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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

No doubt with lots of the Vorlon equivalent of swearing from the crews aboard.
As I understand it, vorlon ships generally have a crew of one. And it's really more 'you're seeing this too, right?'.
Well, it's less 'he's an atheist' and more 'he's not from this universe, so he doesn't have the Vorlon genetic tampering that makes all the local Younger Races' members see Vorlons as angels'.
Yes, this is it.
The Road Home is the recent animated movie that functionally ends B5's original story and established a new timeline (so far, sans the Shadow War) for the reboot JMS was working on to take place in.
(The reboot that now, again, appears to be in development hell...)
I watched Legends of the Rangers. Maybe it's best just to let the original stand on its own.
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Both are mighty tasty when fried and dipped in butter.
Honestly, 'tasted better when fried and dipped in butter' covers 90%+ of edible food, and a staggering amount of inedible things too. Reminds me of Pratchett (I think? It may have been Douglas Adams) on escargot - 'if you cook them in garlic and butter, they taste of garlic and butter.'
 
So, anyway, there are two main parts of this chapter: Maltusians being misinterpreted for Lorien's species by Vorlons

Huh, did not think of that.

But yeah, I can see it work.

They may know that Lorien doesn't exactly approve of their game, so he apparently sent someone to throw a wrench into the whole thing.

And this is why its dangerous to ignore people, you can be proven wrong and continue on as if you were right with everyone else seeing otherwise

They're ignoring you.

At this point any statement you make is automatically suspected to be meaningless nonsense, because 99% of the time it is meaningless nonsense.

The 1% where you're right is very, very, very rare, but because you usually post meaningless things, that 1% will forever be questioned about it's validity.
 
Honestly, 'tasted better when fried and dipped in butter' covers 90%+ of edible food, and a staggering amount of inedible things too. Reminds me of Pratchett (I think? It may have been Douglas Adams) on escargot - 'if you cook them in garlic and butter, they taste of garlic and butter.'
Pratchett. It was in Snuff. The next line was something like 'and not escargot, which would have been disastrous'.
 
That was a impressive trophy for the soul hunter, getting hold of a Drakh
Fun fact.

The Drakh and Soul Hunters can be considered to be peers in a way.

The show explained that the Drakh were Shadow servants, but it never really gave an answer about the Soul Hunters.

However, in other materials, like the books and RPGs, it is explained that the Soul Hunters were created by the Mindriders, a First One race.

The Mindriders were a race that became non-corporeal before they reached the stars, and as the name suggests, they spent their time entering the minds of corporeal being in order to experience what they experience.

One day they noticed that members of the Speaker race began to die because they were not born with immortality.

In order to repay them for being their guides, the Mindriders created the Soul Hunters so that the souls of the Speakers who died could be preserved.

So yeah, the Drakh and Soul Hunters are both First One servitor races.
 
Vorlons are Order and the Shadows are Chaos and we know how Paul's default align.

Also the Shadows question is 100% Orange Light aligned.

It's also worth mentioning that Paul will come off to Vorlons as the Vorlons do to the younger races.
 
As I understand it, vorlon ships generally have a crew of one. And it's really more 'you're seeing this too, right?'.
Vorlon fleet's generally have a crew of one.

Kosh and Ulkesh were exceptions because they were Ambassadors.

I watched Legends of the Rangers. Maybe it's best just to let the original stand on its own.
The Road Home is actually really good and fills in some holes from the series.

On that note, come on man, you're writing in the setting, at least do minimum research so you can portray it realistically.


It's also worth mentioning that Paul will come off to Vorlons as the Vorlons do to the younger races.
Realistically the Vorlon's are probably contacting the Shadows right now to jointly hunt Paul and his backers down and destroy them.

Because that's what happened 10,000 years ago when a similar situation occurred.

Or if you go solely by the show, the Vorlon's are partying because another first one breaking the rules of engagement like that means they're no longer restrained by said rules so now can just send their fleets out to destroy anything touched by the Shadows.
 
Huh, did not think of that.

But yeah, I can see it work.

They may know that Lorien doesn't exactly approve of their game, so he apparently sent someone to throw a wrench into the whole thing.

I forget if it was expressed in canon, ancillary canon, or was just something someone mused about but I recall reading that the Vorlons and Shadows had originally been taked with the elder First Ones (like Lorien) with watching over and shepherding the Younger Races as they rose. But they disagreed on how: the Shadows wanted their charges to be latchkey kids, while the Vorlons wanted to be helicopter parents, and over the millenia things devolved into the "my way!" "no, MY way!" of the year 2257.

...regardless of that, if the Vorlons did conclude that-
"According to them, they're the oldest species in the universe." I shrug. "But it's not as if I could check." The ball blinks.
-'Matthew Underwood' was indeed referring to Lorien here, it's possible that right now they're all very frantically trying not to have Lyta realise they're all running around like headless energy-chickens.
"Oh no, Dad's awake! And he sent someone to check in on us! What do we do?? What if he decides to stop over in person to check on our homework?!"

Relatedly-
"We will grant her sanctuary. Your presence is-" Lyta gets enveloped in cream light. "-no longer required, servant of the First Ones."
-if that is the authorial intent, it might be desirable to change this to 'First One'.

Because yeah. Lorien is not 'a First One'.

Lorien is The First One.
 
I forget if it was expressed in canon, ancillary canon, or was just something someone mused about but I recall reading that the Vorlons and Shadows had originally been taked with the elder First Ones (like Lorien) with watching over and shepherding the Younger Races as they rose. But they disagreed on how: the Shadows wanted their charges to be latchkey kids, while the Vorlons wanted to be helicopter parents, and over the millenia things devolved into the "my way!" "no, MY way!" of the year 2257.

...regardless of that, if the Vorlons did conclude that-
Darkness and Light covers that.

The Exodus
(Z–2,000,000)
The Vorlons' transition to their Fourth Age was one of the few
successful ones to take place in the aftermath of the invasion.
Even the survivors of the war were severely damaged; several
races lacked the will or the infrastructure or the numbers to
rebuild. More and more homeworlds became tomb planets
like Z'ha'dum, and the galaxy became a haunted place for the
elder races.

It was time to leave. The elder races had so devastated the
galaxy that none of the Younger Races of that era would
ever make it out of their Second Ages. The consensus, fi rst
vocalised by Lorien himself, was that the galaxy now belonged
to the races that were to come, those races who were now
no more than single-celled amoebas or small scavengers or
parasites or fi sh, but would one day reach out for the stars.
Out beyond the Rim, the surviving First Ones could stretch
their powers without putting the Younger Races at risk of
another invasion or similar disaster and without warping
them by their presence.

One by one, the First Ones began to depart from the galaxy.
The few surviving Speakers were in the vanguard of this
exodus, departing from the tomb world of Z'ha'dum where
they had tried and failed to resurrect their race. Other species
who had been damaged by the long wars left in hopes of
healing; still others left because the galaxy held no secrets or
challenges for them.

Not all were willing to leave. Some still had scientifi c or
artistic projects ongoing, others wished to protect particularly
favoured planets or races. Lorien proposed that one or two
of the First Ones stay behind, to watch over the developing
galaxy. The duty of these guardians would primarily be to
protect the developing races against an invasion from outside
the galaxy by a middleborn race or extradimensional force,
or from some natural disaster like a lethal supernova chain
reaction or a self-replicating machine plague. However,
the guardians would also guide the Younger Races towards
adulthood. Only the two guardians would be permitted
contact with the Younger Races; the other elder races who
remained in the galaxy were forbidden from establishing any
sort of contact.

To prevent a single guardian race from stamping its own
cultural identity on the Younger Races, it was decided that
two guardians – equal and opposite forces – would present
different poles for the Younger Races to navigate between.
The choice of the fi rst race to guard the galaxy was obvious
and inevitable – the Shadows had no interest in leaving for
the Rim and had always been on the fringes of the galactic
community. To balance the chaotic nature of the Shadows,
the Vorlons were also asked to serve as guardians.

A few of the Speakers, including Lorien, chose to remain
behind. Their numbers swiftly dwindled, even though they
had long ago transcended physical form and were effectively
indestructible. They just…went away.

-'Matthew Underwood' was indeed referring to Lorien here, it's possible that right now they're all very frantically trying not to have Lyta realise they're all running around like headless energy-chickens.
"Oh no, Dad's awake! And he sent someone to check in on us! What do we do?? What if he decides to stop over in person to check on our homework?!"
General reminder that Lorien working with Sheridan was what allowed the Vorlon's to go full "kill them all".

Lorien is a voice that the Vorlon's and Shadows will stop to hear, but not a voice they are afraid of or willing to listen too unless he has the backing of everybody else.
 
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Just realized that if Paul ever ends up verbally sparring with Mr. Morden having this new Drakh associate could help Paul stay ahead of Morden's tricks.
 
Just realized that if Paul ever ends up verbally sparring with Mr. Morden having this new Drakh associate could help Paul stay ahead of Morden's tricks.
The Drakh's idea of subtly is sticking a Keeper on someone and forcefully controlling their actions.

The Drakh are also 120% loyal to the Shadows, to the point where if Paul ever finds himself acting against them there's absolutely no realistic possibility of the Drakh not turning on him.
 
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Hello again, this is my interpretation of the characters; they could totally be inaccurate, but I'll once again stick behind the fact that I am truly horrible at retaining character descriptions

Ps: really vibing so far with this story, and this is how my lizard brain expresses gratitude and appreciation

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-'Matthew Underwood' was indeed referring to Lorien here, it's possible that right now they're all very frantically trying not to have Lyta realise they're all running around like headless energy-chickens.
"Oh no, Dad's awake! And he sent someone to check in on us! What do we do?? What if he decides to stop over in person to check on our homework?!"

Relatedly-

-if that is the authorial intent, it might be desirable to change this to 'First One'.

Because yeah. Lorien is not 'a First One'.

Lorien is The First One.
The S.I. said them, therefore he's not just talking about Lorien. The vorlon just doesn't know who. Clearly, it's an elder species because that's a nifty piece of kit they've given him, but that's all they can really conclude.
 
Fagging (part 23) New
30th September 2013
10:15 GMT -5


Lonnie considers me for a moment, and then picks up the phone handset on his side of the barrier.

"Why am I in Belle Reve? This is a prison, not a jail."

"It was close by, and it's rated to handle supervillains. Congratulations on joining the fraternity, by the way."

He slumps forwards. "I don't expect much from government, but I'm still disappointed."

"Lonnie, you've got as good an idea of how governments actually function as anyone who's never been part of one. How much 'government' do you really think was involved in the decision to put you here?"

He frowns. "You decided to put me here?"

"'Decided' is probably the wrong word. This is standard procedure once a supervillain is apprehended, though given the way you rejected my attempt at negotiation, I'm certainly not regretting it."

"And who made it standard procedure?"

"A lot of people chipped in, no one really saw any reason to reject the idea."

"The Justice League."

"The Justice League isn't the reason why you're here. Your actions are the reason why you're here."

"I know that. This is just making me all the more aware of how much power the League has accumulated."

"If it makes you feel any better, it's power the League doesn't want."

"They're using it a lot for people who don't want it."

I shrug. "You know the reason. The actual system collapsed. Pure anarchy would have resulted in mass starvation and violence."

He studies me for a moment.

"Do you think I'm lying?"

"I don't think so, but I can't see any reason why you couldn't use your rings to control your facial expression."

"Fair point." I take off my left ring and put it down on the small desk in front of me. And then I pointedly repeat the process with the right. "This is the best option we had."

"You can remote control your rings."

I sigh, roll my eyes, and then scoop my rings up and throw them into the corner of the room. And then I lean closer to the glass.

"See an orange glow?"

"Um. No."

"This is the best option we had." I smile brightly. "Okay?"

"You believe it. That doesn't make it true."

"Alright." I point my left hand in the direction where I threw my rings and summon them back. "What would you have done, in our place, with our resources?"

He sits back. "I don't know. But whatever it was, I'd have stopped by now."

"Have you spoken to anyone in the upper reaches of the American government recently?"

"No."

"I have. And I've seen their plans. Hoo boy, they are…" Ah… "They're nonsensical on a practical, financial, cultural and historical level. And I'm pretty sure that the only reason why they haven't gone 'we must do something, this is something, therefore we must do it' is the League's plan, which while far from perfect, is basically working."

"I wouldn't do their plan either."

"Do you want us to control the government, or do you want us to not control the government?"

"I don't want you to control the species. 'Someone has to so it might as well be me' isn't a good enough answer!'"

"I can lie if you prefer." I shrug. "Those are the options. Or I suppose that I could drop a few grams of antimatter on every national and state capital on the planet… That would probably slow things down… Maybe by an entire year."

"Did you just come here to justify yourself to me?"

"No. That sort of immaturity and lack of realism is why I was leaving you alone. Why I planned to leave you alone for a few years before offering you a power ring. But I have no interest in giving an orange power ring to someone who uses mind controlled civilians as information gathering tools. Think about it while you serve your sentence. Oh, and one other thing. I don't expect you to tell me anything about where your allies might go, but I would like to know what you did with the iteration of Enginehead you abducted. Artificial intelligences as complex as him are people, and I'll be extremely disappointed if you've used him as a slave."

"I didn't keep him as a slave. I just studied how his mind worked and copied some data. Which is what you're planning on doing to me."

"True, but we plan on releasing you once you've completed your sentence. And we're doing so in a situation where you were presenting a clear and present danger to the public. Enginehead at worst mildly endangering two people."

"One person. I know Mitchell is a kryptonian."

"So..?"

"I think that I will plead the fifth. If I can still do that."

"Sort of. But LexCorp can and will push for a separate prosecution, and I can't think of a reason to try and stop it."

"I'm not trying to take over the world!"

"And those crystals couldn't be used for a mass mind-altering projection?" I flick my right hand dismissively. "Don't answer that, I know they could." I sigh. "Alright, I don't have anything else to say to you. You should do some thinking about your hypocrisy and maybe get a little real world experience before you try messing around with the world again. And I'll try to make sure that the current state of affairs isn't permanent."

I stand.

"Good day, Master Machin. I doubt that we'll see each other for quite some time."

I return the handset to the cradle, turn and

step out, aiming for

Shadowcrest. The building is warded well enough to block this sort of thing, but I'm on the guest list. Zatanna looks around from… A blackboard covered in arcane chalk scribbling.

"Any joy?"

"The Dream is treating Tim as if he's a manifestation of the concept of wizardry. I don't know why and I don't know how, but that's the only way the equations work."

"And what does that mean for him?"

"You..? Remember you talked about the cats one time..?"

"Yes?"

"It's entirely possible that it's true that he has a mother and a father, and that it's true that two different women are his mother and two different men are his father despite only one woman giving birth to him and one man siring him." She exhales. "And I don't really know what that means for him or for us."

I nod. "Sadly, the universe is badly constructed and run by idiots, so that sort of thing is just inevitable. My advice is not to worry about it unless it affects our work."

She looks at me with concern. "Your talk with Lonnie go badly?"

I nod, then shrug. "I guess I can't win them all. How's Hiro doing?"
 
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30th September 2013
10:15 GMT -5


Lonnie considers me for a moment, and then picks up the phone handset on his side of the barrier.

"Why am I in Belle Reve? This is a prison, not a jail."
Gee, I don't know. Could be something to do with the mind-controlled civilians. Even if you weren't directly involved in that, you're still an accessory and probably planned it. Admittedly, he's a bit young for Belle Reve, but juvenile detention probably doesn't have the security needed to prevent him walking out.

"It was close by, and it's rated to handle supervillains. Congratulations on joining the fraternity, by the way."

He slumps forwards. "I don't expect much from government, but I'm still disappointed."
I hope it has the shielding to disrupt Boom and Hush Tube apertures now, or his stay will be short.

"Lonnie, you've got as good an idea of how governments actually function as anyone who's never been part of one. How much 'government' do you really think was involved in the decision to put you here?"

He frowns. "You decided to put me here?"
Or League protocols recommended it. I know Lonnie has issues with authority figures but they do have good ideas sometimes.

"'Decided' is probably the wrong word. This is standard procedure once a supervillain is apprehended, though given the way you rejected my attempt at negotiation, I'm certainly not regretting it."

"And who made it standard procedure?"
You don't get to leave just by going 'You're not the boss of me', Lonnie.

"A lot of people chipped in, no one really saw any reason to reject the idea."

"The Justice League."
It's called experience, Lonnie. Something you don't have a lot of.

"The Justice League isn't the reason why you're here. Your actions are the reason why you're here."

"I know that. This is just making me all the more aware of how much power the League has accumulated."
Not by choice, you dipstick. People happen to trust folks like Superman because they're good guys.

"If it makes you feel any better, it's power the League doesn't want."

"They're using it a lot for people who don't want it."
Because no-one else has stepped up to ask for it back and have the ability to handle it.

I shrug. "You know the reason. The actual system collapsed. Pure anarchy would have resulted in mass starvation and violence."

He studies me for a moment.
I think you stunned him, like telling a toddler Santa Claus isn't real.

"Do you think I'm lying?"

"I don't think so, but I can't see any reason why you couldn't use your rings to control your facial expression."
He just can't accept anything at face value, can he?

"Fair point." I take off my left ring and put it down on the small desk in front of me. And then I pointedly repeat the process with the right. "This is the best option we had."

"You can remote control your rings."
Good grief, he just keeps moving his goalposts.

I sigh, roll my eyes, and then scoop my rings up and throw them into the corner of the room. And then I lean closer to the glass.

"See an orange glow?"

"Um. No."
Good. Maybe now you can accept what he has to tell you...

"This is the best option we had." I smile brightly. "Okay?"

"You believe it. That doesn't make it true."
...Good grief, kid! He just keeps digging himself deeper, doesn't he?

"Alright." I point my left hand in the direction where I threw my rings and summon them back. "What would you have done, in our place, with our resources?"

He sits back. "I don't know. But whatever it was, I'd have stopped by now."
And now we're reminded that for all his intelligence, he is still a twelve-year-old without much life experience. That's the sort of 'I don't know but I bet I could do better than you' attitude I'd expect from someone twice his age...

"Have you spoken to anyone in the upper reaches of the American government recently?"

"No."
Maybe you should, when or if you get out. still expecting his buddies to open a Hush Tube and yoink him away when no-one's watching.

"I have. And I've seen their plans. Hoo boy, they are…" Ah… "They're nonsensical on a practical, financial, cultural and historical level. And I'm pretty sure that the only reason why they haven't gone 'we must do something, this is something, therefore we must do it' is the League's plan, which while far from perfect, is basically working."
And thank goodness for that.

"I wouldn't do their plan either."

"Do you want us to control the government, or do you want us to not control the government?"

"I don't want you to control the species. 'Someone has to so it might as well be me' isn't a good enough answer!'"
You do realise that OL's been telling you the League don't want to be doing it either? But they're stuck with it for now.

"I can lie if you prefer." I shrug. "Those are the options. Or I suppose that I could drop a few grams of antimatter on every national and state capital on the planet… That would probably slow things down… Maybe by an entire year."

"Did you just come here to justify yourself to me?"
No, he's trying to talk some sense into that neutronium chip on your shoulder.

"No. The sort of immaturity and lack of realism is why I was leaving you alone. Why I planned to leave you alone for a few years before offering you a power ring. But I have no interest in giving an orange power ring to someone who uses mind controlled civilians as information gathering tools. Think about it while you serve your sentence. Oh, and one other thing. I don't expect you to tell me anything about where your allies might go, but I would like to know what you did with the iteration of Enginehead you abducted. Artificial intelligences as complex as him are people, and I'll be extremely disappointed if you've used him as a slave."
Oh, yes, that was a thing, wasn't it.

"I didn't keep him as a slave. I just studied how his mind worked and copied some data. Which is what you're planning on doing to me."

"True, but we plan on releasing you once you've completed your sentence. And we're doing so in a situation where you were presenting a clear and present danger to the public. Enginehead at worst mildly endangering two people."
And that only because of disrupted priorities, if I remember right.

"One person. I know Mitchell is a kryptonian."

"So..?"
Just because he wasn't in significant danger doesn't make it any better.

"I think that I will plead the fifth. If I can still do that."

"Sort of. But LexCorps can and will push for a separate prosecution, and I can't think of a reason to try and stop it."

"I'm not trying to take over the world!"
No, I'm sure you're not about to try. But your plans will just make things worse.

"And those crystals couldn't be used for a mass mind-altering projection?" I flick my right hand dismissively. "Don't answer that, I know they could." I sigh. "Alright, I don't have anything else to say to you. You should do some thinking about your hypocrisy and maybe get a little real world experience before you try messing around with the world again. And I'll try to make sure that the current state of affairs isn't permanent."
You know he'll just dismiss everything you told him as obfuscation or deception.

I stand.

"Good day, Master Machin. I doubt that we'll see each other for quite some time."
At least until the next Illuminati affair.

I return the handset to the cradle, turn and

step out, aiming for

Shadowcrest. The building is warded well enough to block this sort of thing, but I'm on the guest list. Zatanna looks around from… A blackboard covered in arcane chalk scribbling.
Handy having a firewall exception. Hopefully it's tuned to him specifically. I don't know if Xor has tried Greediporting yet, but he might show up with a similar signature.

"Any joy?"

"The Dream is treating Tim as if he's a manifestation of the concept of wizardry. I don't know why and I don't know how, but that's the only way the equations work."
Well, it makes sense in a weird way. Someone destined to be the ultimate mage must have some kind of hack going on.

"And what does that mean for him?"

"You..? Remember you talked about the cats one time..?"

"Yes?"
The 'Humanity overthrew giant cats by dreaming together' thing?

"It's entirely possible that it's true that he has a mother and a father, and that it's true that two different women are his mother and two different men are his father despite only one woman giving birth to him and one man siring him." She exhales. "And I don't really know what that means for him or for us."
Sounds like it's a case of 'let's not think too hard about it'.

I nod. "Sadly, the universe is badly constructed and run by idiots, so that sort of thing is just inevitable. My advice is not to worry about it unless if affects our work."

She looks at me with concern. "Your talk with Lonnie go badly?"

I nod, then shrug. "I guess I can't win them all. How's Hiro doing?"
Like talking at a wall. He didn't want to listen, OL got sick of trying to penetrate his biases.

Is that what talking to an opinionated young teen feels like? I'm amazed OL kept his cool for so long before he finally gave up. I can also see why he's frustrated, though. Lonnie thinks he's worked out how the world works, but he's a kid without a lot of the context needed to get why things are the way they are. And the friction when his expectations grind against reality just make it worse...
 
"Why am I in Belle Reve? This is a prison, not a jail."
Also he's underaged so should be in juvinial detention not prison.

"Did you just come here to justify yourself to me?"
Yes, you beat him, and thats the one thing Orange Lantern can't stand.

"Good day, Master Machin. I doubt that we'll see each other for quite some time."
I seriously doubt this.

Either the League will free him because he's underaged, his associates will free him, or the Light will free him.
 
"Alright." I point my left hand in the direction where I threw my rings and summon them back. "What would you have done, in our place, with our resources?"

He sits back. "I don't know. But whatever it was, I'd have stopped by now."

"Have you spoken to anyone in the upper reaches of the American government recently?"

"No."
This is the most quintessentially Anarchy thing I could ever imagine him saying and such a delight to read.

Lonnie's so arrogant that he thinks his own nonexistent solutions are better than anything anyone else could come up with, by dint of those other solutions not having been thought up by him. He rages that no one's asked him to check their homework questions even though he hasn't started on the work himself.

Congratulations Lonnie, once you're in a prison cell you really can be the smartest person in the room, always, just like you knew you were.
 
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This is the most quintessentially Anarchy thing I could ever imagine him saying and such a delight to read.

Lonnie's so arrogant that he thinks his own nonexistent solutions are better than anything anyone else could come up with, by dint of those other solutions not being thought up by him. He rages that no one's asked him to check their homework questions even though he hasn't start on the work himself.

Congratulations Lonnie, once you're in a prison cell you really can be the smartest person in the room, always, just like you knew you were.
This has me wondering if Detective Chimp and Question have realized that Lonnie doesn't really have a plan and was just using him for their own plans.
 
This is the most quintessentially Anarchy thing I could ever imagine him saying and such a delight to read.

Lonnie's so arrogant that he thinks his own nonexistent solutions are better than anything anyone else could come up with, by dint of those other solutions not having been thought up by him. He rages that no one's asked him to check their homework questions even though he hasn't started on the work himself.

Congratulations Lonnie, once you're in a prison cell you really can be the smartest person in the room, always, just like you knew you were.
'You've got to do better. Senator, you've got to step up.'
 
He sits back. "I don't know. But whatever it was, I'd have stopped by now."
And right there his opinion becomes functionally worthless. If you have nothing better to say than "There must be a better way!" and "I would have done better." then you have no right to criticise.

"Good day, Master Machin. I doubt that we'll see each other for quite some time."
Probably not, but only because he will put more effort into avoiding being caught after he escapes. Same as Nylor Truggs.
 
Also he's underaged so should be in juvinial detention not prison.

There might not be a prison for teenage supervillains.

Yes, you beat him, and thats the one thing Orange Lantern can't stand.

He's been defeated before, and is relatively cordial with the ones who do that.

Unfortunately some of them are horrible people, so he has no reason to be cordial or kind to them.

He has no reason to be polite to a guy that's mind controlled people and is planning on unleashing uncontrolled chaos.

Either the League will free him because he's underaged, his associates will free him, or the Light will free him.

Why would any of these people do that?

The League may understand the danger he presents, so they'd be fine with him bring in prison as long as he isn't hurt.

His associates may not have the resources to do that.

The Light may not give a damn since they already have a bunch of geniuses working for them, and his anarchist tendencies would not go well with their autocratic tendencies.

This is the most quintessentially Anarchy thing I could ever imagine him saying and such a delight to read.

Lonnie's so arrogant that he thinks his own nonexistent solutions are better than anything anyone else could come up with, by dint of those other solutions not having been thought up by him. He rages that no one's asked him to check their homework questions even though he hasn't started on the work himself.

Congratulations Lonnie, once you're in a prison cell you really can be the smartest person in the room, always, just like you knew you were.

I'm honestly wondering if it's genetics.

We know that Joker is his dad, so maybe the trait runs in the family, but the Smilex made Jack take it up to a thousand.
 

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