother?" I nod again. "Star Labs weren't doing anything with it, so I thought I'd give 'em a kick up the ass."

"Did they actually get F.D.A. approval for human testing?"

"Nah. I don't think they've even started animal testing yet." He leans closer. "What I wanna know is, how come you haven't pushed it harder?"

"There's only so much time in the day, and I'm not a physician. It didn't occur to me that it would be useful for people with cognitive decay-related conditions. Maybe if I'd.. ended up having to use it more, but I didn't."

"That 'Simon Jones' guy, you said."

I nod. "That's the fellow."

"I don't suppose you've got a whole load of test data, do you?"

"Not a lot. I submitted everything I had at the time. I can see if Doctor Morrow has anything else he'd like to share."

"I thought he was dead."

"Technically, but so what?"

He looks nonplussed. "Alright, if you say it's not a problem…" He sighs. "But it's still gunna be about a decade before anything gets final approval. Longer, if the regular scientists can't understand it. Can Morrow turn up in the office?"

"I can ask, but in theory, yes."

"Is he gunna stink up the place?"

"No, he-. You know how Lanterns can make constructs?"

"Like, when you make things with your rings? Sure."

"Orange Lanterns can turn people into constructs. It's not exactly photogenic, and I prefer not to use it on anything that isn't a monster. But my ring got stolen a couple of years ago by a career criminal named Nylor Truggs-" Who I haven't seen for a while. So he's probably planning something. "-and he decided that he didn't want Doctor Morrow to die. So he turned him into a construct, mind, body and soul. And when I got the ring back, he became mine."

He frowns. "You can't own a guy."

"I can't legally own a guy. And I make a point of not exercising authority over him, and left him in the care of his youngest surviving son. But, de facto? I can control him as much as I want to whenever I want to, and I can't turn it off."

"You..? You said, his soul?"

"Yes. The souls is ultimately just a mass of magic energy. There are any number of things that can directly affect it."

"And you can't..? Turn it off or something?"

"I can't. The people who made power rings can't. I know of.. one alien king who can, because God gave him that power, but he doesn't like doing it because he thinks we'll start using the ability casually if he reverts people every time. But the point is that he is available for consultation."

"Okay. So, maybe in nine years they'll get approval. Is that something… You can do something about?"

"…like what?"

"Like you said, the League's got effective carte blanche to do whatever you want. I don't wanna do anything unsafe, but I also know that F.D.A. rules weren't written with power rings in mind. I tried making noise with the Senate committee, but the chairwoman shot me down."

"I can't personally require the F.D.A. to do anything. The League isn't a replacement executive, it's more of a replacement system. If it uses its power that way."

"And they don't wanna."

"Most of them are idealistic Americans. If the F.D.A. was openly not fit for purpose, it might be possible to persuade them… Otherwise… It is a cybernetic brain add-on. There are all sorts of ways that something like that can go wrong."

"But you used it anyway."

"I have a power ring. I can fix most things if something goes wrong. That's not something I can necessarily do for other people."

"You know…" He shifts in his seat, clearly uncomfortable. "I get.. I'm lucky. My mom survived Anti-Life, and God knows it wasn't because Mannheim was trying to keep her alive like he was us on Capital Hill. And she's still mostly there. Takes her a moment some days, but I've never dropped by her apartment and had her not recognize me at all. But that day is coming. And I think my daughter's had it happen to her."

I… I don't…

"If… Your mother's judgement is impaired, I assume that you have power of attorney?"

"Yeah."

"And you understand that… A senator asking for someone to use a treatment on a member of his family that's not available to anyone else is… That's got to be a violation of something."

"Probably. But it's Mom, so I don't give a rat's ass. Given what some people get away with, I think arranging better medical treatment for my Mom would probably improve my approval rating. Or, Hell, I can quit. The real money's in lobbying."

"Yeah, that… Makes sense. Er. No promises. I'll… Talk to people on my end, and… Is it alright if I visit your mother?"

"Yeah, sure. She probably won't remember it anyway. I'll tell her nurse you'll be dropping by."

"Thank you."

"Look, there's… I don't think I can offer you anything you can't just do for yourself. And you've already got my first born. But if you do this… I'll owe you. A lot."

I nod slowly. "I'll… Bear that in mind."
 
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Why not just heal her? Paul is perfectly capable of both healing her brain, and, if he wants, reverting her to 20 year old of age and giving her extended lifespan, superstrength, toughness and regeneration. He has done all of those things to other people, sometimes accidentally. Just make it clear that he can't / doesn't want / isn't logistically capable of doing it on the mass scale.
 
Why not just heal her? Paul is perfectly capable of both healing her brain, and, if he wants, reverting her to 20 year old of age and giving her extended lifespan, superstrength, toughness and regeneration. He has done all of those things to other people, sometimes accidentally. Just make it clear that he can't / doesn't want / isn't logistically capable of doing it on the mass scale.
He can't heal parts of the brain that are gone unless he knows exactly what they looked like before the damage. Sure he could do all those things but that would not restore the Woman she once was. Her lost memories would never come back.
 
And that is how it starts...how the worms get their hooks in you

Good pont.

Heck, it's how a lot of scams start.

One side convinces another one to do something, but they also convince them that they don't have to see the finer details of how it's going to be done.

Though the fact that Paul and his students have been been working with Uncle Sam could potentially solve that issue.

Why not just heal her? Paul is perfectly capable of both healing her brain, and, if he wants, reverting her to 20 year old of age and giving her extended lifespan, superstrength, toughness and regeneration. He has done all of those things to other people, sometimes accidentally. Just make it clear that he can't / doesn't want / isn't logistically capable of doing it on the mass scale.
Maybe the fact that there's now a way to mass produce such a service can make him feel different about it.
 
He can't heal parts of the brain that are gone unless he knows exactly what they looked like before the damage. Sure he could do all those things but that would not restore the Woman she once was. Her lost memories would never come back.
Her degenerative conditions isn't that far progressed yet. He can do the same he did with the unwilling venom victim he encountered early in his career and restore the missing brain parts to the best condition possible. He could also Danner enhance her - Danner formula comes with (slow) regeneration of at least partially magical nature (because the Danner formula itself is magical) which should at least stop the degeneration and let the brain heal over time. He could restore her youth without touching the brain structure, and let the natural brain plasticity take care of healing. On a bit more extreme level, he could Lazarus pit her.
 
Still haven't caught up with the thread yet, but I noticed this about Amon.
"Adom… He says he hears the gods literally speaking with him. But Captain Marvel does not."

"As I understand it, Jebediah used different versions of the empowerment spell on them."

"I do not hear them as Adom does. I have.. tried.. setting the power aside, and I am wiser with it than without it, but I do not hear a voice."
From Hoard
"You want me to hit you with my lightning?" William nods. "Okay, I-." His head jerks slightly. "Ah. Lord Zehuti says that he doesn't think it works like that."
From Regnancy.

I don't know if it's an inconsistency or not, I may have missed it being mentioned Amon getting in contact with Zehuti, or he could've developed it offscreen.
 
Her degenerative conditions isn't that far progressed yet. He can do the same he did with the unwilling venom victim he encountered early in his career and restore the missing brain parts to the best condition possible. He could also Danner enhance her - Danner formula comes with (slow) regeneration of at least partially magical nature (because the Danner formula itself is magical) which should at least stop the degeneration and let the brain heal over time. He could restore her youth without touching the brain structure, and let the natural brain plasticity take care of healing. On a bit more extreme level, he could Lazarus pit her.
Huh, I assumed it had progressed a bit further than that. If not then yes, fully restoring her should be possible. You should be right about the Lazarus pit, it it can resurrect the dead healing dementia would be child plays ,but there would still be risks right? Is the regeneration granted by the Danner formula really that potent?
 
Thank you, corrected.
Why not just heal her? Paul is perfectly capable of both healing her brain, and, if he wants, reverting her to 20 year old of age and giving her extended lifespan, superstrength, toughness and regeneration. He has done all of those things to other people, sometimes accidentally. Just make it clear that he can't / doesn't want / isn't logistically capable of doing it on the mass scale.
Sure, he could do that. The physical elements of Alzheimer's are well known. Remove a few protein molecules, add a few stem cells, and while the sufferer won't get back what they've lost, they could recover things and regain capacities. Grayven fixed a woman with a more severe form of the condition. But that's not much use for the species as a whole. He wouldn't care enough to fix everyone, whereas a couple of factories could make enough Eye Drives for everyone in America. Doing it himself would also encourage total dependence on him, which he's trying to avoid.
From Hoard

From Regnancy.

I don't know if it's an inconsistency or not, I may have missed it being mentioned Amon getting in contact with Zehuti, or he could've developed it offscreen.
Er...

Let's... Say that since he life stopped sucking he's gotten more involved in Adom's religion, and Zehuti decided than making a direct connection manually was worthwhile.
 
8th October 2013
12:31 GMT -5


Senator Monetti smirks as I sit down across from him in the Philadelphia branch of Big Belly Burger. The south-west Big Belly Burger in Philadelphia, I should say. Much like Sundollar Coffee, a city this size will inevitably sprout several of the places.

"Orange Lantern. We keep having lunch together, my wife's gunna want an explanation."
I think if she thought you were having a thing with a young superhero, she'd be a little more concerned. At this point, it's just business. Now, to hear about the details from the horse's mouth.

I unwrap my own burger and wave it. "What's this about me curing Alzheimer's Disease?"

He sits back, frowning. "What, you didn't know?"
Heh. Down-to-earth for a sitting senator.

"I know now."

I take a bite of the… Fat-rich pork burger, as the Senator considers his approach.
No doubt OL is deleting any unpleasant aspects of the meal for his own sanity...

"Star Labs Philadelphia does R&D work on super technology, sometimes for the Justice League. After a thing a couple of years ago where some failed mad scientist made a giant monster out of toxic waste, they took the job of working out how the hell that happened. Thing is, the monster wasn't quite as dead as they thought it was."
Ah, Chemo. At least no-one's dropped him on a city wired to explode... Yet.

I nod. I remember the League's file on the encounter.

"Ever since then, I've kept an eye on the place. And I think everyone who lives here has too. The prototype… What'd'ya call it? Eye Drive?" I nod. "It ended up there. I think I might of seen it when you first handed it over." He shakes his head. "Didn't think about it until I had my security guys do a background check on you. You know about my mother?" I nod again. "Star Labs weren't doing anything with it, so I thought I'd give 'em a kick up the ass."
Ah, personal motivations. And while he may have had good intentions, that probably still birthed a worm or two in the Heartlands.

"Did they actually get F.D.A. approval for human testing?"

"Nah. I don't think they've even started animal testing yet." He leans closer. "What I wanna know is, how come you haven't pushed it harder?"
...Because he didn't think of it? OL isn't all-knowing, he's only human under all the powerups.

"There's only so much time in the day, and I'm not a physician. It didn't occur to me that it would be useful for people with cognitive decay-related conditions. Maybe if I'd.. ended up having to use it more, but I didn't."

"That 'Simon Jones' guy, you said."
Though if I remember right, he's not a going concern any more.

I nod. "That's the fellow."

"I don't suppose you've got a whole load of test data, do you?"

"Not a lot. I submitted everything I had at the time. I can see if Doctor Morrow has anything else he'd like to share."
And given that the majority of that scan data was himself, that's not overly reliable data variation, really.

"I thought he was dead."

"Technically, but so what?"
Admittedly, death isn't cheap in this universe, even for OL.

He looks nonplussed. "Alright, if you say it's not a problem…" He sighs. "But it's still gunna be about a decade before anything gets final approval. Longer, if the regular scientists can't understand it. Can Morrow turn up in the office?"

"I can ask, but in theory, yes."
Just a matter of motivation.

"Is he gunna stink up the place?"

"No, he-. You know how Lanterns can make constructs?"

"Like, when you make things with your rings? Sure."
Ah, how much to say to him in this case... I doubt Construct Lanterns are state secrets.

"Orange Lanterns can turn people into constructs. It's not exactly photogenic, and I prefer not to use it on anything that isn't a monster. But my ring got stolen a couple of years ago by a career criminal named Nylor Truggs-" Who I haven't seen for a while. So he's probably planning something. "-and he decided that he didn't want Doctor Morrow to die. So he turned him into a construct, mind, body and soul. And when I got the ring back, he became mine."
Probably the best way to put it, really.

He frowns. "You can't own a guy."

"I can't legally own a guy. And I make a point of not exercising authority over him, and left him in the care of his youngest surviving son. But, de facto? I can control him as much as I want to whenever I want to, and I can't turn it off."
And that would involve having to work out the legal status of formerly-sophont Construct Lanterns anyway.

"You..? You said, his soul?"

"Yes. The souls is ultimately just a mass of magic energy. There are any number of things that can directly affect it."

"And you can't..? Turn it off or something?"
Only by storing them in his Ring, and I doubt OL wants to get the memory dump from Morrow anytime soon.

"I can't. The people who made power rings can't. I know of.. one alien king who can, because God gave him that power, but he doesn't like doing it because he thinks we'll start using the ability casually if he reverts people every time. But the point is that he is available for consultation."
Yeah, Highfather isn't gonna lend a hand anytime soon.

"Okay. So, maybe in nine years they'll get approval. Is that something… You can do something about?"

"…like what?"
Well... He is a Justice League affiliate. He can put in a good word with the management.

"Like you said, the League's got effective carte blanche to do whatever you want. I don't wanna do anything unsafe, but I also know that F.D.A. rules weren't written with power rings in mind. I tried making noise with the Senate committee, but the chairwoman shot me down."
And well they should, as that's seriously pushing the limits.

"I can't personally require the F.D.A. to do anything. The League isn't a replacement executive, it's more of a replacement system. If it uses its power that way."

"And they don't wanna."
they're hesitant to alter the status quo, after all.

"Most of them are idealistic Americans. If the F.D.A. was openly not fit for purpose, it might be possible to persuade them… Otherwise… It is a cybernetic brain add-on. There are all sorts of ways that something like that can go wrong."

"But you used it anyway."

"I have a power ring. I can fix most things if something goes wrong. That's not something I can necessarily do for other people."
Not without worthwhile motivation.

"You know…" He shifts in his seat, clearly uncomfortable. "I get.. I'm lucky. My mom survived Anti-Life, and God knows it wasn't because Mannheim was trying to keep her alive like he was us on Capital Hill. And she's still mostly there. Takes her a moment some days, but I've never dropped by her apartment and had her not recognize me at all. But that day is coming. And I think my daughter's had it happen to her."
Grim outcome. And it's something that happens to a lot of people. If OL's tech can help counter that someday...

I… I don't…

"If… Your mother's judgement is impaired, I assume that you have power of attorney?"
Ah, offering his services on a personal level. That's a worrying level of potential corruption.

"Yeah."

"And you understand that… A senator asking for someone to use a treatment on a member of his family that's not available to anyone else is… That's got to be a violation of something."
It could look real bad if things came out.

"Probably. But it's Mom, so I don't give a rat's ass. Given what some people get away with, I think arranging better medical treatment for my Mom would probably improve my approval rating. Or, Hell, I can quit. The real money's in lobbying."

"Yeah, that… Makes sense. Er. No promises. I'll… Talk to people on my end, and… Is it alright if I visit your mother?"
At the very least, OL can make an initial survey of Missus Monetti's condition.

"Yeah, sure. She probably won't remember it anyway. I'll tell her nurse you'll be dropping by."

"Thank you."
He could find she's not viable for Ring-based treatment.

"Look, there's… I don't think I can offer you anything you can't just do for yourself. And you've already got my first born. But if you do this… I'll owe you. A lot."

I nod slowly. "I'll… Bear that in mind."
That's a big piece of leverage should it come down to needing it.

Well, I guess OL is going to be checking her out at least. See if he can do anything to help her without the Eye Drive tech. I expect he'll take the time to consider the consequences before doing it, though... Or he could just OL it and fallout bedamned. Either way, I suspect there'll be a new worm or two in the Heartlands from all this.
 
He looks nonplussed. "Alright, if you say it's not a problem…" He sighs. "But it's still gunna be about a decade before anything gets final approval. Longer, if the regular scientists can't understand it. Can Morrow turn up in the office?"
Someone might want to inform Mr Zoat that the Eye Drive would be classified as a Class 3 (high risk) medical device, and those only take about 180 days to a year for FDA approval.
 
Someone might want to inform Mr Zoat that the Eye Drive would be classified as a Class 3 (high risk) medical device, and those only take about 180 days to a year for FDA approval.
This is basically comic book supertech.

I'm guessing that takes a while longer ro approve for widespread use.

Especially since it was mentioned that a drug created in Aberrance that can regenerate flesh caused a guy to explode, so people may want to be extra careful about the potential danger of someone's brain jumping from their body.
 
Someone might want to inform Mr Zoat that the Eye Drive would be classified as a Class 3 (high risk) medical device, and those only take about 180 days to a year for FDA approval.

That's assuming all the necessary clinical trials have been conducted properly and sufficient data has been collected for the FDA to review and approve. And those usually take a few years.
 

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