With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Hey we saw Satanus get taken down and Paul got a way to find Amon, getting Mammon to tell him.

Also he ensured the Light lost another member and Hell can get better.

 

I disagree. The evidence clearly indicates that this is a test of what happens when you vie a ring to a large ham pretending to be a merchant.

 

That still doesn't justify his mass resurrection plan involving a method that he knew was flawed and made people insane.

Anyway, I hope we get a Grayven chapter soon.

 

He did use criminals for the ressurection experiments to see how it works before he tried it on the non criminals.

 

Which, given most criminals go to hell, was a flawed experiment from the get go.

 

"DO YOUR JOB, ASSHOLE" with a side-order of 'This is bad customer service'
Very nice.

Looks like it was a critical hit, too.
If only he was more competent.

 

i mean, for all his quirks and flaws, he's happy to delegate/very capable of delegation,seems to take keeping to a contract/providing good service seriously, and seems to have commissioned/surrounded himself with VERY capable subordinates...

 

And had he stopped when things started to go terribly wrong I would accept that.

Instead the guy decided to piss of both Hell and Heaven just because.

Enough about this.

Anyone wants to think what Paul would be in gender reversed DC? Would he explore being female or what?

 

IIRC there is a parallel Earth where all the superheroes were female so OL genderswapped him/herself.
I could also see our version trying out being female for a day just to see what it's like.

 

That doesn't exist unless you count those omakes I wrote ages ago.

Unless Paula was part of the recent crisis and I missed it?

 

Only one of those criminals he resurrected went to actual Hell, the others went to their religions version of a horrible afterlife, but not the Judeo Christian Hell.

Even if others went to Hell that is an issue he can deal with. He was taken by surprise when he went to Hell after he brought that guy back to life, but if it was just an ordinary demon and no Hell portal occurred then destroying said demon would be childs play.

If some of the other souls went to Hell then them getting brought back to life is good because it deprives Hell of potential demons if these souls are capable of turning into demons, it deprives them of materials that demons can forge from broken souls and it gives the mortal world knowledge on how Hell damages souls so they can figure out a way to heal said damage.

He did stop his experiments when that guy came back as a demon. The other time something went wrong was when that one guy dissolved and I don't think they brought his soul back, just regenerated his body.

Paul also has ways to deal with Hell and its demons and he wasn't exactly pissing of Heaven as the souls he was bringing back to life were either in Hell or in another pagan afterlife, not in Heaven.

He, and basically every superhero and decent person n the planet, are already pissing demons of with the whole trying to stop them from spreading evil in the world thing.

If you try to live a decent life and encourage other people to do so then you are pissing demons of.

Heaven also may be split on the decision on whether or not to be pissed seeing as they were running experiments in order to rehabilitate souls that don't involve torturing them, so seeing as they figured out their old fashioned approach of hellfire was not working they were trying a more reasonable way. Some of the Angels may approve of what he was doing, rehabilitating damned souls, and while there are those among them who would be pissed, that traitor angel king and Karrien, they are most likely pissed with the majority of humanity for not living up to their ludicrous standards of morality.

 

Well more to the point I think Karrien's butthurt that humans can have moralities beyond OBEY!, and still get a heavenly reward.

 

According to the table of contents, we're getting a chapter from an alternate Paul in a universe in which it's 2018. Not sure who that is. MCU Paul?

 

Would be the first time we see him, aside from that one snippet of him and Skye on SV.

Also the next episode is titled Plutonian.

The only comic character with that name was the one that went insane and killed millions of people because he couldn't fit in.

This could mean that the paragon will be facing some problems from his actions, or lack of them, from this episode.

If it's a renegade one then his alien nature may come up.

 

Awk-Ward....

 

Maybe it can be 'Just came' instead of 'just come'

'from which Earth' instead of just 'from Earth'

'Oceania' not 'Oceana'

 

I mean,do they not have any contact at all? How can Atlantis and Venturia have so little idea of what the other thinks?

 

Isolation and lack of interest in learning what the other thinks maybe.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I think it works as it is.

The SI hasn't reread it since getting perfect memory.

 

It just doesn't sound right when I read it.

'from Earth magic can be used' really doesn't sound like it makes sense without adding 'which' or something similar in it.

 

He's standing right behind me, isn't he?

 

Maybe.

It can also be 'from which/where the Earths magic can be used'

 

Ah, I see I was right yesterday, Mera's giving him her personal attention. Now, if he can avoid offending her too...

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She is the Queen of Atlantis, she's presumably in nominal charge when Orin is out of the city. I assume she would normally work with whatever council is set up as a cabinet.

Well, so far so good...

Well, you are effectively the field commander of an interstellar armed force. That's got to be equivalent to at least a Lordship, or at worst a Barony.

Not something OL is that good at, I note. Too much of that 'straight down to business' character type. Comes with being an Orange Lantern, I expect.

And straight to the overly prying questions. Though it would make some sense in medieval times, when you couldn't count on a young heir making it to adulthood, these days it's a little less essential to have the 'heir and a spare'...

That's an actual thing in Atlantean culture? I guess that's part of why Arthur was raised on the surface...

Oh, that's interesting. A detailed study of interactions with the Dreaming, wasn't it? Presumably with a minor eye on extending terrestrial magic to toher planetary bodies?

Well, you did help Eris dump him in a pigsty. Greek gods can hold grudges like you wouldn't believe...

Which is why he's gone to Venturia. Also less chance of damaging the other cities if something goes wrong.

I'm sure Sephtian is looking forwards to hearing about the results. Though I'd be wary of the research. Don't want to tick of Oneiros, aka Dream of the Endless...

Hmm, would Arthur be familiar with it? It doesn't seem like the kind of fiction he'd have been interested in as a child...

Because unoccupied scientists have a small tendency to become supervillians in this universe, given half a reason. Especially if they're multi-disciplinarian.

Again, that ever-minute chance of ludicrous success that ends up with someone calling themselves 'Quake-master' or 'Doctor Seismic'...

It's not impossible. Look at the sort of breakthrough that resulted in the spellforges Atlantis is using now. Even if that is something difficult to make without certain resources.

True. Cyprian would be sensible enough to see the threat inherent in such research. And he's canny enough not to let it get out of hand...

Which OL, and we, know won't work...

And back to the business at hand.

Besides a reasonably polite 'please keep your nose out of it'?

And you're misreading the situation, Mera...

Irritating, I suppose she never expected to end up as the queen, though. In another universe, she may well have gone through to become head of the university without ever touching politics...

In other words: tell us more. Because to some degree, OL is their best source on the current state of Venturia, outside of agents that don't officially exist, and given Orin's philosophy, likely don't exist at all, to his knowledge.

Well, that's that for this episode. I expect the plotline will continue in the background of later episodes though. One last chapter for a denouement, a quick alternate Paul and then 'Plutonian'. Which sets off alarm bells for me, having read some of Irredeemable. I seriously hope it's not something like Match turning bad or something... Guess we'll see by the weekend.

 

It could be about Paul or renegades troubles fitting in to society because of their alien natures.

The renegade is literary thought of as an alien, while paragon has an alien mindset.

Didn't the Plutonian go crazy because people still hated him despite the fact that he helped them, aside from the other reasons of course.

If that is the case then the episode could be about some kind of anti hero, anti alien group or something trying to stonewall the renegade or paragon or some such shit.

If the whole thing about the renegade being considered to be the ruler of Earth got out I can see some idiots trying to protest it and considering Paul's actions, or lack of actions, in this episode a lot of people may be pissed.

 

Or much more concerningly relevant: the Materioptikon.

 

Zoat in the first chapter of 'Earths Orangest Hero' you wrote 'he's be... Thin' it should be 'he'd be... Thin'

Also in the next chapter I think it could be 'starts walking down the stairs' instead of just 'starts down the stairs' when Anna Marie walks down.

When Lord Protector kissed Khoah after getting back from Krona and saw that she had faith in him was he just reading her expression like an ordinary person, or was he using his empathetic powers to see the love she has for him, because I thought you said he can't read other emotions aside from fear?

Did Lord Protector charge his ring from the Lantern of another Yellow version before going back to Thunderra?

 

Hmm...

Is this going to be a theme? It sounds somewhat like Flash's talk with OL. I think there might have been some more Justice League members who also had other ominous statements regarding their attention.

 

I mean, it ought to be? Anyone from a Western background who actually knows the history of the Atlantean city-states would be somewhat disturbed by Orin's rather tone-deaf rulership. Yeah, fine, you didn't ask to be king and don't particularly want to be, but being a hero means that you've already accepted that the world isn't supposed to revolve around your ego (unless you're Batman), so frankly it really is not excusable that you don't know the history of the nation whose federal government you are head of state for.

I don't think it's so much that Posidonis, in particular its diplomats, don't know the history of Venturia so much as their knowledge hasn't filtered its way past King Orin's decision to not care.

Yeah, there's a lot of blame to go around there. The Justice League are definitely a bunch of people who could stand to listen more, as opposed to issuing dictates from a position of ignorance, somewhat ironic considering that Batman is supposedly a good investigator, Flash is supposedly a criminalist, Wonder Woman is supposedly a diplomat and Superman is supposedly a reporter. On the other hand, for an empath Paul is remarkably bad at reading a room and displaying basic politeness and discretion, even when not doing so goes directly counter to his desires.

 

Paul is only kinda-sorta an empath. He can see desires pretty well, but he's come to avoid doing that without permission--which kind of defeats the point of having such an ability. But he can only see the "colored" parts of the emotional spectrum, and only when they're significant. Since that doesn't include things like "discomfort", "awkwardness", "stress", "happiness", and more, it does leave him rather blind to certain things.

Still, he definitely doesn't seem to be sensing as much from people as he did earlier in the story, which is annoying.