1. Due to issues with external spam filters, QQ is currently unable to send any mail to Microsoft E-mail addresses. This includes any account at live.com, hotmail.com or msn.com. Signing up to the forum with one of these addresses will result in your verification E-mail never arriving. For best results, please use a different E-mail provider for your QQ address.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. For prospective new members, a word of warning: don't use common names like Dennis, Simon, or Kenny if you decide to create an account. Spammers have used them all before you and gotten those names flagged in the anti-spam databases. Your account registration will be rejected because of it.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Since it has happened MULTIPLE times now, I want to be very clear about this. You do not get to abandon an account and create a new one. You do not get to pass an account to someone else and create a new one. If you do so anyway, you will be banned for creating sockpuppets.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. If you wish to change your username, please ask via conversation to tehelgee instead of asking via my profile. I'd like to not clutter it up with such requests.
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Due to the actions of particularly persistent spammers and trolls, we will be banning disposable email addresses from today onward.
    Dismiss Notice
  6. A note about the current Ukraine situation: Discussion of it is still prohibited as per Rule 8
    Dismiss Notice
  7. The rules regarding NSFW links have been updated. See here for details.
    Dismiss Notice
  8. The testbed for the QQ XF2 transition is now publicly available. Please see more information here.
    Dismiss Notice

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

Loading...
  1. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2015
    Messages:
    5,514
    Likes Received:
    20,548
    She's from a 1960s comic world, there are no L's or G's and all women are B's.
     
  2. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,842
    Likes Received:
    15,026
    Oh fuck you and all. We'd've become a republic if it weren't for the royalist party offering us a bad choice 20 years ago, and nothing else since.
     
    Eld_Tiger, Zeroguard, Relyt33 and 8 others like this.
  3. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    2,149
    Likes Received:
    33,423
    She's taking things remarkably well so far...

    Eh, it's a matter of perspective, really. He's not certified officially, anyway.

    The term 'superheroes' is probably quite telling to her.

    Ah, you meant "May I stand?" Easy mistake to make, so many native english speakers make it...

    I'm sure she understands such restrictions...

    Wow, just up and says it outright. Evidently she's had some training concerning interdimensional travel...

    Some things change, others stay the same...

    Heh, she would almost certainly be familiar with the implications of the name. Nietzsche was practically required reading in senior German officer circles...

    He's completely off his mental script of how this was intended to go, isn't he?:p

    Oh, god, Super-Brit. One part of the Elseworlds that's best left forgotten...

    Yup, the classic 'Nazis get super-science, conquer the world' alternate timeline twist.

    That... Is a remarkably complicated question...

    I see she has opinions on the Communist states.

    It's more economical than political...

    Yes, definitely has opinions...

    And it's as nasty a process as it sounds...

    Wow, it showed on his face even with his ring? That's some serious NOPE.

    One slight miscalculation and you have a killer pseudo-Kryptonian virus that is immune to everything but Kryptonite...

    Ugh, I shudder at the thought of the failures... Especially if any survived the initial process.

    Frame it as Mad Science! and she might not be totally disgusted... Or just say 'Luthor' and watch her go "Ah, yes, say no more."

    So far so polite. From the sound of it, Overman has had previous encounters with the Multiverse, and prepared protocols for any eventuality... I hope she doesn't suffer too much culture shock. And there's still the question of why she flew out of a Bleed portal, on fire...
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2019
  4. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2016
    Messages:
    453
    Likes Received:
    2,723
    She's certainly a believer in some of the stuff with how quickly red showed up when the Soviets got mentioned. Overgirl and Overman can regret the genocides and still think National Socialism is pretty great.

    I'd say she might be a "deport them all" Nazi who thought the Madagascar Plan was neato, though I guess that's a little harder when you decide to conquer the world. Which they didn't even want to do, but I guess between this and Wolfenstein finding super advanced tech just ratchets up your ambitions something fierce.

    ==

    Oh, and the only other person that retrovirus didn't kill became Earth 10's version of Bizarro.

    They called him the Antihuman.

    Get the feeling they probably killed him, and the Luthor League. I seriously doubt Nazi superheroes fuck around with that non-lethal shit or the revolving door prisons unless they're planning to torture information out of you.
     
  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    14,694
    Likes Received:
    728,870
    Who's the lucky dominion?

    Also, the royalist party hasn't offered you a bad choice. You're a democracy. If enough people felt strongly enough then someone else would be elected.
     
  6. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,842
    Likes Received:
    15,026
    In order to get that option we need a referrendum, which are extremely expensive, and the party in power gets to offer the bad choices. Australians want to be a democracy, but we're also deeply stupid and our major parties keep telling the fib that if we became a republic we couldn't go to the Commonwealth Games and kick everyone's arse.

    Everyone's.
     
    Simonbob, Arghonn, Gilhelmi and 8 others like this.
  7. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    873
    Likes Received:
    3,601
    True words brother. That was a seriously flawed republic on offer.
     
  8. Flux Casey

    Flux Casey The Colonel

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2016
    Messages:
    4,773
    Likes Received:
    235,359
    COUGH COUGH rule 8 COUGH COUGH absolutely nothing to do with the story COUGH HACK WHEEZE.
     
    WargWolf, BBJimmy, OrbitL and 18 others like this.
  9. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    22,134
    Likes Received:
    320,293
    Is Overgirls timeline in the 2010s like the main universe or is it in the sixties/seventies period?
    Overman in the comics looked like he was still in his prime while, though it could be that kryptonians from earth 10 age slower than their earth 16 counterparts, like red son Superman managed to live for several eons
     
  10. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2013
    Messages:
    143
    Likes Received:
    778
    Please tell me that Hitler's clone is going to feature in this episode.
     
  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    14,694
    Likes Received:
    728,870
    Of course he is.
    It's the same as the Universe 16 year.
     
  12. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,714
    Likes Received:
    9,865
    It has never been shown how kryptonians age on Earth-16, Clark is only 40 as of season 3.

    Kryptonian lifespans have varied in the stories from "Clark is having a heart attack because he's aging like everyone else" to "Superman waves goodbye to the dying universe as he flies off to his next adventure."

    However, it seems you forgot Zoat adding the boring as hell version of Superwoman Karsta Wor-Uhl, and she's several generations older than Superman. Although in the comics she also had multiple "black market longevity treatments," so she's not really the best indication of kryptonian longevity.
     
  13. Z3r0Sama

    Z3r0Sama Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2019
    Messages:
    415
    Likes Received:
    5,566
    She ain't boring on the renegade tl(tbf everything is awesome in the renegade tl). Also her pounding supes into mush before flouncing off is hilarious.

    I can just picture Diana's sadface on missing out on a second sparring partner in the league.
     
  14. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2016
    Messages:
    453
    Likes Received:
    2,723
    Earth 10 is in the modern day. A world where the Nazis have ruled the world for a decent chunk of time. And is supposed to be utopic for almost everyone living on it. But it's a utopia built on the near total genocide of basically everyone the Nazis didn't like.

    Overman feels a lot of guilt and regret over how the utopia was created.

    "Sure, the world is practically paradise now. But did we have to kill so many people to make it?"

    For reference, this is basically a minority opinion that most people on Earth 10 would think is a weird question to ask. Unless the New 52 comics changed things. But, well, fuck the New 52.

    Get the feeling Overman's ideal would be to try to establish some kind of non-racist variant of National Socialism. (If you could even call it Nazism anymore.)

    Oh, and Overman is in his 80s and still looks like he's in his 30s.
     
  15. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    22,134
    Likes Received:
    320,293
    Karsta may have beaten Kal-El so easily because he wasn't expecting her to be so hostile.
    If he tried to fight her i am pretty sure that he would have won if he realy tried. She is older than him while he is in his prime and he also has at least a decade of experience in fighting super strong people while she probably only has her non powered kryptonian training in fighting.

    Also Overman in the new 52 was pretty outspoken against the genocide thing, but still served the state.His history was basically the same as pre n52. But there were some things that were either changed or never mentioned when he originally appeared. Like him being in a dying marriage to a redhead named Lena;).
    Also Addie Hitler, the politician who leered at Overgirl, was first introduced in the multiversity issue with the mastermen as Overmans adopted nephew.

    Hey Zoat, how many more episodes are there going to be before we get to April First in universe?
    Is it going to be after the episodes with the renegade in Equestria?
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2019
    Cuchulin likes this.
  16. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2018
    Messages:
    2,117
    Likes Received:
    8,237
    Part of the reason Nazism works is the racism - you either have high self esteem and are unlikely to commit crimes or the government marks you an undesirable and likely gets rid of you. They also wouldn’t have the problems with overpopulation the modern world does - due to exterminating large swathes of the population - which would solve a whole bunch of problems at once.
     
    RagnarokAscendant and Navi-Hank like this.
  17. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    1,166
    Likes Received:
    7,075

    Icon/Arnus comes from a communist society, and I believe there are other examples in DC. So this should be

    "Turns out humans can't make communism work".

    Because it goes too much against our tribal nature, humans can only make it work in the small scale, once you start to go big the inefficiencies caused by humans pile up too much.
     
  18. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    22,134
    Likes Received:
    320,293
    Chaoswind has a point.
    I remember that one comic where Kilowog visits the Soviet Union, but is dissapointed by it. His species have an easier time with communism because of their telepathic connection.
    Also i'm pretty sure that even if communism could work on large scales then having Stalin be in charge would be a VERY bad idea. The man was more akin to a childish bully rather than a leader and he actually fell out of favor with Lenin later in his life, only becoming leader of the Union through some pretty dubious means.
     
  19. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2014
    Messages:
    9,737
    Likes Received:
    38,234
    Given her stated origin, I would say that she is horrifyingly familiar with it.
     
  20. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2015
    Messages:
    5,552
    Likes Received:
    29,970
    "He married an alien woman?"

    "He had a test tube baby made against his wants."
     
  21. nick012000

    nick012000 Gone for Good

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2013
    Messages:
    4,553
    Likes Received:
    12,680
    I think it'd be pretty straight forward. "One of his enemies managed to steal some genetic samples, and then grew clones that were hybrids of Superman and himself. Our Superman wasn't a very good father once he found out about it, though I think he'd have done things differently if he had the opportunity to."
     
  22. rdfox

    rdfox Know what you're doing yet?

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    915
    I'll note that the sheer anger towards the Soviets wouldn't necessarily have to be entirely related to a hatred of communism--note that Overgirl showed only distaste towards the previous mention of communism, while anger only appeared when the Soviets were mentioned. While communism's economics are antithetical to those of fascism, there were two other reasons why she might hate them.

    First off, Nazi ideology portrayed all Slavic peoples as untermenschen, inferiors suitable only to be exploited and/or destroyed, with the Russian ethnicity being particularly inferior. (Witness how much more brutally Soviet prisoners were treated by the German military than Western prisoners were--French, British, American, Dutch, Canadian... they were seen as being at least Aryan-adjacent and thus could possibly be "corrected" into being proper Aryans, whereas Poles, Czechs, Russians... they were inferior and fit only for slave labor.) Hitler's non-aggression pact with the Soviets in the late 30s, which included a chance to examine Soviet tank technology and use Soviet tank testing facilities, was more of an example of realpolitik than anything else; while it could be justified under the ideology as choosing to exploit the untermenschen by bargaining with them and giving them something of little actual value in exchange for things of great value to Germany, it was really more a case of choosing the lesser evil (temporary appeasement of a group of untermenschen who nonetheless had the military power to be a serious threat and could open a second front when war finally broke out) over having to square off with the Red Army before the Wehrmacht was really ready to do so. (If you don't think this is true, consider that while Hitler had no love lost for the US, he also stated in his own writings that he felt that the time for a reckoning with the Americans was not ripe, and probably would not come until the 1980s--he was perfectly comfortable with attempting to appease and/or otherwise coexist with the United States until Germany was truly prepared to take America on, despite the US's openly condoning--read "not actively attempting to exterminate"--its own population of untermenschen.)

    However, what might well be the bigger cause is just how hard the Soviets fought in the "Great Patriotic War." Between longstanding animosity towards Germany (Russia and Prussia had frequently used Poland as a place to settle their differences in the past), Stalin's "not one step back" order as the Eastern Front approached Moscow and Stalingrad (which included orders that machine gunners were to shoot any Soviet troops that attempted to retreat!), general nationalistic pride (note the name that the Soviets assigned the war and is still the common name for it in Russia today), and reports of how brutally the Germans were treating Slavic prisoners in general and Soviet prisoners in particular, the Red Army fought like a honeybadger. The vast bulk of German casualties during WW2 came on the Eastern Front; there's a reason that the Soviets were able to turn the tide and pretty much push the German forces back to the point that they'd essentially won the land war by themselves, despite suffering over 20 million dead in the war. That sort of thing, combined with the fact that the Soviets weren't exactly treating German prisoners in anything approaching a humane manner, and the existing Nazi prejudice against Russians, and the inherent antipathy of the governmental and economic systems involved, is the sort of thing that can generate intense cultural hatred for several generations. We're talking the sort of hatred that results in things like the term "Philistine"...

    Side note: Hitler personally abhorred homosexuality, to the point of including non-heterosexuals in the extermination orders; one entire wing of the Nazi party that had been key to his rise to power, the SA, was violently purged and slaughtered well before the outbreak of war, in what was known as the "Night of the Long Knives," largely because Hitler had found out that its head was gay and had put a number of his partners into the upper echelons of its organization (and, reputedly, was basically turning the organization into one big gay men's club). That said, even after this, there were a large number of closeted homosexuals in fairly high positions of power in the Nazi party; it's entirely plausible that, in an alternate timeline, they might well have been able to use their positions, after Hitler's death, to influence a shift in attitudes towards greater gay rights. (Note that, for example, if you look at the surviving pornography of the 1920s, you'll find that most of it would qualify as "bisexual porn" today, including both male and female homosexual acts along with the heterosexual ones, in the same scenes; one little-remarked aspect of the Roaring 20s was that in much of the world, both male and female bisexuality was considered normal, if not generally discussed openly, and it was only the rise of firebrand radio preachers during the Great Depression that saw homosexuality get the stigmatization it suffered for the rest of the century; if you were in a position of power in the Nazi party after Hitler dies of natural causes, you can start influencing people to see such firebrand preachers as untermenschen, likely with the support of Himmler, who wanted to see Christianity replaced with his own new religion based on the ancient Norse pantheon.) While I doubt it would have resulted in LGBT rights being more advanced than they are today, it might have brought "don't ask, don't tell" levels of tolerance much more quickly than the combination of activism with the porn industry's normalization of female bisexuality were able to accomplish.
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2019
    Ngamer11, Osserumb, BBJimmy and 8 others like this.
  23. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    14,694
    Likes Received:
    728,870
    No, she'd still have kicked his arse.

    Superman 16 isn't very good at fighting. Since joining the League and having access to a trainer in his weight class (Diana) he's gotten okay, but for the most part relies on raw power. Not because he's lazy (he isn't), but because it's really hard for him to train at high intensity. Against someone like Karsta (who is a little weaker but has far more experience) he'd lose.
    Again, I want a source on the 'adopted by Hitler' claim because I read the comic a few days ago and didn't see it stated.
    If you look at the first page of this thread you'll see this episode listed as 92 and Equestrian Girls listed as 94.
    Is it, or is it just post-scarcity?
    Yeeeeah, but the other man in the picture was Trotsky, who wanted to bring about global revolution by warfare as soon as possible. Stalin sucked for the Soviet Union but Trotsky would have sucked for the entire world.
    It still seems odd to me that Hearts of Iron has no option for doing the Bulwark Against Communism focus as Hitler. Now that they've brought in alternate history options, making a deal with Britain and France and then just attacking eastward sounds like a plausible route to go.
    You may assume that did not happen. There probably are homosexuals around but they're keeping bloody quiet about it. The furthest that sort of thing went was that they relaxed some of the ethnic purity requirements for people of 'good standing'; you wouldn't be sent to the camps for one great grandparent from a subhuman group.
     
  24. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    1,166
    Likes Received:
    7,075

    Probably as pure capitalism wouldn't work if scarcity isn't a factor.
     
  25. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    4,181
    Sufficient levels of "nope" that he didn't want to fully conceal it, I suppose.
     
  26. SIDoragon

    SIDoragon Dragon of Story and Song

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2019
    Messages:
    236
    Likes Received:
    2,139
    "He has a child with another man?"

    "Well, it wasn't like he knew about it."

    "The mechanics..."

    "His DNA was stolen by a billionaire and used to make unholy abominations."

    "..."

    "..."

    "..."

    "..."

    "Is is too late to go back to my universe?"
     
  27. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    22,134
    Likes Received:
    320,293
    I only saw that Overman was adopted by Adolf Hitler on his DC wiki page. This would make him Addies adopted uncle.
    Though this was only in post flash point, in either the freedom fighters issues of the multiversity, he may not have been adopted by Hitler pre flashpoint.
    Will we see earth 10 Jimmy Olsen?
    It would be interesting if earth 16 Jimmy found out about his traitorous nazi counterpart.
    Will the paragon meet Uncle Sam, I know that he saw him when Red Tornado became a citizen but will he speak to him?
    Will OL meet the Freedom Fighters on earth 10?
    Also as to my April Fools question, I was wondering how many more episodes are we going to have before April first in your stories universe?
     
  28. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    821
    Likes Received:
    3,144
    I'd expect to her it's just science
     
  29. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    14,694
    Likes Received:
    728,870
    Primary sources trump secondary. Case in point: the TVTropes page for this story.
    Not any time soon.
    Jimmy 10 isn't treasonous. He's loyal to his government.
    The SI has already briefly met Uncle Sam 16. I have no plans for him to meet Uncle Sam 10.
    I have no plans for him to do so.
    This one and one more.
     
  30. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    22,134
    Likes Received:
    320,293
    So April fools will be renegade going to Equestria?

    If it isn't then will the April fools episode be a paragon episode?
     
Loading...