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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    Was interested in the reference to 'New Statemen' - lead me to wonder if OJ is familiar with the (really rather strange) late 1980s UK 'Crisis' comic story of the same name. Whether he'd comment on this to Overgirl is, of course, another matter...
     
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  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    This wasn't exactly what they meant to happen, but yes, this is a result of their actions.
    Not intentionally, but I'll take it.
     
  3. Gantradies

    Gantradies Know what you're doing yet?

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    .... you know, one wonders how alt-hitler stayed in power for any amount of time post alt-war given how he spent the entire time literally destroying his entire body with massive doses of psychotropics/uppers/downers/literally anything he could fit into a syringe, and from what i recall, his habitual chemical abuse started some time before his idiocy caused things to start collapsing bad enough that it wasn't deniable-
    or Goering would have made a power grab, or...
    the power dynamics/disfunctional nature of the government, barring the unifying factor of a war, and without the stronghold/siege mentality directing eyes away from the rot/increasingly erratic behavior of the individuals at the helm...

    maybe he got replaced with a doppelganger after being covertly disposed of?

    like, body-double, or a Clone, or.....- what tech would they have had at the time that Earth Prime didnt?- i mean... when was Red Tornado Developed/Released, again?

    i mean- the depiction of Hitler in Wolfenstein: TNC would, by the 60's, genuinely be a best-case for what his mental/physical condition would have been....

    he'd have been a raving, outwardly repulsive lunatic incapable of HIDING it anymore by the 50's without the bullshit, easily reverse-engineered superscience the new-wolfenstein timeline nazi's lucked into stopping his.... well, everything from giving out from all the drugs- most people would TRY to stop at the point their veins started making brittle, crunching sounds during every injection.... unless the divergence point was... in the 20's or earlier, there's... so..many questions about the OTHER things that would HAVE to have changed for them to win...


    (for context,part of why im so intensely scathing/dismissive of little Adolph's little club, is because... well- the Nazi "Aryan superman" ideal was HILARIOUSLY off base, not even taking into account the ACTUAL Aryan's-not the "blue eyed, blond haired" people they constantly mewled about inarticulately, were an Indian ethnicity, from memory-
    i..have a tendency to ramble/rant on the subject-i find their level of stupidity/hypocracy almost physically painful,and my Grandfather Fought in WW2, have several friends and family who are Jewish, AND given i have HFA, id have been on the chopping block myself..
    im editing this down to be comprehensible as i go, if its not coherent by the time i sleep ill wipe the whole thing in the morning if it isnt salvageable, leave an apology >.<)

    Hitler/maybe Goering,memory is foggy,was on the record complaining that all their archeologists were discovering was more and more evidence that the ethnic group they claimed to be descended from were backwards by the standards of the time/lived in crude huts, literally-the level cognitive dissonance the higher ups who actually believed relied on to function was...actually impressive..)

    a lot of this stuff is darkly hilarious when you start reading up- Adolph Galland's [the Reichmarshal of the Luftwaffe - not an ideological member of the nazi party, spent almost the entire war up in the air or planning-decent enough man, as unlikely as it might sound] autobiography mentions some of the really stupid stuff that went on behind the scenes with logistics/petty politics- think you can get the book, "Fighter General", on amazon- there were so many things stacked against Germany due to how unhinged their leadership had became, that im curious how they "won", even with the support of an indoctrinated Kryptonian...

    i mean- did they..have him literally kill everyone capable of resistance in Europe/The Soviet union and so forth, when he was barely a child/ a teenager, regardless of the effects of local sunlight on his biology, did the Reich get utterly stomped and make a miraculous comeback decades later, or...

    ..... is it bad that the thing i feel is unrealistic about the "nazi DC" sub-setting is that Nazi Germany's government SURVIVED a "victory" without disintegrating into an orgy of backstabbing that took the country with them, not the half-assed retroviral engineering project actually working on one/two people out of a few thousand subjects? >.<
     
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  4. Fallen Gods Rise

    Fallen Gods Rise Getting out there.

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    Someone remind me 'TP Paul and RQ jade'

    I swear this fic needs flowcharts and a who's who.
     
  5. Navi-Hank

    Navi-Hank An engine fuled by spite

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    But can you blame him?
     
  6. MadMarx420

    MadMarx420 Know what you're doing yet?

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    What? There’s a MCU SI? Can someone provide a link or the chapter name?
     
  7. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    I think the only thing we heard of him is his conversation with Magneto. It was soon after (or maybe during?) the April Fools series of events.
     
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  8. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    I mean at the very least, the word Overgirl used has come up before (and funnily enough also to refer to John Stewart in particular), when Krieger attacked the Watchtower way back when, also in a deliberately Nazi/racist context, and there didn't seem to be an issue (I was still just reading Story Only on SB at that point, so I could be wrong, but at the very least, that didn't prompt any forum-switch).

    There were a few snippets prior to that, though I don't have ready access to links for them.
     
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  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    The thing about Wolfenstein: The New Order that makes me uncomfortable is that it is now an official part of the setting there actually was a secret society of Jews with access to all manner of advanced technology that they were hording to themselves. That technology was only released when the Nazis got hold of it, and they used it to make life for their people much better.

    I mean, not all the people they executed, but for everyone else.

    In this setting, that means that Hitler has done more good with kryptonian technology than Superman. More bad as well, but then, he is Hitler.
    I'm guessing that Hitler got hold of some kryptonian medicine?
    I don't know who TP is, but 'RQ' refers to Red Queen Jade.
     
  10. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch Getting sticky.

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    Eh, others might disagree.:D
     
  11. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    If she were thinking of the color, his ring's translator would've had her ask if that was a black.
     
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  12. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    Time Trapper Paul and Red Queen Jade... There was a typo that Zoat referenced.


    Ring translation translates subconscious language intent too, so yeah, she meant Negro in the derogatory sense.
     
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  13. jonasquinn

    jonasquinn I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I mean to be fair Earth 10 had 70 years, an entire government dedicated to reverse engineering Kal Els pod, thousands of ruthless scientists, a war and radical ideology to motivate people and millions of unwilling test subjects

    Also, I'm a little surprised that Paul didn't point out that if Overmans pod landed in 1938 then he would've been too young to play a part in the Holocaust and almost certainly would've missed most if not all of the war depending on when he was first deployed

    As for Wolfenstein I always found the idea of the Da'at Yichud being an interesting one, a group of people who create new things because it's the one thing they can do that they know God did as well, and while it is a bit uncomfortable implying that the Nazis were right about there being a secret Jewish society it's a far cry from the Jewish Illuminati the Nazis were obsessed with
     
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  14. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Experienced.

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    I want her to meet Africa's Superman, it would be hilarious.
     
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  15. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    Is this a reference to Teth Adom, Icon, Doctor Mist or some alternate-version of Superman?
     
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  16. Coda

    Coda Not too sore, are you?

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    Nazis'. (As written it sounds like you're referring to a singular Nazi.)

    Socialists'.
     
  17. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    If the april fools episode will be a renegade episode then will he see what his alternates are doing like the paragon did, or is it just going to be us that see what alternate Pauls are doing?
    If the episode is a two parter then will we get snippets of the alternates in both episodes?
     
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  18. fictionfan

    fictionfan If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    Maybe we are going to have a criss of the infinite Pauls?
     
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  19. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Zoat already confirmed crisis of infinite Pauls.
     
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  20. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    They're alternates of each other so... Technically?
    Yes.
     
  21. MadMarx420

    MadMarx420 Know what you're doing yet?

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    Does anyone know the chapter name where Paul gave Alan a blue lantern ring? was trying to find it but for the life of me couldn't.
     
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  22. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Resolution.
     
  23. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    This appears to be part of the setup, but considering the word investment so far, the payoff is likely to be multi episodic, thus isn't likely to be done in this episode.

    In short, yes this is part of the crisis setup and as things get worse we may even get more intermultiversal refugees like Overgirl...

    I think getting fan favorites like Impulse and teh blue beetle isn't just a pipe dream now even if their inclusion in universe 16 would mean their original one was destroyed to fuel Red Queen and Time Trapper shenanigans.


    Also a new visit from Dana Dearden (she is in teh future now sadly ) isn't out of the question as they would probably return to the past to investigate shit as their timeline may be erased.
     
  24. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    What did the renegade do to Shayera 50 aside from curing her, did he give her any powers?

    Will the justice league that defeated the Lords find out about what happened to them?

    Will we see future episodes with Peter Wynne?
     
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  25. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    I suppose we didn't see as much explicit magic going on there as in YJ, but Aquaman's trident and the history of Atlantis does strongly indicate that they have magical knowledge; granted, the evidence technically only indicates that they had it in the past, but I don't think we get any knowledge about the power sources for their technology or anything, so it could be magi-tech (And unless Aquaman's and future-Aquagirl's abilities are just 'typical' metahuman traits, that would also count as magic).
     
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  26. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    What year will the SI discover his surname?
     
  27. transhumansage

    transhumansage Know what you're doing yet?

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    earth 10 is an abomination. I wonder if the freedom fighters won in the actual comic?
     
  28. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    He hasn't forgotten it, he just can't say it. Or do you mean when other characters/the readers discover it? (I know that some people irl already do because of an old Photobucket account).
     
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  29. Coda

    Coda Not too sore, are you?

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    If you can't think about it, can you really be said to remember it? He can't think it any more than he can think his first name, but it's sufficiently uncommon that he wasn't able to figure it out through trial and error. The only thing, in-character, that he was able to determine is that it has something to do with candles.

    (I'm one of the people who knows, but not because of Photobucket; I told him where I found it so he could plug that leak.)
     
  30. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    I am pretty sure that the comic with the freedom fighters is still ongoing.

    And as to the surname question I was wondering when we will discover it?
    If anyone on this site knows Zoats surname could you please post it, he only confirmed that his name is Paul?

    Coda could you tell us what his surname is?
     
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