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Probably Subjugation.
Which is going to have interesting effects on her relationships when she's older.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Which is going to have interesting effects on her relationships when she's older.
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In this Xenomorph scenario, does Paul remember Xenomorphs?
If he does, it will be a curbstomp as soon as he realizes what he is dealing with.
If he doesnt, it will just take slightly longer.
Even at his most reckless (Tangside, Grayven), I doubt Paul is dumb enough to break quarantine on an unknown alien egg. He definitely doesnt break quarantine on someome who falls unconscious right after an egg hatches.
Even with exotic abilities such as a Kryptonian, he can still likely contain them. The Power Rings are incresibly strong.
If he does, it will be a curbstomp as soon as he realizes what he is dealing with.
If he doesnt, it will just take slightly longer.
Even at his most reckless (Tangside, Grayven), I doubt Paul is dumb enough to break quarantine on an unknown alien egg. He definitely doesnt break quarantine on someome who falls unconscious right after an egg hatches.
Even with exotic abilities such as a Kryptonian, he can still likely contain them. The Power Rings are incresibly strong.
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I know Hinon has mentioned she could do magic, do we know why ring scans are absolutely nosold by even unpowered wards, even though Paul has discovered the problem?
Also, did we ever get back to unmiserabling Akhlys?
Also, did we ever get back to unmiserabling Akhlys?
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It's possible that while Controllers can do magic they may still not know enough to get pass some restrictions.
Also seeing as magic is pretty rare in this story they may not have placed it as a priority.
No, I don't think so.
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We know they haven't placed magic in general as a priority but any planet with an even minorly active arcane field becomes a massive security threat because they can hide things from Lanterns by scribbling shapes on a sticky note.
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You are working off of a flawed premise here.
The Kryptonian empire was not spread by their solar powers but their technology.
The sunstone warships are planet killers that can shoot missiles made out of sunstone that will consume your spaceship or planet while turning the mass into killer robots to go Skynet on you.
Warships that work under a red sun, green sun, any sun, no sun.
The counter to Kryptonians is having better technology, and species that can brag about that are rare.
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Ring scans, if done by a skilled user, can get past wards. They just destroy the ward in the process. And when the ward is watermarked into every important document, you're gonna have a lot of trouble from being forceful. I'm also sure that there are some other, higher tier wards that require more finesse or power to get by. Then there is the quintessential waveform scan that only energy based life forms, like the Ophidian, Paragon, and elementals, can do. That seems to be a slow, near guaranteed success. Looking forward to more of that in the future. The OL core should hire on some information greedy elementals to do wave form scans for them.
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I know it flawed but its not completely flawed because when OL went to daxim he encountered them useing sunstone armor that gave them the powers of a yellow sun and karsta has mentioned the same thing so that means their ground troops would most likely be yellow sun empowerment in armor because i would find it really ridiculous if the military caste would not take advantage that their species has under a yellow sun.
I also agree with you that their technology was near the top in DC as well so that help but i think you might agree with me that the military and science not taking advantage of yellow sun empowerment on their soldiers really would stretch belief.
While i dont know much about those in charge of the military caste the ones that we have seen Zod, Astra care about their soldiers and people and i can't see any competition general not taking every advantage they can get their hands on including making themselves and troops as close to physical gods as you can get without being one.
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And you missed the point.
Sunstone armor is self-replicating shapeshifting material.
Kryptonian soldiers in Sunstone armor would have all the options a Reach Scarab Warrior would have- able to create any weapon, any defense system, any sensor system, and medical systems.
To be able to kill a Kryptonian soldier the aliens would need to jump the hurdle of having superior technology first.
The first design hurdle a weaponmaker would need to jump to kill a Kryptonian soldier is not their solar powers but their armor.
What good do you think it would do for aliens to make weapons attacks that would bounce of ablative sunstone armor, be deflected by personal forcefield generators, or won't even reach the kryptonian thanks to missile defense systems?
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Wow i did not know that their armor was so much bullshit.
But most of that tech superman doesn't have and i don't think karsta has had the time to make it so they are Relying on the empowerment by yellow sunlight most likely and i might be remembering it wrong but it was show in the chaper that OL does an evaluation of the Justice League most civilizations military spaceships have weapons that are of sufficient power to kill them in a few shots.
Question then if they are this bullshit how come they haven't taken over most of their galaxy before because we know that they have gone thru multiple periods of military expansion before they became isolationists and i cant imagine that they're would have many civilizations that could slow them down. We know that the guardians dont really stop that type of thing so they most likely wouldn't be to much of a problem as long as they broke no rules from the book of Oa
I can see the Reach being able to put up a fight and maybe the Dominator if they arent taken seriously. Apocalypse definitely vega if they are given time to prepare. Thanagor definitely with nth metal the armor wouldn't matter their but not many other that i can think of but I will admit that I'm not a ridiculous lorebuff on DC in space
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1st September 2012
15:48 GMT
Space breaks at Persuader's axe-swing and I fly though without bothering to issue new orders. She's in no shape to fight right now, but there aren't any opponents left where she is. She can soak in a purple healing ray until she looks less like an animated-
Two more golden women, one with Lynne under her arm, are taking fire from heavily armed and armoured gordanians in what appears to be Grayven 16's clan colour. They're not taking cover and their coordination is excellent-. Lynne's controlling them.
-corpse, and then she can join me.
As I watch the gold woman with both arms free charges a squad who appear content to maintain fire without trying to evade their attacker as she raises her fists and smashes down, cracking skulls and shattering ribs! The guns don't seem to be doing anything, but it's costing Grayven 16 resources so I can't complain.
**Daddy, what's the plan?**
The golden woman carrying Lynne glances back at me with a frown.
**Let's try…** I straighten slightly, a sombre expression affixing itself to my face. "Thank you for fetching her. I will take her now."
She ignores the incoming fire and frowns at me. "Are-? Is that Estrogina's head?"
Oh, right. "When I give simple instructions, I expect them followed at once." Respect My Authority.
"Just do what he says, girls."
She doesn't look completely convinced, while her colleague picks up a troop transport shuttle and sends it rolling end over end towards the largest concentration of gordanian soldiers, pancaking them into the deck.
"Where's the rest of-?"
BOOM!
A new tube opens, and… Grayven 16 walks through, hands held loosely at his sides and that is some gaudy armour. Some of the surviving gordanains shift their fire to him, but it doesn't do anything other than make him frown very slightly.
The boom tube closes, and he folds his arms behind his back.
"Pretender." "Disgusting lesser being with delusions of mediocrity. Know that you have written your own fate."
I smile, raising my right hand in greeting. "Hi bruh, what's up!" "Yeah, that was the aim. Why aren't you doing that instead of stealing mine?"
He looks me over, eyes alighting briefly on his henchwoman's assimilated severed head. I on the other hand take a moment to look around. Some sort of launch bay? Looks mostly empty, aside from the soldiers and a few armoured shuttles. I assume that their escort fighters are already outside. Either that or they deploy by boom tube.
I dismiss Estrogina's head, causing it to decay to orange mist and flow into my ring. Ah, Zamaronian synthetic organics. That would explain the ring-proof skin. Grayven hired them as elite fighters by guaranteeing them fights in their weight class. She doesn't know anything about his wider ambitions.
Ring, where are we?
Scans inconclusive.
That's a bother. This does look like an Apokoliptian ship, and those can certainly mess around with power ring scans. Especially with a powerful New God in command.
Grayven 16 has moved from studying me to studying Lynne.
"This child. She is yours?" "There is nothing that you can have that I cannot take away."
"Yes indeed." "I don't have this problem with her other uncles."
"Why?"
"Why?" A stray plasma beam hits my right pauldron. "Ah, Lynne, poppet, could you..?"
I gesture to the gordanians gradually being mashed, and they pause in their firing to put their guns under their chins before firing once more. The rampaging gold woman jogs dejectedly to a halt as her targets slump to the deck.
"Thank you."
"Why do you have..? Her? Why does she exist?" "Why does she feel like us?"
"Esak tried using her as a living Anti-Life broadcaster. I couldn't be having with that. So I got rid of it, and used my soul to restore her." "You might want to try investing in individuals some time."
"Your… Soul." His eyes narrow. "Fraud, my soul is not yours to give away."
"Look, if you're annoyed about both of us existing, take it up with Desaad or something. I don't know why we both exist. The first I knew that you were a thing was when that Citadelian got hold of you." I make a gesture of appeal. "But I don't understand the hostility. You want to fight the Reach? I'll help you fight the Reach. You having trouble with Father-?" Implicit Unity of Purpose.
"I do not believe for a moment that Darkseid is your father."
"You don't see the resemblance?" "You don't feel the resemblance?"
"Appearances mean little. I half-believe that when I cut you down, your face will change to back to that of whatever chimeristic being you truly are." "I feel a trespass."
The gold woman holding Lynne raises her over her head. "So do you want me to keep holding the girl-?"
Other Grayven takes his eyes off me for a fraction of a second to glare her into acquiescence. "Hold."
"You need to train them better, bruh. But, seriously, I get that you don't like me 'diluting your brand'. What I don't understand is why you're prioritising me? You had a good thing going with the Reach. You could have tried to kill me once you'd built up a bit. Or co-ordinated with me until it was just us. I'm sure that our mother would-."
"My mother is dead."
His eyes start to glow with-. Purple light? I wasn't expecting purple.
I shake my head.
"Lady Mortalla is alive and-."
"Mortalla is one of Darkseid's concubines. She is not my mother." His eyes narrow. "So, you are not a duplicate. A true duplicate would know that as I do. Unless you actually are Mortalla's son by Darkseid, in which case I can only see your existence as an attempt to replace me."
Ah. Well, that's what I get for jumping to conclusions. And Mortalla wasn't likely to correct me over something like that, not as she was when she first arrived. She clearly knew Grayven when he was young, so perhaps..? She just thought I was referring to her maternal role rather than literally being my mother?
It seems to me that this man has exactly the same reason as me for wanting Darkseid dead. One last attempt at cooperating…
"Okay, but that doesn't answer my question. Why-?" "We're a lot alike. It would be more efficient-."
"I don't answer to you. I don't justify myself to you, or anyone else. I will rule supreme and alone, and when you are dead your power will become mine without the need for negotiation." "I conquer and take. 'Efficiency' is besides the point when I can replenish my reserves from what becomes mine."
"Well… Darn." I shrug. "Not much I can say to that. If you're committed to being an idiot-."
"I am not the idiot who split his power." The purple glow intensifies. "Do you know the difference between us?"
"I'm not a dick?"
"No. Her."
Purple beams flash out NO!
15:48 GMT
Space breaks at Persuader's axe-swing and I fly though without bothering to issue new orders. She's in no shape to fight right now, but there aren't any opponents left where she is. She can soak in a purple healing ray until she looks less like an animated-
Two more golden women, one with Lynne under her arm, are taking fire from heavily armed and armoured gordanians in what appears to be Grayven 16's clan colour. They're not taking cover and their coordination is excellent-. Lynne's controlling them.
-corpse, and then she can join me.
As I watch the gold woman with both arms free charges a squad who appear content to maintain fire without trying to evade their attacker as she raises her fists and smashes down, cracking skulls and shattering ribs! The guns don't seem to be doing anything, but it's costing Grayven 16 resources so I can't complain.
**Daddy, what's the plan?**
The golden woman carrying Lynne glances back at me with a frown.
**Let's try…** I straighten slightly, a sombre expression affixing itself to my face. "Thank you for fetching her. I will take her now."
She ignores the incoming fire and frowns at me. "Are-? Is that Estrogina's head?"
Oh, right. "When I give simple instructions, I expect them followed at once." Respect My Authority.
"Just do what he says, girls."
She doesn't look completely convinced, while her colleague picks up a troop transport shuttle and sends it rolling end over end towards the largest concentration of gordanian soldiers, pancaking them into the deck.
"Where's the rest of-?"
BOOM!
A new tube opens, and… Grayven 16 walks through, hands held loosely at his sides and that is some gaudy armour. Some of the surviving gordanains shift their fire to him, but it doesn't do anything other than make him frown very slightly.
The boom tube closes, and he folds his arms behind his back.
"Pretender." "Disgusting lesser being with delusions of mediocrity. Know that you have written your own fate."
I smile, raising my right hand in greeting. "Hi bruh, what's up!" "Yeah, that was the aim. Why aren't you doing that instead of stealing mine?"
He looks me over, eyes alighting briefly on his henchwoman's assimilated severed head. I on the other hand take a moment to look around. Some sort of launch bay? Looks mostly empty, aside from the soldiers and a few armoured shuttles. I assume that their escort fighters are already outside. Either that or they deploy by boom tube.
I dismiss Estrogina's head, causing it to decay to orange mist and flow into my ring. Ah, Zamaronian synthetic organics. That would explain the ring-proof skin. Grayven hired them as elite fighters by guaranteeing them fights in their weight class. She doesn't know anything about his wider ambitions.
Ring, where are we?
Scans inconclusive.
That's a bother. This does look like an Apokoliptian ship, and those can certainly mess around with power ring scans. Especially with a powerful New God in command.
Grayven 16 has moved from studying me to studying Lynne.
"This child. She is yours?" "There is nothing that you can have that I cannot take away."
"Yes indeed." "I don't have this problem with her other uncles."
"Why?"
"Why?" A stray plasma beam hits my right pauldron. "Ah, Lynne, poppet, could you..?"
I gesture to the gordanians gradually being mashed, and they pause in their firing to put their guns under their chins before firing once more. The rampaging gold woman jogs dejectedly to a halt as her targets slump to the deck.
"Thank you."
"Why do you have..? Her? Why does she exist?" "Why does she feel like us?"
"Esak tried using her as a living Anti-Life broadcaster. I couldn't be having with that. So I got rid of it, and used my soul to restore her." "You might want to try investing in individuals some time."
"Your… Soul." His eyes narrow. "Fraud, my soul is not yours to give away."
"Look, if you're annoyed about both of us existing, take it up with Desaad or something. I don't know why we both exist. The first I knew that you were a thing was when that Citadelian got hold of you." I make a gesture of appeal. "But I don't understand the hostility. You want to fight the Reach? I'll help you fight the Reach. You having trouble with Father-?" Implicit Unity of Purpose.
"I do not believe for a moment that Darkseid is your father."
"You don't see the resemblance?" "You don't feel the resemblance?"
"Appearances mean little. I half-believe that when I cut you down, your face will change to back to that of whatever chimeristic being you truly are." "I feel a trespass."
The gold woman holding Lynne raises her over her head. "So do you want me to keep holding the girl-?"
Other Grayven takes his eyes off me for a fraction of a second to glare her into acquiescence. "Hold."
"You need to train them better, bruh. But, seriously, I get that you don't like me 'diluting your brand'. What I don't understand is why you're prioritising me? You had a good thing going with the Reach. You could have tried to kill me once you'd built up a bit. Or co-ordinated with me until it was just us. I'm sure that our mother would-."
"My mother is dead."
His eyes start to glow with-. Purple light? I wasn't expecting purple.
I shake my head.
"Lady Mortalla is alive and-."
"Mortalla is one of Darkseid's concubines. She is not my mother." His eyes narrow. "So, you are not a duplicate. A true duplicate would know that as I do. Unless you actually are Mortalla's son by Darkseid, in which case I can only see your existence as an attempt to replace me."
Ah. Well, that's what I get for jumping to conclusions. And Mortalla wasn't likely to correct me over something like that, not as she was when she first arrived. She clearly knew Grayven when he was young, so perhaps..? She just thought I was referring to her maternal role rather than literally being my mother?
It seems to me that this man has exactly the same reason as me for wanting Darkseid dead. One last attempt at cooperating…
"Okay, but that doesn't answer my question. Why-?" "We're a lot alike. It would be more efficient-."
"I don't answer to you. I don't justify myself to you, or anyone else. I will rule supreme and alone, and when you are dead your power will become mine without the need for negotiation." "I conquer and take. 'Efficiency' is besides the point when I can replenish my reserves from what becomes mine."
"Well… Darn." I shrug. "Not much I can say to that. If you're committed to being an idiot-."
"I am not the idiot who split his power." The purple glow intensifies. "Do you know the difference between us?"
"I'm not a dick?"
"No. Her."
Purple beams flash out NO!
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The Godspeech conversation between the lines:
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'through'
Hello Eric Cartman.
Don't forget the ugly hair.
Were getting a bro down!
'flow'
Yeah, when they showed up in the Paragon chapter they were really into fighting.
And I doubt she cares.
Ugh, big mistake there Big G.
Well Scott is a good guy, Kalibak only showed up once and Orion may not know about her.
Getting some Code Geass vibes here.
So she still has her fighting spirit.
Remove 'with'
Technically you knew before that.
And you're right.
'expecting'
Ahh, so Zoat didn't change Grayven's origin here.
Yes, this is what you get.
Hopefully you'll lear...oh who am I kidding, you never learn.
Also she may not remember it happening to her.
It's understandable why she wouldn't want to.
'wanting'
You are a dick.
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While this would be an extremely terrible idea... Is it possible that Lynne incorporates the Omega Effect, rather than die from getting hit?
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I'm not sure this will happen.
The only time I remember it happening in the comics was in the Justice League Odyssey comic where Jessica Cruz managed to gain control of a bit of it after Darkseid hit her with it.
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That, or they reflect his emotional state somehow and they're different now since this is more personal.
Or it could be both a variable effect depending on his emotional state.
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Good, remembering to take care of your subordinates. That's one thing Grayven-16 has shown a disdain for, beyond ensuring their usefulness remains apparent. That's going to give you an edge here...
EDIT: Whoops, had the 'who's controlling who' angle turned around... Still leaving the original comments in, though...
At least they aren't immune to telepathic control. Though I'm surprised she hasn't taken the gordanians over too. Is the two femazons her limit, or are they just that difficult to hold on to, that she requires her full focus on them? Edit: Okay, really grabbed the wrong end of the stick there. Easy mistake to make... On the other hand, it shows just how good she is to control, what, dozens of gordanians at once, then?
Or maybe she's just being cautious. No point pushing herself to dominate the gordanians if Grayven-16 is bolstering them, and it brings her Godhead into conflict with his... To be fair, the controlled gordanians can't really use anything larger for fear of injuring Lynne... After all, powerful as she is, she's still a tween girl and thus very squishy..
Amusing. They're so confused, they don't know who to shoot, so they're just shooting everyone. Foolish. And good lord, that is terribly early-2000's design 
(Or maybe late-90's...) Trying to be iconic, but so over-designed... Okay, their shooting him is clearly at Lynne's direction, then. Still an amusing image. Him just standing there as their fire plinks off him...
Ah, so she could have done that at any time, or was the middle of a firefight just a bit too distracting? Again, my mistake on assuming who was being controlled, huh? Guess tall, golden and angry is a little annoyed she doesn't get to squish more lizards, though...
Ah, Lynne's control weakening in the face of their Master? She'd better be careful, no telling what he may command. Knowing she's not in control of them makes this a lot scarier, honestly. Remember: squishy girl in the hands of a murderous, super-strong grunt...
It's certainly in theme with his usual later colouring.
Oh, hell, no! Lynne's not going out like that... I foresee her making the femazon take the hit for her... Or not...
Even better.
I don't think they're going to believe you're their boss, Renegade. For one thing, you have much better fashion sense.
Ah, when Diplomacy fails, Intimidation comes into play...
Well, at least they're powerful dumb muscle...
Ah, here... We... Go! Grab your snacks and settle in for the snark-off!
(Or maybe late-90's...) Trying to be iconic, but so over-designed... Okay, their shooting him is clearly at Lynne's direction, then. Still an amusing image. Him just standing there as their fire plinks off him...Ah, Grayven-16... Trying to be lordly and regal, but he just comes across as pompous and insecure.
And there's confirmation of their origins, in this story at least. And I was right, they're just dumb muscle. Still a better presumed fate than the Paragon timeline (believed lost in the burning of Wombworld.)
Which means you have the disadvantage in the battle of Godly Narrative. Unless you can somehow subvert his control of the ship from under him, he has the home-ground bonus.
Try it and you'll unleash the full force of the Renegade's Papa Bear mode..
To be fair, she hasn't actually met any of them. Scot is Highfather's son, after all.
The difference between Grayven's 'Conquest by Force' and the Renegade's 'Conquest by Acquisition' in a single sentence.
Even know, the Renegade's trying to recruit him? Alas, this situation is beyond all diplomacy. This will come down to Righteous Face-punching.
Especially given that Darkseid has endorsed the Renegade, whereas Grayven-16 isn't even acknowledged as existing by Him.
Knowing she's not in control of them makes this a lot scarier, honestly. Remember: squishy girl in the hands of a murderous, super-strong grunt...Heh. Probably the best approach to take to put him off-balance. He wants to be taken seriously? Show the little edgelord how silly he is...
...Huh, My choice of colour for his invisitext becomes eerily prescient.
It's certainly in theme with his usual later colouring....He's really trying to claim 'they aren't my real parents'? Talk about a drama queen.
...And then the face-punching begins. Really, why are you still trying this? He's clearly not going to join forces with you...
And there's the difference between them. The Renegade is a man, trying to make the world better. Grayven-16 is a child, screaming to the universe that he's big, tough and doesn't need any friends.
Well, that's up for debate. No, the proper response should have been "I make this look good."
Oh, hell, no! Lynne's not going out like that... Oh, that's an evil cliffhanger, Mr Zoat. Now we have to wait to see how Lynne gets out of this. At least you're doing a good job of making us really hate Grayven.
I'm so looking forwards to him realising how badly he's lost as the Renegade finishes him off... But hopefully not before he pays a toll in pain for all the trouble he's caused the galaxy...
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This makes it twice now that a Grayven had struck at Renegade's family and friends. Hopefully he'll react better than that time when he thought Sunset and Rex were dead.
That said, I'll be quite disappointed if Renegade doesn't at least retaliate with a faceful of radion blasts courtesy of invisible drones toting radion cannons.
That said, I'll be quite disappointed if Renegade doesn't at least retaliate with a faceful of radion blasts courtesy of invisible drones toting radion cannons.
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Though his Earth 50 self may have been different in that regard, at least nudging by him taking Sinthia with him when she was hit with the Anti-Life.
In the previous chapter she said she was having difficulty with them so she may not be able to do more.
I think it was a 90's design.
Because he is pompous and insecure.
Deep down he's still a Paul, so trying to recruit people, even when they're evil and too dangerous, especially when they're evil and too dangerous, is gonna be a thing.
Just like his comic book self.
Well to be fair, Mortalla isn't his mother and Darkseid was more of a gene donor.
Again, he's a Paul.
Expect this.
All so that daddy notices him.
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I'm surprised you used that version of Grayven. There is a canonical Young Justice Grayven who in my opinion looks better.
https://youngjustice.fandom.com/wiki/Grayven
https://youngjustice.fandom.com/wiki/Grayven
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That was like a few centuries ago. He probably tries on new looks from time to time.
Bud-E
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Yeah that makes sense if you're immortal you will have a phase or twenty where everything you wore during it made you look like an over-designed asshole.
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I think it's called "lying".
If he was very precise, perhaps he didn't know until after he started writing, in which case the SI wouldn't know.
Or he goofed and checked later, but it works out to have the same end result.
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Thank you, corrected.
No, that's correct.
Thank you, corrected.
Ah, no. She's controlling the gordanians. As previously established the Zamarons are immune.
I try and be careful with this sort of question these days. Mortalla did not give birth to him.
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I stand corrected, then. And made some edits to my previous commentary to reflect that. Though knowing that honestly makes the cliffhanger even more tense...