With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Well, not New Genesis. But not a particular threat either, except in numbers.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Overconfident as ever, eh, Grayven? Don't be too sure.

You're assuming they won't shoot each other to get you anyway. Especially with Grayven-50 empowering and directing them.

Getting down and dirty, Astartes style. It helps that he's about the right size too.

Rip and tear time. This is where super-strength against mundane soldiers comes into its own.

Wait, Ringnestro took damage?

At least he's not offline permanently. I doubt the Renegade is as good at Orange light use as he is at Yellow.

Backup, always good to have. Especially ones willing to hit hard.

And lose all the progress you've made against Grayven-50. Because there's still a divine aspect to all this violence...

No-one's getting out of this without a few scars, it seems.

Ah, youthful enthusiasm. Also, should that be 'fightin'?

I doubt he'd come off nearly as well as you did... Also, a vambrace is armour for the arm, not the head. Did you mean 'visor'?

Heh, an appropriate verb for a giant sword.

Bit cheap there, but...

Ouch for Brute. And you did say you wanted to see how he looked...

And off Grayven-50 goes to a new life. Also, another vambrace error.

So, something akin to tenderised beef? That's been stabbed multiple times with a barbeque fork?

Not quite enough time for a properly Rasputinian death, but the symbolism is more important.

Sensible Mooks. Amazing sight.

Though not the best circumstances, that is kind of funny.

Ah, the post-battle phase. Too bad the mobs didn't drop any loot.

I'm hoping there's a very pleasant surprise waiting on Earth ahead...

And so passes Grayven-50. He will not be missed, and hopefully he won't show his ugly mulleted face again anytime soon. Now, to find out the fate of those aboard the Watchtower...

Godspeech:

 

Dunno if Grayven-50 is getting reincarnated. The God of Conquest was thoroughly conquered by another God of Conquest. Grayven-16 may have just Highlandered him.

Wonder if he'll be able to Omega-beam now?

 

Should be 'Lucky'.

 

The Sword of the Fallen automatically reincarnates anyone stabbed by it as a fully grown being.

Something Renegade seems to have forgotten.

 

Thank you, corrected.

The boom tubes.

Thank you, corrected.

The first one.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Well, they were killed using the Sword of the fallen so i don’t think they are going to come back that easily.

 

A powerless mortal being.

 

Only mystical powers, and that matters not because they can easily get those powers back using a Fatherbox.

Also Omega Effect > Sword of the Fallen.

 

If the Fatherbox don’t recognize them as being from Apokolips then they can’t use it (also how would they get one?)
Also since Grayven 50 ended up with the Omega Effect when Darkseid 50 died then for all we know Renegade Grayven could end up as the new bearer.

 

Because Vaermina said it, and thus it must be true, because Vaermina said it. Shaped like itself no?

As it stands, I'm actually surprised at how much of his ass Rene-Paul got kicked.

Mostly, it makes me wonder, who picked up the Sword of the Fallen in Hell after the Pigeon of War completely murderized OL's ass.

 

The Sword is supposed to reincarnate someone on their home planet as their original race, just without any mystical power.
So from anywhere on Apocolypse that has one.

Grayven ended up with it because he was Darkseid's actual biological son.

Renegade isn't.

Now, Zoat could fanon rewrite the Omega Effect to work differently, but it would be a rewrite.

 

The angels mentioned that they destroyed it.

 

Did they? I must have skimmed, or just forgot.

Does it come back?

Wouldn't that be something. Even the weapons refuse to stay dead in comic-land.

 

No, and it's not an ancient sentient weapon made by a master weaponsmith.

It's something smooshed together by a succubus from demon remains.

 

That was an someehat abruot end of Grayven50.

Which is of course rather realistic for a real battle, so all is fine.

 

It seemed to have been a deliberate move by Zoat to nerf the SI, so he cant just kill everything immediately.

So from a narrative point of view its less like a character fhat comes back, but more like a superhero getting a power up for a few months before eventually loosing the power because the writers struggle to write appropriate challenges for the MC.

It also makes sense from a story point of view since the Swords was made out of 2 powerful demons and the angels are inherently suited to destroy demonic magic.

 

Moral of this story, don't buff comic book weapons above what they are shown to do in the comics.

 

If the Omega Effect and being a New God of Conquest were linked, Gravy would already be throwing out omega beams, so I doubt it.

Darkseid gained the Omega Effect by being lucky when trying to eat an energy field bigger than his head. Other New Gods had tried it, Darkseid was just the first to succeed. DeSaad built him a suit of "Successfully eat an energy field bigger than your head."

At least in New Earth continuity, it's not like the cartoons ever delved into Darkseid's origins.

So Grayven inheriting it is another example of people inheriting acquired characteristics in comics, like Barry's kids inheriting his speed.

 

Actually, I'm thinking Granny-50 might be dead for good.

Sure, if she finished bleeding out from Rene-Grayven cutting her throat with the Sword then she would probably reincarnate, but I think she was still alive enough when Grayven-50 vaporized her that it short-circuited the 'killed by the Sword, must reincarnate' thing.

 

I have a really strong feeling that you're wrong. Angels that were killed by the Sword became human if I recall correctly, and Angels are most definitely not originally humans.

 

He's definitely wrong.

Since in this story Klarion is from Witch World, and he reincarnated on Earth.

And he was apparently not blue, so his race changed from Sheeda/human hybrid to human.

So the sword definitely doesn't reincarnate people as their original species on their original planet.

 

I thought you only needed to survive the fires of Apokolips to get the omega effect? like lex Luthor did that one time.

Although I suppose this means grayven 50 wasn't paul?

 

I think in this story they reincarnate on a specific Greek island?

I suppose the real question is . . . Does Grayven reincarnate on the island of this universe's Greece? Or Renepaul's Greece?

Also, the First of the Fallen canonically got all his powers back. He wasn't stuck as a human for very long. So even if Grayven pops up in Greece as a human, pretty sure he'd still have his god soul and be able to get back to where he was.

Then I guess he just finishes what he started while Renepaul is goofing off back in his own universe.

 

Superman became a god by bathing in the firepits of Apokalips, his kryptonian cells absorbing the divine energy until he reached apotheosis.

Lex became a god by the Omega Effect flying through space looking for a host after Darkseid died.

Not that Zoat is likely to use either, considering his antipathy for Post flashpoint comics.

And Grayven-50 was pretty much vastly unlikely to be an alt.Paul.

Gravy was mistaken for Grayven because the blockbuster formula turned his skin grey and stone like, like

This is what DCAU Blockbuster looks like , notice the lack of grey rock like skin.

 

Ah, thank you for that!

 

If Renegrayven's hand was cut off, how's he wielding the Daiklave (which gets broken), *and* grabbing Grayven50's shoulder *and* stabbing him with the Sword of the Fallen?

 

God-Magic, power rings, or possibly a plot-hole... or it got regrown and neither of us noticed.

 

Construct hand?

 

Mordru the lord of chaos spawned on Xeros because he was killed there, so Vaermina is wrong as per usual. The angel spawned as a human on earth because once again she was killed on earth, the first of the fallen spawned on earth because he was killed on earth, Klarion spawned on earth because he was killed on earth.

By simple logic Grayven-50 was killed on earths-50 orbit ergo he will spawn as a human being on earth... The "where" is a little trickier, the first spawned on Greece on a minor pagan temple that has connections to hell, the Angel Noriel spawned in the rural area of the US where a demon and a bunch of demon cultists had been carrying human sacrifices for a while (we don't know where klarion spawned). Thus there is a high chance Grayven is going to spawn on a location with at least a minor amount of demonic taint(fun if London).

Personally I want this episode to end with Renegade tracking down HumanGrayven to have a chat, and for humanGrayven to admid he fucked up just as Renegade said he would, then Renegade telling Grayven the "lie" of how he also lost his god powers and ended up as a human and how through perseverance and cunning he "came back".