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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    I think that this is another case where Paul is endangering the team's T rating.
     
  2. gustyeagle

    gustyeagle Know what you're doing yet?

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    Really? Why? Every time he is on screen I cringe at the national geographic / in prase of eros
    prose.
     
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  3. Lord Ernest

    Lord Ernest At the End...

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    Raquel should be more mature about this. If there's a Nazi infestation in the mountain that you can't get rid off, just don't hang in the mountain and that's it, is not like she's getting paid for attendance and she can hang out outside the mountain with whomever she's friends with or do superheroing on the side. I mean, who thinks that Batman is going to give the go ahead for Overgirl to go on a mission right away? Or ever?

    Oh and, I don't know if anybody noticed, it seems that whoever is abducting the "Pauls" (or in Peter's case, trying) does it when they're around Jade? Could it be that the machine can't really identify the other versions of the SI and is just tracking a frequency or resonance through the multiverse? I think that would explain why it took Clayface, the tracking just guides to a universe and an area but doesn't point out the correct individual? Although that doesn't explain Green Lantern Jade, 'cause Paul wasn't anywhere around, was he? Maybe there are two people messing around the multiverse? (As if one wasn't enough, eh?)
     
  4. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    She tried to rob Icon.
     
  5. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    This is among your best dialogue yet, Zoat, imo.

    Raquel's voice is entirely believable, so is Paul's "trying to present all sides of the argument fairly" arguing.

    This could absolutely be a discussion real people have, even though the subject matter is entirely fictional of course.
     
  6. inglorius

    inglorius Getting sticky.

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    By the way, why Raquel makes such a big deal about nazi specifically? It's personal or just a hot topic for USA?
     
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  7. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Oh, boy, this is going to be interesting...

    Yeah, she's very much not happy about all of this.

    Okay, Rocket? Rocket. Contain the calamity that is your mammaries.

    Worst case, think of her as opposite-gender Kon.

    Someone hasn't been reading the briefing materials...

    Big old blind spot, clearly.

    They're like interstellar Vikings, but without the redeeming qualities.

    Not what he was saying, Rocket. Focus.

    It's weird seeing this from the other side.

    No, Africa is quite well populated...

    Let him finish, girl.

    She is just stuck on the whole Nazi thing, isn't she?

    And taking her appearance at face value too...

    Not really helping your point, OL.

    Yeah, I wouldn't mention that, either to Rocket or to Overgirl.

    Because it's been working so well so far, OL?

    Stop that, you're far to sassy to play 'housemaid'.

    I'd like to hear the chain of logic behind that... I'm sure it makes perfect sense to Mister Avarice Enlightenment...

    Different universe, different method.

    Really, this whole situation is a big old stress-fest.

    Just please don't go making Nazi Jokes to Overgirl, please...

    Not quite what OL is going for, I think...

    And how are you so sure? Have you been inside her head?

    Be nice, that's a compliment.

    That... Is a Very Good question. I mean, it's only been what, two or three days max, I'm sure he's taken a look over her case.

    And the Overgirl plot continues. I suspect Racquel here is not going to be the only one pulling OL aside and demanding answers...
     
  8. Flux Casey

    Flux Casey The Colonel

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    I think if it were a real discussion she would have decked him by the "is she really evil though?" part. But that doesn't really move things along in a way that is functional for the plot. This is the kind of shit real people would nope the fuck out on and just cease all interactions with Paul for. See Maxx Crowley's reaction for what would probably be more realistic to the circumstances.
     
  9. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    She is black and has a noted hatred of nazi like beliefs plus the fact that most people on earth hate nazis.
     
  10. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    He used his superpowers and scared her and her friends off.

    They never came back, she went back to his house and said basically "Why the $%$%% aren't you a superhero?!"

    She then designed his costumed persona, at least a little bit inspired by Superman, because she wanted him to be a paragon, an icon, an inspiration, a symbol of hope like Superman.

    In the comics anyway, I don't think the YJ writers ever went into it.
     
  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Oh, don't worry; Peter's fine, just a bit confused.
    Thank you, corrected.
    Nazis are the evildoers in our culture.
    She might have hit him. She wouldn't have decked him, because 'decked' means 'hit so that they fall to the deck', and his environmental shield would have taken the hit easily.
     
  12. King of Frost

    King of Frost Wishing I was somewhere colder no doubt.

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    For trying to change the beliefs of someone who was basically forced to believe the things she believes and hasn't actually done anything bad usually associated with those beliefs?

    Paul is right, Canis is worse than her in so many ways but he gets a pass because they don't associate Darksied or the New Gods from Apokolips as anywhere near as bad as the Nazis even though objectively in this fictional universe they are worse.

    Edit: This is a weird situation to be in. Defending a fictional nazi and not feeling like a piece of shit for it. Really weird.
     
  13. Massgamer

    Massgamer Not too sore, are you?

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    Personally for all the hate that Rocket gets for acting out on her beliefs a bit too quickly I can at least understand it.
     
  14. Flux Casey

    Flux Casey The Colonel

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    Yes. Because for certain groups this whole thing is so charged that rational analysis quite literally isn't possible. Paul can plead ignorance and technical innocence all he wants. But at the end of the day, Angie still thinks it's just fine that her elders slaughtered all those 'undesirables'. And for the people who belong to those groups, that's all they need to know.
     
  15. TheEyes

    TheEyes Well worn.

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    Probably the same nothing he said about Kon for months. YJ Supes doesn't seem to be the guy to ask the hard questions of himself, despite being an investigative reporter in his day job.

    Canis killed that T rating, killed its family, and razed the planet it was on to the ground for the glory of Darkseid a long while ago.
     
  16. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    It was her first robbery, it might not have been her friends' first robbery though.

    It was the night of the "Big Bang," so her friends thought while all the cops are busy with all the gang members they'd drive to the suburbs and rob a mansion.

    They convinced her by making it seem like a victimless crime with reasoning along the lines of "Please, the people living in the house we hit will just replace everything we take with the change in their couch cushions," and knowing about her desire to be a writer "We might make enough for you to treat yourself to a typewriter."

    Fortunately Icon is bulletproof, because otherwise she would have been guilty of felony murder when her friend annoyed Icon by shooting him repeatedly.
     
  17. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    Hopefully, that made her wonder why she was friends with them (or at least with that one).
     
  18. Khettien

    Khettien Perpetually confused

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    Assuming you're not from the US, so I'll try to break it down into easy chunks. None of the following is intended in a condescending way, rather I'm trying to be very clear.

    Racial politics is a HUGE hot-button issue in America, since before our Civil War in 1861 right up to the present day. For a modern version, feel free to look up 'Black Lives Matter'.

    Nazi (National Socialist) teachings consider Aryans to be the 'master race' and inherently superior to all other ethnicities of the human race. Which historical race is actually Aryan is a hotly debated topic, but for most Nazis boils down to blonde haired, blue eyed white people.

    Nazis, for political reasons, harbor/harbored an intense distrust and hatred of Jews and Romani (gypsies) ethnicities. All other ethnicities were considered...hmm, property of the state? For most people, that would be closely analogous to slavery.

    African-American politics is significantly tied around the issue of slavery, the freedom from it, and the consequences thereof.

    The Southern portions of the American Civil War fought, among other reasons, for the right to retain their slaves. When Nazi propaganda spread, the South (ie, the ideological survivors of the loosing side) saw a lot of their own beliefs in the Nazi movement. The largest neo-Nazi cultures in America tend to concentrate in the southernmost states - Alabama, Georgia, and Texas especially.

    The odds Raquel hasn't had to deal with a neo-Nazi screaming racial epithets in her face are basically nil, and she'd be extremely lucky if that's all she's had to deal with.

    The really funny part, if you have a morbid sense of humor, is that an actual National Socialist party member would haaaate modern American Neo-Nazis.
     
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  19. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Yeah. Why didn't you tell big blue about his alt daughter?
     
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  20. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Modern neo nazis at least live up to the name, most of them are ignorant peasants.
     
  21. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    that does sound like a good time. Hope zoat makes it happen. :D
     
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  22. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    So about what I expected of her. Which is to say, not much.

    And technically the Jews and Roma aren't extinct on Earth 10 either. At least not yet. One of the Freedom Fighters is a Roma woman and the other is a black, Jewish man.

    Though blacks, Jews, and Roma are probably all considered to be on the verge of extinction.
     
  23. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    I cannot claim to be an expert on the series, I read some of it but not all of it, as far as I know Icon was satisfied with scaring them straight.
     
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  24. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    Because all he has is money, not a power ring, and he's doing some interesting things.

    My favourite is that one in africa who 'owns' a country where supervillains cage fight on ppv. The one Wondy flew over to meet. I hope we'll see him again at some point.

    Yeah, but I always like seeing more of him. Especially at the expense of nazi girl.

    Aye, even if the Nipponese were objectively worse, the Germans looked like us, and had style, while being one of the worst things we ever produced. Culturally those two things seem inexcusable.
     
  25. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Didn't someone previously post something about him taking her to a white power rally would be an eye opening experience.
    Her seeing what a majority of people who follow Hitlers philosophy in another world are like would be amusing.

    We might not see Sybarite again, Zoat said he wasn't that interesting as a character, basically being a wish fulfilment fantasy about a guy getting powers and amassing a harem of super hot babes.

    Zoat odd question but aside from Tuppence and Roulette, has Sybarite slept with any other comic book girls, or boys, and has he slept with anyone from the YJ TV show?
    Can you list any of the people he has been in a sexual relationship with?
     
  26. Galler

    Galler Not too sore, are you?

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    Should be: "What the fuck?"
     
  27. hance1986

    hance1986 A pitiful excuse for a man.

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    should be ' What the fuck? '

    should be ' without my ' take the 'a' out.
     
  28. bobsimmo

    bobsimmo Simmr001 on SV/SB

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    can we not play the who is worst than who?
     
  29. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    He doesn't actually have a harem.
    Thinking about it... I don't think that he has.
    Experience suggests 'no'.
     
  30. RagnarokAscendant

    RagnarokAscendant Exists

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    At this point, I am honestly tired of this storyline. There was nothing necessary about this whole affair, it reads as yet another excuse for Paul to be mister uber-rational.
    Fuck that.
     
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