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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Vaermina said:
Do I really need to point out how bad Paul is at dealing with people he can't just bribe or browbeat into submission in one way or another?

Fact is, Paul just doesn't realize at this point in his descent that what someone want's often isn't what they need.

I mean hell, look at what's happening here, Kara rather obviously wants normalcy and to suppress what happened, and Paul's answer to that was to first get her work in the exact thing she did on Krypton, and then when that understandably made things worse. To try taking her to other planets that would be closer to what Krypton was like.

But of course if Zoat plays this straight that will also make things worse.

Because what Kara wants is pretty much the last thing she needs to deal with what actually happened.
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Wow, Paul's doing good and Vaermina disapproves, it must be a day that ends in Y.
 
Vaermina said:
I mean hell, look at what's happening here, Kara rather obviously wants normalcy and to suppress what happened, and Paul's answer to that was to first get her work in the exact thing she did on Krypton, and then when that understandably made things worse. To try taking her to other planets that would be closer to what Krypton was like.

But of course if Zoat plays this straight that will also make things worse.

Because what Kara wants is pretty much the last thing she needs to deal with what actually happened.
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Honestly you might be right that it's not what Kara needs, but I still think it might help, and at least shouldn't make it particularly worse.

And personally, my response would be "suppression is a bad coping mechanism... if you do it poorly." Properly and permanently suppressing things works quite well, though it might make some people see you as a bit cold.

Of course, that's quite hard to do sometimes, especially with something as significant as losing your entire planet. Really makes me annoyed that none of these advanced civilizations have any proper sophotech to use. Where are the Thought-Lathes, Addiction-B-Gone pills, and Trauma-Suppressors? Seriously, a little bit of memory suppression would do wonders here; not like she has to forget Krypton, just make it a little less prominent.

Sitting in a room talking to people is only the best way to handle psychological problems if you have no idea how to treat the source of the problem. Namely, the brain. Resorting to it when you have such advanced technology and knowledge at your disposal is like having all of medical science at your fingertips and deciding to try homeopathy.
 
Buggy123 said:
Honestly you might be right that it's not what Kara needs, but I still think it might help, and at least shouldn't make it particularly worse.

And personally, my response would be "suppression is a bad coping mechanism... if you do it poorly." Properly and permanently suppressing things works quite well, though it might make some people see you as a bit cold.

Of course, that's quite hard to do sometimes, especially with something as significant as losing your entire planet. Really makes me annoyed that none of these advanced civilizations have any proper sophotech to use. Where are the Thought-Lathes, Addiction-B-Gone pills, and Trauma-Suppressors? Seriously, a little bit of memory suppression would do wonders here; not like she has to forget Krypton, just make it a little less prominent.

Sitting in a room talking to people is only the best way to handle psychological problems if you have no idea how to treat the source of the problem. Namely, the brain. Resorting to it when you have such advanced technology and knowledge at your disposal is like having all of medical science at your fingertips and deciding to try homeopathy.
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She's a Kryptonian, and not just a regular Kryptonian, but a Kryptonian under a yellow sun.

Meaning she has a photographic memory as a standard feature and anything other then her own natural healing or magic is likely to be undone via her own biology acting against it.
 
Vaermina said:
She's a Kryptonian, and not just a regular Kryptonian, but a Kryptonian under a yellow sun.

Meaning she has a photographic memory as a standard feature and anything other then her own natural healing or magic is likely to be undone via her own biology acting against it.
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Earth 16 kryptonians are different though (weaker at the very least).
 
Mr Zoat said:
Neither Melinoë nor Donna have a criminal past, and the SI hit on both of them.
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Melinoë basically tortured a guy in front of him(in Poseidonis where stuff like that is a crime) and it was a Prince Pavlos of Themyscira who hit on Donna and he had an entire different set of memories .

I was mostly joking, but an more fitting example of a non non-criminal he hit on would be M'gann in Bialya after he lost his memories before he build that giant naked statue of himself.
 
Aeess said:
Melinoë basically tortured a guy in front of him(in Poseidonis where stuff like that is a crime) and it was a Prince Pavlos of Themyscira who hit on Donna and he had an entire different set of memories .

I was mostly joking, but an more fitting example of a non non-criminal he hit on would be M'gann in Bialya after he lost his memories before he build that giant naked statue of himself.
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Yeah, but she's the goddess of nightmares, and he insulted her. Pretty sure it's legal for her to respond however she wants. And if not, will retroactively be legal the moment Orin has his first nightmare.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Yeah, but she's the goddess of nightmares, and he insulted her. Pretty sure it's legal for her to respond however she wants. And if not, will retroactively be legal the moment Orin has his first nightmare.
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He didn't insult her, he just told them he was busy and that he is going to talk about it with Sephtian. She basically tortured him for not immidatly doing what they want. Also she is a greek nymph, religious Atlanteans follow the roman gods. Allowing some nymph from a foreign pantheon to torture one of his people would basically goes against Orin's obligation as king and as superhero. I just assume that Onesimus told nobody about it out of fear of Melinoë.

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"I'd still need to-."

"Roughly how similar."

Onesimus thinks for a moment, his eyes unfocused. "If.. I.. could get the time… I…"

"I'm sure that I can talk Queen Mera into making an opening."

"How many samples did you have in mind?"

"Twelve."

"Fine." He waves his right hand dismissively. "Leave them in Dry Room One. I'll let Sephtian know that they're there when he gets baaaaaah-ah."

"You really are a louse." Melinoë's eyes are fixed on him as she stalks across the room. "You will perform the analysis yourself and you will do it now. Or you will keep seeing what you are seeing now for the rest of your life." She thinks for a moment. "And I will tell Uncle Orcus how unhelpful you were."

"Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh…" His eyes have gone totally black. Oh dear.

"Melinoë, that's.. a bit…" A bit assault on a chap who doesn't deserve it in a way which is rather seriously illegal. "Irritating as Mister Onesimus has been, I do rather need him to both perform the analysis and continue his work on this project. Would you please let him go?"

"You let him go too far. I didn't think you were that weak. I'll teach him his place and then let him go."
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Aeess said:
He didn't insult her, he just told them he was busy and that he is going to talk about it with Sephtian. She basically tortured him for not immidatly doing what they want. Also she is a greek nymph, religious Atlanteans follow the roman gods. Allowing some nymph from a foreign pantheon to torture one of his people would basically go against Orin's obligation as king and as superhero.
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Given that she's a Greek Goddess, she let him off about as easy as an Olympian has EVER let someone off.
 
Aeess said:
He didn't insult her, he just told them he was busy and that he is going to talk about it with Sephtian. She basically tortured him for not immidatly doing what they want. Also she is a greek nymph, religious Atlanteans follow the roman gods. Allowing some nymph from a foreign pantheon to torture one of his people would basically go against Orin's obligation as king and as superhero.
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She's not middle management of arbys. She's not a member of parliament, or a diplomat. She's a Goddess, Princess of Hades, and he treated her dismissively. That is insulting.

Not to mention suicidally stupid, as he found out.
 
RichardWhereat said:
She's not middle management of arbys. She's not a member of parliament, or a diplomat. She's a Goddess, Princess of Hades, and he treated her dismissively. That is insulting.

Not to mention suicidally stupid, as he found out.
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It wasn't stupid because he had no idea who he was dealing with, he didn't even believe that gods have blood, he most certainly didn't expect one to be standing next to him. And he didn't treat them that rude for a group of people basically expecting that he drops his duties and immediately does what they want .

Maxx Crowley said:
Given that she's a Greek Goddess, she let him off about as easy as an Olympian has EVER let someone off.
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Yeah but they usually do that to greek people, its like when Hades was pissed that the angels send stole the soul of the SI from him, I assume that if the SI hadn't pissed of the Greek God of justice the whole thing with the angels would also have been handled better.
 
If you ask me, anyone is better than Jade.
I mean for real. You have all these amazing potential love interests and SI chooses Jade..
Granted, he obviously feels attracted to other people, and has even had sex and flirted with some of them. But when it comes to real love or romance, Jade seems like the weakest option. But what do I know?
We all know OL has superior tastes than the rest of us puny mortals.
 
Wing and Dagger (part 4)
15th January
15:49 GMT -6

"A.. duel?" Kara frowns at me as we fly over St Roch in the direction of the rebuilt residence of the Hawks. "Are you sure that asking her to come is a good idea?"

"We need someone to introduce us. And I'm sure there are visa requirements that-."

"I meant… Are you sure that it's a good idea for you to be the one who asks her?"

We land, and I pat her on the back. "Why do you think I invited my meat shield along?"

I head towards the door as she frowns at my back. "I won't be back to full toughness for.. hours."

"It's a joke, Kara." I ring the bell, though I'd be astonished if they didn't already know that I'm here. "And it's months, not hours. You've caused significant organelle die off."

"Oh, I-. Oh."

"You didn't notice.. any difference in your flying?"

"Not.. really. Once I learned to fly well enough that I wasn't a risk to nearby buildings, I… I've tended to walk."

"You don't get… Stopped in the street? People don't recognise you?"

She shakes her head, her hair briefly falling over her face. "No. Many people on Earth wear the sigil of House El. In a.. way which.. would actually be illegal for aliens on Krypton. I don't think people recognise me as Kara Zor-El. Which…" She brushes her hair out of her face. "Which is not to say that people don't stop me to.. talk to me."

I nod encouragingly. "Making friends, that's good."

"Friends-? No, I mean… I get hit on. Usually, fairly crudely. I had thought maybe that was how humans did things, but I asked around the office and apparently I'm just an 'asshole magnet'."

"Oh. Um, sorry." What single non-arseholes of roughly the right age do I know? Gosh, it's all… Team members, Atlanteans she's almost certainly already met due to working at KordTech… The Sivanas? No. "If you-."

The door opens and Ms Hol stands before us, mace at her hip. Which is progress, I suppose. "Orange Lantern. Kara Zor-El. What brings you here?"

"I'm finally getting around to taking that trip to Thanagar. Hawkman One, Hawkgirl and Silver Scarab are repairing their ship for interstellar travel, I'll be picking up Lantern Dul and Kara let me twist her arm into coming as well. Are you interested in a trip home?"

She regards me carefully for a moment. "Who is Lantern Dul?"

"Orange Lantern Paran Dul. She's doing the same job as you: keeping tabs on dangerous aliens and reporting back to Thanagar. Only she drew the short straw and got assigned to the Reach. I think she's more than due some time back on the homeworld."

"She's thanagarian?"

"Yes. But since she's posted further away, she has even less contact with Thanagar than you do. I doubt that she's up to date on the relevant protocols."

Her arms tense slightly. Irritation with someone not present. "Then why is she going at all rather than doing her duty?"

"Because everyone they sent with her died and she's been on her own for years." There's a slight change in her posture. Thanagarians expect a lot from their long term operatives, but they're not supposed to be stationed somewhere without any friendly contact. Especially the ones on long distance postings. "And because the Orange Lantern Corps didn't exist when she was dispatched and she needs new orders."

A nod. The gesture still doesn't appear to come completely naturally to her, but she has been on Earth for eight years. Unlike Lantern Dul or the members of the Blades of Alstair, she knows human body language.

"Do you want me to write you an introduction?"

"Lantern Dul has mentioned to me that the government of Thanagar is concerned about magic. As a result of your time on Earth you are your species' leading… Government-loyal expert on the issue. I strongly suspect that your superiors would appreciate having you on hand to consult when I offer them my aid."

"Do you know why the Thanagarian government has an interest in magic?"

"A combination of your report on the human use of it, your historical contact with the Seven Devils and your conflict with Queen Hyathis."

She stares at me for a moment. "You hired an Alstairian mercenary company."

"No, Tamaran hired an Alstairian mercenary company. And they would still have hired them if they'd been High Council-affiliated rather than Hyathis-loyalists."

A slight tremor in her wings as I refer to followers of Queen Hyathis as being the loyal ones.

"We received word that Hyathis is undertaking a major shipbuilding effort."

"There's a four-way war going on in her home system. It would be more strange if she wasn't building ships."

"These are a new design, different to anything she's built before. And we know full well that you visited Alstair shortly before she started. What are you playing at, Orange Lantern?"

Huh. I suppose the people of J would share the Dominion computer specifications with their new trade partner, wouldn't they? And with that… All sorts of design opportunities open up. And it might let them bridge the gap between the technology of her thanagarian subjects and the platforms she commands.

"I needed Green Lantern Medphyll's help, and thought that improving his planet's technology was a good way to warm him up to the idea. Since I was doing a post run for the Blades anyway, I raised the idea of an information exchange with Queen Hyathis. She approved it and sent a guy."

"We think she's planning a new attack on the Thanagarian Empire with the information you helped her get. If she does, millions of thanagarians will die."

"Because… The Thanagarian Empire totally wouldn't invade Alstair if it thought that it could?" I shrug. "And can't come to peaceful terms due to… What was the reason again?"

"Self-determination."

"Yeah, I do know how much self-determination alien residents of the Thanagarian Empire get. Especially when compared to the alien residents of Alstair." She doesn't really react. "I'm not Thanagarian. I have no obligation to your government. Out of my desire to improve technology and make sure that your government doesn't do something stupid while fixing its ignorance problem, I've offered my assistance with this matter. You don't have to accept… But you probably should."

More deliberate staring. "Earth to Thanagar is a four week journey each way at my ship's best speed."

"Unless you're being towed by a sufficiently capable Lantern. In which case it's.. maybe half an hour. Come on, you can try pumping Ms Parker for information on her ship's primary drive specifications again."

"Maybe I just don't want to spend time around you."

"Reasonable enough, but ask yourself this." I lean forward, smiling. "Do you really want me to be on Thanagar unsupervised?"

Her face goes a little blank, then she leans back into her house.

"KATAR! WE'RE VISITING HOME!"
 
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15th January
15:49 GMT -6
"Maybe I just don't want to spend time around you."

"Reasonable enough, but ask yourself this." I lean forward, smiling. "Do you really want me to be on Thanagar unsupervised?"

Her face goes a little blank, then she leans back into her house.

"KATAR! WE'RE VISITING HOME!"
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HA! Oh yeah, there we go.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Reasonable enough, but ask yourself this." I lean forward, smiling. "Do you really want me to be on Thanagar unsupervised?"

Her face goes a little blank, then she leans back into her house.

"KATAR! WE'RE VISITING HOME!"
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Seems like a suitable reaction on the part of Hawkwoman here.

Leaving Paul unsupervised is a bad idea.
 
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"And it's months, not hours. You've caused significant organelle die off."

"Oh, I-. Oh."
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Kara had no idea what she was doing to herself? Should Paul inform Batman at least of the effects of all Kryptonite variants so this doesn't happen again? I am especially curious about how he would take the effect of Black Kryptonite, or how Paul could explain him knowing its effects.
 
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