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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

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    Well maybe the curator is just like that, or yeah they could be seen almost as divine like how the Constitution is seen almost as some sacred text in America.

    The people may actually speak that language if Malvolio taught it tot them, so they may not find it difficult.

    There was another Green Lantern that ruled a planet.

    Though in her case she didn't take the planet over, but most likely inherited the throne.

    He either loves the worship, or finds it tedious, but useful to keep people in line.

    Even advanced civilizations worship them, and they're basically heroes chosen by godlike beings to keep order and peace in the universe, so it makes sense.

    Not so fast.

    Hitler was anti-smoking, but I doubt a lot of people would call everything else about him reasonable.

    We know Alan lost the database and translation functions, but maybe even he had the communication abilities left, but didn't use them since he never thought the ring could do that?

    To be fair, not a lot of people could actually respond to that.
     
  2. Mr Zoat

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    That's not how it works. Jordan's been talking in green for most of this mission because he's maintaining focus. If he was talking by ring com his text would be orange.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  3. Agent Orange

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    Oh? So you already wrecked the bridge and the engines, ripped out the time pool section and captured all of the Sheeda on the smoking husk of what used to be the Castle Ship? Is Glory-Bra unconscious and tied up in the Lasso of Truth and construct chains?

    ... so you... didn't capture/restrain the Sheeda? How exactly did you win again? If there's still free enemies (at least one of which is a high level magic user) actively resisting you?

    ...

    Well, he sure know how to make an entrance. This deserves an applause if nothing else.
     
  4. Darko

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    They have basically destroyed her army and stole/damaged her ship, so it's not exactly all that difficult for them to believe that they've won.

    Yeah she may still be around, but her threat level has gone way, way down, so finishing her off shouldn't be too difficult.
     
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    If this was anything resembling the real world yes, since it's a story based on a superhero cartoon based on a superhero comic and ruled by the Plot I fully expect them assuming they won to bite them in the ass [because nothing bites you in the ass like assumptions].

    If it doesn't turn out that Glory-Bra joined forces with Lord Voldemo- Lord Malvolio I will be pleasantly surprised. But lets see if I can predict this: this face-to-face meeting will turn into an ambush [I can already see Ackbar yelling his singature line], followed by a big fight, followed by Malvolio seemingly puling a double cross, followed by him letting the heroes go back home triumphant with a token of his gratitude. Stinger scene: the alien planet dissolves like a dream it is and camera zooms in on the ominously glowing token the heroes brought back with them.
     
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  6. Darko

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    Who knows, Zoat may surprise us and not do this.

    He does enjoy breaking tropes.

    Though it may happen.
     
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  7. Senevri

    Senevri Not too sore, are you?

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    Eh. This is the second new large ham in relatively short time. I'm starting to think MrZoat has a type.
     
  8. Flightless Man

    Flightless Man Versed in the lewd.

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    War is won even if battle is still ongoing. This is really only to see if these 4 come home from final mission.
     
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    PrinceJonathan Versed in the lewd.

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    More like Green Eggs and Ham.
     
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  10. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Manga Khan has a new rival ham.
    We need them together buddy cop style.

    Dude. That would be glorious!
     
  11. transhumansage

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    nice. sounds like something out of conan
     
  12. Mr Zoat

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    Hah. After listening to Dominic Noble review the Twilight saga, I think I know where the Violet Lantern version of the SI ended up.
     
  13. Darko

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    So there's a version of Paul that ended up in Twilight?

    I am both repulsed and fascinated by this.

    Please make it so that the next episodes alternate view is of this one.

    Assuming you choose to do another alternate view.
     
  14. Maxx Crowley

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    So I was like, halfway through a mental recap needed to give a bit of a dissertation over Alan's ring when I remembered that Zoat isn't using his OG magic ring.

    I really hate how they tried to tied Alan into the GLC. I had high hopes for the Nu-52 Earth 2 Alan (His ring being his wedding ring was a bit...beautiful to me) but DC fucked all that up.

    So we never found out what Canon Malvolio was really after, so it's hard to make guesses. I'm not entirely sure if Hal killing him was what he wanted (It's been soo long since I read it) but I DO remember that he really wanted Hal to take his ring out of there.

    Standard lantern wanting to pass on his power mixed with whatever was going on in his crazy pants brain? Who knows?

    Last I knew, the writers totally forgot that Hal doesn't/didn't have Abin Sur's ring anymore.
     
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  15. Mors

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    The wiki tells me he survived the fight and the whole thing was an illusion so Hal could take his ring outside. Since you've read the issue, mind enlightening me - where does his illusion powers come from? Innate/biological? Has his immortality been explained?
     
  16. Maxx Crowley

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    Oh yeah....I remember my uncle thought he was some kind of ghost.

    Okay, keep in mind, this was a LONG time ago. My uncle might still have the issue, I'm not sure, but I've just found out he's tested positive for C-19 so....not going to be visiting anytime soon.

    Well, his Dad wasn't human. But I don't know if his Dad's race was ever expounded on. My uncle thought the whole thing was ghost mind-fuckery, and the only REAL thing was actually the ring.

    Given that Malvolio never actually joined the GLC, he just killed his Dad and took his ring, I always wondered why the ring even worked for him.

    As for the illusion powers....eh, Power rings have been able to do ALL kinds of shit over the years. It could have been that, or it could have been Malvolio subjecting the void he was trapped in to his will and somehow controlling it.

    I don't think it was ever stated.

    As far as I know...no. Theories ranged from is power ring being the source. His non-human father being the source. Or the Void he was trapped in being the source.

    Now, technically Hal's ring going into his Parallax crazy pants time was Malvolio's...which means that the pieces of the ring that was used to make Kyle's....were also Malvolio's. Make of that what you will.

    From what I know of, DC basically has zero interest in the character. I hear he's been brought up a time or two, but no one in authority gives a shit.

    As far as I remember, pretty much everything Hal encountered was created by Malvolio, and it was guessed that Mal pretty much did everything he could to pull Hal's strings. The world was basically everything that would push Hal's buttons as I recall.

    It all boils down to, for reasons that were never explained, Malvolio really, really, really, REALLY wanted Hal to take his ring out.

    Hence why my Uncle figured Mal for a ghost, that was going to attempt to body jack Hal later on down the line in a Willpower vs Willpower situation.

    I on the other hand was going "WTF is this shit?"

    Kyle was my Lantern. Though my Uncle and Dad lead me to Alan, whom I have great affection for.
     
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    Lanterns not being able to make constructs in other colors is Zoat's rule, not DC's.

    Making constructs in other colors is just advanced. Might just be a coordinated use of light manipulation too. Lanterns can make themselves or objects invisible by bending light. For example, Hal would just wear his ring as Hal Jordan, but made invisible. Lanterns can also just make illusions by the by in the comics.

    Hal once tricked a foe by shifting the light to make it look like another color was his weakness.

    Oblivion, basically a construct lantern that embodied Kyle's fears, darker impulses, and doubts, joked that "With all due respect to Kermit the Frog, it's not easy not being green."

    Constructs requiring a connection to the ring is again, Zoat's rule and not DC's.

    So the illusions were just constructs with realistic colors.

    As for how he kept the powers after losing the ring to Hal, after planning on losing his ring to Hal options include- 1) Over the centuries he internalized the Glow like Alan internalized the Starheart in the comics. 2) He still had his lantern 3) He knows how to harness his own willpower like the former GL Priest tried to teach Hal to do when he tricked him into recharging his ring on a fake battery 4) He's half alien, what if he's half Maltusian like what resulted in Sala?
     
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    Strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." All HP/SW jokes aside, assuming Malvolio has indeed been trapped there for who knows how long and that he had no way out in flesh, him turning his ring into a horcrux and letting Hal kill him almost makes sense if you squint hard and tilt your head to the side as much as anatomically possible.
     
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  19. AidanMorgan

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    Why would you do that to a version of yourself?
     
  20. Threadmarks: Cold Iron (part 18)
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    26th June 2012
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    As we get closer, my ring starts identifying the technologies used in the construction of the space station. A.. slightly worrying amount is a partial match for Tartarath's technology, and I… Suppose that they would have been the most advanced species in our region of space when he left. Other bits and pieces could have come from more or less anywhere, though the general structure… There's a slightly narrower range of species who build spherical space stations, but… The separation of the sphere section implies that the people who build it didn't have artificial gravity and were using centripetal force to substitute for it. So… Built without artificial gravity and upgraded later? Emotional attachment?

    There's an open hangar, with a thin green film over it. I can't see Lord Malvolio himself… If he's been here long enough he probably could run a construct from his throne room to the exit, but there doesn’t appear to be a manual door and I'd be surprised if he went entirely without sleep. Sector Houses use a system like this-.

    No. No, this isn't a converted Sector House. The technologies and layout are wrong. But that does look like a Sector House atmosphere shield.

    "You spotted it too?"

    "He's either very good or very good."

    We pass through, and… I'm reminded of Emperor Palpatine's arrival on the Death Star. Ranks of soldiers and… Priests? Are lined up on either side, with a clear gangway between them. Some are the white skinned aliens I've seen so far, while others have pale orange skin. The pale orange ones are smaller, though… Without scanning them I can't say for certain that they're not the same species.

    Off to the far sides I see in-system ships which appear to be of local manufacture. I don't see anything obviously Sheeda, though. Have I misjudged? Would he have simply annihilated them the moment they arrived uninvited? If they were rude, that… Sounds possible. How desperate was the Queen?

    We touch down, and I release Diana as Jordan releases Mr Allen. Another humanoid is hurrying towards us along the open alley, this one… More human looking. That is to say, his skin is within the Caucasian colour range and he has both hair and a nose. He's wearing a blue jumpsuit, plain but for a white star with a small Green Lantern sigil in the centre and a white utility belt.

    "Welcome, travellers! I am Wallace, squire to Lord Malvolio."

    He smiles, slowing as he reaches us.

    "It has been so long since either my Lord or myself have crossed paths with anyone from Earth, and now two sets in the same day!"

    Diana nods, a polite smile on her face.

    "It will be interesting to meet a man so well-travelled. No one on Earth has any idea that there have been humans in space for so long."

    "To tell you the truth, I've almost forgotten what other humans look like."

    "Do you and Lord Malvolio wanna go home?"

    "I wouldn't presume to speak for Lord Malvolio, but for myself… I would be interested to see our former homeworld once more. It's been… Rather a long time."

    "Yeah, I skimmed your court records. You left Earth when he did?"

    "Verily."

    Jordan frowns. "How are you still alive? You've gotta be three hundred years old."

    "I suppose that I must be." Wallace nods solemnly. "I'd rather.. lost track. If… You'd like to accompany me, I'll escort you to Lord Malvolio now."

    Diana nods, and Wallace turns away to lead us further into the space station. Diana and Jordan take the lead, with Mister Allen-. It's hard to see, but I think he's… Blurring slightly. Looking around while trying to look like he's staying in one place? I wouldn't have spotted it if I wasn't specifically looking for it, and I hope that Lord Malvolio doesn't notice. I on the other hand limit myself to passive scans. The station is shielded and appears to be using a kinetic energy induction system to maintain a near perfectly even internal temperature. Which means that infrared is just showing me the walls.

    The people who were lined up to greet us remain staring ahead at least until the interior door closes, glancing neither left nor right as we passed them. That's a little disturb-.

    Jordan gasps and I'm… Not far off doing that myself as we walk into an antechamber and see… What looks suspiciously like a Green Central Power Battery standing tall as the centrepiece in the middle of the room. A quick ring-assisted comparison to the one I saw on Oa shows that it's somewhat smaller, though still far larger than any personal lantern. A… Bit larger than the industrial lanterns used in the larger Sector Houses, though I suppose that it could simply be an obsolete model that Malvolio got hold of. Its vibrant glow shows that it's definitely still active. If that's what it is, that might explain how he's kept his ring charged for so long.

    Except… Why wouldn't the Guardians pull the plug? The data I got from John's ring and from Hinon made it clear that doing that was very much an option. Was it..? Did they used to use lanterns which didn't have that function? Because if there's a way around the usual lockouts, that's something I need to know. I don't want to ever have to fight a Larfleeze who knows I'm coming.

    At least it doesn't seem to be disrupting my rings.

    The corridor out is wider, and leads to a grand staircase leading up to gold doors embossed with the green sigil. If the yellow weakness existed in this continuity, this would be a really stupid colour to use to decorate a space station. As it is, it's merely gaudy in the extreme.

    Wallace knocks on the door three times, and after a moment of 'remember whose home this is' waiting the doors slowly begin to open.

    I see Lord Malvolio himself almost immediately, and the Sheeda courtiers a moment later. The Sheeda are keeping their appearance as humanoid as possible and generally appear to be conducting themselves with decorum. And-. There's Gloriana Tenebrae.

    I don't look inside her. Aside from anything else, I don't imagine that I'd see anything that would actually help me achieve my objectives. Just a cavalcade of malicious decisions made for personal satisfaction. Anarawd is rationally self-interested. Melmoth is just vile, and I doubt that the woman who usurped him would be any better.

    Wallace remains still until the doors are fully open, then proceeds forward in a slow and stately fashion. As we follow him I contemplate switching to my formal robes… No. This is still a combat mission, and I'm still in a room with some very dangerous people.

    Malvolio doesn't appear much moved by our arrival, remaining slumped in his beautifully wrought chair throne. He really does look like a medieval take on Alan, red and green clothes combined with a tiny mask, which he wears… Why? I mean, at least Alan had a reason to conceal his identity. I can't imagine that Malvolio has any human family he actually knows left alive after all this time. And speaking of human… As we get closer and I can better estimate his size… He's either not human any more or at least not wholly human. He's about two metres tall but there are humans who are taller. It's that he's too broad, too muscular, and his proportions are off. His hands are large enough to envelop a normal person's head but honestly it's his head that's most obviously abnormal. It's expanded to match the proportions of his muscles, which makes it grotesquely large by human standards.

    I mean, if you saw him on his own from a distance you probably wouldn't notice it, but like this

    "Lord Malvolio." Diana bows, and after a momentary delay on Jordan's part the other League members do the same. I can't really bow properly in this armour, but I lean slightly along with them. "Thank you for inviting us into your home."

    "Long has it been since I have spoken with men and women from the world of my birth. And now two distinct types stand before me. Queen Gloriana claims dominion over the entire globe, and appeals to me to aid in the realisation of her claim. Who are you, and why do you seek me?"

    "I am Princess Diana of Themyscira. These are my colleagues…"

    Always a bit of a puzzle when dealing with people from other planets. Do you use the real name or their title? Or course, an alien wouldn't know that 'Flash' wasn't his real name, but that doesn't help when dealing with an exotic human like Malvolio.

    "Green Lantern Harold Jordan, the Flash, and Orange Lantern Paul."

    Oddly, Malvolio doesn't appear to be focusing on Jordan to any great degree. I would have thought that for better or worse that's where his eyes would fall.

    "And we would ask your aid in bringing the few remaining Sheeda to justice."
     
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    Name recognition.
     
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    men -> man
     
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    His manner of speech isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. With the quote from before I was expecting to have to analyse his words carefully to get what he was saying. This is much better though.
     
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    maybe 'side'

    maybe 'have crossed' since he's speaking for both of them.

    either 'meet men' or 'a man'

    'a rather long time'

    'a hold of'

    What has he been doing since Paul got him to Earth?

    Devlos's species, right?
     
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    Can someone clarify things, because I'm confused. Paul and the League followed Gloriana to a separate realm or dimension or timeline or what? I'm confused understanding where this Malvolio falls into things. Is he another Sinestro no one is doing anything about or what? And Malvolio will decide if Gloria should be able to conquer Earth? Does she have enough Sheeda to do that? If Malvolio ruled in her favor I imagine Paul might destroy the Castle Revolving to strand Gloriana away from Earth.
     
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    Has Zoat actually stated that the rings can't make constructs in other colors, or that they can't exist without a connection to the ring?

    He may have made them be capable of doing these things, but just hasn't shown us them doing it yet.

    And the reason Paul hasn't been practicing using these functions could be because he doesn't remember them doing it in the comics, or he has been practicing them, but hasn't found a need to use these new skills of his yet when other methods work just fine.

    They may have gotten here after they tampered with the ship.

    Malvolio was basically a guy that stole a ring and then the Guardians apparently imprisoned him somewhere.

    I think Gloriana is hoping that with Malvolios power she will be able to conquer Earth, even if she doesn't have enough Sheeda.
     
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    So it's basically a kludge of different styles, probably made from memory by someone whose understanding of the technologies involved was probably less than perfect at the time. Sounds about right for Malvolio's work, then?

    And in typical advanced technological fashion, there's no actual door? I hope there's at least an emergency backup, and a backup for the backup? Or would that be hoping for too much common sense.

    That's a matter of opinion. Presumably, they're assuming Malvolio is managing the station's functions himself?

    If they are the same species, maybe a different ethnic group? One of those 'That just raises more questions!' moments... Of course, that assumes they're actual people, and not some extremely skilled construct work...

    Maybe one of the shuttles you saw collected them? Or Malvolio ferried the Sheeda delegation over himself? That might have been beneath him, though... :confused: Just not enough data to be sure.

    Huh. So he brought along his offsider when he left Earth. Again, he may well be an extremely well-made construct. It all depends on assumptions...

    Nice to have it confirmed the Sheeda are here. And it sounds like he's older than he looks.

    Hmm... o_O Were there any travellers before Malvolio? I mean, we know about Aurakles and his lot, but did they ever leave the Solar System?

    Well, that's more insight than I'd give Hal credit for. So used to the memetic version, all "Who the hell is Bruce Wayne?" ignorance and cockiness... (And yes, that's something from the early new 52 comics, a flashback to the formation of the League during an Apokaliptian invasion...)

    Looking good for someone pushing four hundred.

    I know, right? I didn't think the Green light was good for that sort of thing... Not as good as Blue or Orange, certainly...

    Huh... Still not sure if he's just forgetful in a 'one day blurs into the next' sort of agelessness, or if he's just a construct that thinks it was human. I could see Malvolio doing that, making a replacement for his best friend after he passed of old age...

    Yay. The joy of someone who knows how to keep his shit hidden.

    So not hurting the case for them all being constructs. Not even a twitch, or a sidelong glance at their visitors? That kind of discipline does not strike me as natural.

    Goodness. That would be funnelling a lot of Willpower through it. Enough, say, to make an entire planet-sized construct and it's population, so realistic that they have their own emotions?

    For all we know, Malvolio made it based on the design of a personal lantern, simply scaling up without the restrictive software of its model. I shudder at the sheer power it would take to do so, though. By now, he could probably rival a Guardian for sheer control of Spectrum energy.

    The dance of stately manners. Something Malvolio would be intimately familiar with from his Earthly youth...

    Yeah, wouldn't do to go poking in the presence of your host. Now that you're presumably aware you can do it, maybe you can go poking around the Honden for transtemporal logs of her Avarice. At least for the times she's been in the present and relatively recent past...

    And this way, you make yourself seem like dumb muscle. A mere bodyguard for the real diplomat. :D Not that Diana needs it, does she?

    To be honest, he may well have modified himself over the centuries to better fit his status. To be blunt, he'd have left one hell of an impression in his day otherwise. The mask? :confused: I got nothing.

    From that pic you posted of his speech, he looks fairly normal, if slouched. But at that scale, his goblet would have to hold a liter or more of fluid... Imagine a cup holding a gallon of wine, American readers...

    ...That is a lot of green light. He's definitely closer to a Guardian than a human at this point. And really, I'm amazed he'd take Glory-Bra at her word. Wouldn't she look like something out of contemporary depictions of hell to him? :confused: Seriously: Head tentacles.

    He may well understand the use of pseudonyms from highwaymen or the like? Though that's not the best association... Maybe he'd think of it as a courtly title?

    Wow, okay, just drop the bomb, Diana. As for Malvolio paying attention to Hal... Who knows what manner of senses he has now? He might well have done a detailed scan of each of you the second you set foot on the station.

    And now it turns into a courtroom drama. The story just goes into all manner of genres, doesn't it? I predict Glory-Bra will have a lot to say about what Diana just announced. No doubt we'll see her reply tomorrow. And hopefully, at some point, Malvolio introducing her to a giant green pimp-hand of courtly respect.


    ...or at least not wholely human. (Not sure on the spelling, but the spellchecker picked it up.)
     
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    Thank you, corrected.
    No, it's both sides.
    Thank you, corrected.
    No, that's correct.
    Sitting where he's put, smiling vacantly.
    Yes.
    In order to avoid answering 'the SI doesn't know', I'll just tell you. She's offering him a way out of his prison and dominion over the Earth after the Harrowing is finished.
    Apparently, it's supposed to be 'wholly'.
     
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  29. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Did he even leave the planet?

    I know he went to the future, but I can't remember if he ever went to space.

    Like that mutated guy for the Justice Guild in the JL cartoon.

    If they aren't constructs then it honestly may be natural for them to act like that.

    Remember they're not human, so they may act in different ways.

    He wouldn't be the first person in authority to wear something weird.

    Men in the past used to wear wigs even when they had hair, and in some countries judges still do that.

    He may have thought the mask was a good choice for some reason, like to help him hide his facial expressions or something like that.

    The green light isn't exactly indicative that he's close to a Guardian now, Hal is also speaking in green.

    Though yeah he's probably a bit more than an average human now.

    Also the Sheeda may be using some kind of disguise to hide their more weird traits, or he may not care how they look since he lives surrounded by people that don't look all that much like humans.

    Leaders and rulers throughout history have taken on different names to symbolize something.

    The Roman emperors, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Malcolm X etc.

    He may view their names as something like this.
     
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    Nice non-answer! And noone makes a note of it. Not even meaningful sideglances at obvious deflection.

    Do not question the necessity and power of the tiny masks! In a place like DC even fake glasses will make a person completely unrecognizable as god(s) intended.

    Thou this 'I am not the droid person you're looking for' effect does warrant some research. Call for a Team meeting, start talking, conjure a pair of clear glasses and put them on. It they get alarmed and start trying to capture/restrain you like an intruder you obviously are you could call the experiment a success. If they think the intruder teleported away and swapped his place with your after your glasses get knocked off... well, that's concerning but has cheesing potential ;)

    3, 2, 1...

    Would anyone like to place a bet on the pointless fight ensuing in the next chapter? Well maybe the one after the next (we gotta get an equally pointless debate out of the way first).

    Odds of Lord Malvolio genuinely siding with the Team Protag are in low single digits according to my calculations. However the odds of LM seemingly siding with the Team Protag are slightly better (sudden yet inevitable betrayal is still happening regardless, just later).

    Huh. So she's Loki to Malvolio's Thanos. Makes sense.
     
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