Amelia, Worm AU [Complete]

Unlikely, since Eden's unexpected lithobrake maneuver did not significantly shift that Earth's orbit.

 

He means every iteration of their planet across all realities.

Which probably outmassed a single universe, if we're being pedantic about it.

1- We don't know that.

2- She collided with multiple iterations simultaneously.

 

We know that Cauldron's flesh garden is in an impact crater on one Earth, and that their one Earth is still co-located with Earth Bet enough that Scrub + Labyrinth holes hit the surface rather than deep space. We saw the latter at the end of the Echinda fight.

Meh, it's really not important.

 

OK. So. Is anyone going to talk about Morood Nag's shadow shit? Holy. Crap. Honestly. If she was that powerful how did she not just win everything by herself? She could have just gone to every warlord outpost and eaten everything there, until she was literally unstopable. There has to be some sort of upper limit. Right?

 

"Man, that would be so boring" seems like a great excuse until she need to go all out.

 

Africa lacks the population density in this story to pull off true exponential growth. Parahuman warlords make city growth a huge problem as cities are valuable -> parahumans fight over value -> fighting destroys city. It would impose a fairly harsh cap on density. Also, she LIKES her home country and doesn't want to depopulate it. While she can and does wander into the camps of her enemies and depopulate them, it doesn't have the scale of Paris.

 

I just think that it's a little teensy weensy bit overpowered. Conisdering that she has complte control over her shadow, and as we just saw had it running over literally everything, it doesnt make any sense to me. Just my opinion. I would (personal opion nothing against story) put some sort of upper limit on the shadow.

 

Lies! You intentionally take what I say and make it worse just to be contrary!

But holy crap, making Taylor have sensory input but no control over that mess....fuck, you're sick, twisted, and utterly depraved.

Have a gold star, you have out-done me.

 

How dare you not bring Moord Nag to a satisfying climax!

That's racist!

 

I'm reasonably certain that's not how Queen Administrator works. Either the organism has a simple enough nervous system to be controlled, or it doesn't. There's no gradient, it either works or it doesn't.

Unless the "bugs" have an organic nervous system that isn't actually connected to anything but senses, and the rest of the body "moves" through being manipulated by a telekinetic force like Shatterbird's power. Which seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to traumatize Kephri, honestly.

 

And that is the entire point, the Endbringer's are unable to cause lasting damage to any of Pantheon the regular way, now they are trying to tear apart their minds and their will to fight.

 

This likely happened exactly BECAUSE it wanted Taylor to suffer as much as possible. The bugs having a secondary insect brain based sensory system with no motor control is exactly the kind of thing that one could design in an artificial life-form to torture an insect controller.

 

Or both Taylor AND the Endbringer have control. But the Endbringer's control is stronger. Like arm wrestling Alexandria. Just because you lose doesn't mean your arm didn't work (although that may change in the process of losing). It just means it didn't work enough.

Remember- this info wasn't given to you from Taylor's PoV. You don't know what it looked (felt) like to her.

 

Correct. All possible iterations of their planet in all possible universes, which number more than the number of particles in any given universe(between 10^80 and 10^85), so probably enough to fill ONE universe if they so chose, which they didnt.

 

If those numbers are correct, surely they should fill multiple universes? Each entity is planet sized or larger according to SB, if there's enough entities to cover more planets than there are particles in the universe... entities are BIG.

Anyway, the upshot is that there are a LOT of them.

 

Well that's very interesting. My guess is Lisa has figured out that the Endmaker has some means of perceiving them, so the speech is to intimidate them or ruin their inspiration. Alternatively it's just a morale booster.

 

They werent planet size back then. They were smaller.

 

^What Zanfib said. They werent planet sized then. When ALL of them turned into TWO BIG ONES, then and only THEN did they become the size of Zion and Eden as they are before shedding shards

 

You do realize they don't turn the entire planet into mass for their bodies. Chances are, the vast majority of that material gets consumed/fissioned/antimattered/exotic bullshitted into pure energy to supply themselves and their life cycle. These bastards use a LOT of power.

 

Originally, they only blew up the planet in order to launch themselves into space. They didn't eat it.

Not sure if that changed over the various cycles, but IMHO the idea that they never changed their launch procedure has a sort of brutal elegance.

 

The thing that occurs is that they focus onto one world, pull as much/all of the energy of the world onto a single iteration then draw down the energy into themselves and their offspring.

The side effect of drawing untold amounts of energy onto only a single/few worlds generally results in melting/exploding of the planet.

 

Here's what they do:

1/ Blowing up the planet is not a side-effect, it's the whole point.

2/ They don't eat the energy.

3/ They destroy every iteration of the world (by accident or negligence).

 

Oh good, someone did find the actual quote.

I found it before, but was far too tired to slog through the story to do that again.

 

They destroy all the planets they exist on because they can't be fucked putting effort into shielding them during lift off.

They're not very creative things, magic space whales. Eventually they will figure out that they don't need to, I guess, but they probably don't really care either. They're done with the place so what's it matter?

 

It actually specifically states other "habitable" worlds which seems to imply deliberate maliciousness. Perhaps in an attempt to prevent the rise of advanced civilizations that might be threats/competitors for resources? Pure supposition.

 

Removing emotional responses from the equation, giving Eidolon the Coil treatment (aka radical but non-life-treatening personality chirurgery) is probably one way that would preserve his powers while stopping the Endbringer-itis.

And I see I am not the only one who considers it.

Now, for Endbringer criticism. No, this does not deserve the term "criticism", too shallow. But frankly, it's tedious. The latest Endbringer fight for all that it was, can be summed up in my eyes with a few sentences.

New Endbringer - minionmaker.
Lily figures out that the zinger is revenge for Leviathan and goes to EB shelter, but fails to protect the civilians.
Endbringer makes zombies who are prisoners in their own bodies and spread out the infection on contact.
Paris is dead and cordoned.
Crystal is forced to become a murderer in her own eyes when fighting against the zombies.

That's it.

The next chapter adds two things:
Coil and Moord Nag are called to contain the outbreak. Two paths are taken... neither is going all that well.

And now, the latest chapter.

Peanuckle has essentially voiced my opinion. Lisa was doing extreme trash talk at the Endmakers. No vision. No tricks for the last. No unexpected actions. No true power left. Annoyance, she calls them.

All this goes to one single thing - Lisa is baiting.

And going back to my boring Endbringer whining - Lisa has also said much of what I feel. Endbringers have stopped being perceived as unstoppable engines of destruction, and became an annoyance. For me who is sitting on Earth that never felt touch of Entities, the tragedies, deaths and destruction they wrought, amount to little. I am left with watching Pantheon teen drama.

As is, the only point I can find to all the Endbringers?

Can all of you people even imagine just how pressed will Scion be, once all the Endslayer combinations are tested against him? Training mode for Scion battle, that is all the Endbringers amount to, nowadays.

Frankly, with the current setup? I'd love to see someone cross Amelia with NGE - because all the Endbringers and the Angels walking around... One is very reminiscent of another.

 

My guess is "not very." Even in canon when Taylor was doing this with 5000+ parahumans, he wasn't giving a single fuck.

The key to Scion's strength is twofold: First, his real body is hidden in a shielded dimension. The Warrior and the Thinker separated the dimensions and walled them off before the cycle began in order to maximize results and ensure safety. Sting can breach this blockade, but anything else is useless.

Second, Scion is optimized towards fighting. All the best combat powers, nullifiers, precog, PtV (admittedly expensive, but not so much that he won't use it at all) and no limiters of any sort. Scion is capable of casually cracking landmasses and is exceptionally difficult to do any real harm to. On top of that, his powers are already plugged into each other the way that Pantheon is still learning how to perform.

There's two ways to beat Scion: Fight him hard enough to make him spam PtV and wear down his energy stores, which would probably result in most of the species being dead anyways; and get him to allow himself to be killed, which is what happened in canon, and required him to go on his rampage first, so that he'd be indulging his emotions and vulnerable to sudden swings.

No matter how advanced Pantheon gets, it doesn't change the fact that the Passengers themselves were hard-coded to be either harmless to the Entities or simple to defeat. I find it highly unlikely that any combination of powers could put Scion into a difficult position if he were to put any sort of effort into the fight. If everything else fails, he just triggers his unblocked PtV and wins.

 

The problem with that is that Endbringers don't even come near Scion's level. He has a significant amount of ridiculously strong powers (though he prefers his single, OP power) that are only tempered by his inability to find fucks to give, and in canon his interest in making people suffer rather than actually killing them.

It's sort of like comparing walking over hot coals to walking into a volcano, when it comes to Endbringers and Scion.

Sure Pantheon has quality when it comes to combat tactics, but Scion has quantity in the raw power sense.

 

What does that have to do with their size? I'm saying they're planet sized because that was the size generally agreed upon in the SB debate thread, not because they eat planets or anything like that.