With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Well, I for one am happy to be manipulated by cuteness like this. It costs me nothing unlike the SI, so there’s no reason not to put Spider Daughter into the adorable category and think no more about it.

 

I mean... Does it even cost HIM anything? He was already planning to do the very thing that was the goal of the manipulation. It's just positive feedback is all.

 

Overlooking the obvious cuteness, the little Guilder could be first step for serious social change among Spider Guild in general along with improving their rep. It's a good move overall I feel.

 

?
He just has to say his oath in front of a portable Lantern, same as most ringbearers.

 

Lord Protector doesn't have a portable lantern, unfortunately. Now that he learned that making a lantern is possible, he plans to make one.

 

Likely because he hasn't worked out what ideal orange lanterns are yet.

 

The key insight here is that Vaermina takes it as axiomatic that everything the SI does is bad. However much OL makes of the ring's AI, it is the wrong amount precisely because it is the amount that the SI chose. If the SI had made different choices, the correct answer would shift accordingly.

 

Wasn't sure if at least some of this should be orange. Doesn't OL need to want to communicate with his ring AI?

---

I think we can call this episode a success...

I do wonder if this is a Princess Spider Guilder, in the same sense that the Queen is one who can make a new Nest... I don't recall if being a female Guilder means that automatically. If so, the Queen has really pulled out all the stops in grabbing OL by the philosophicals...

Other detail is, has the Queen programmed our Orange Light candidate, here, with fast maturation? If so, that can pose physical risks, and if OL does a full ring scan he may spot these. Which, could put him under even more pressure. It's all in the details...

Curious if you have a name, other than 'Kumo-chan', for this junior Guilder. 'Jorogumo' might not be bad, 'Joro' for short?

And...

The Spider Guild, as it traditionally works, is doomed. Just calling that, now...

 

Basically Vaermina has a mindset similar to Rider from Fate Cero.

Rider: This life can get pretty crazy. And you can't go through it getting along with everyone. So if you gotta hate somebody, hate Lancer. Right?

Just replace Lancer with Paul and I think you've got Vaerminas personality down.

 

Wouldn't Arachneros, with some poetic allowances, mean something like "Spidery"?
At least I think that Zoat was going for something like "Xenios" and other such ancient nicknames that means as much as "X is what this guy is about". Maybe Αράχνειος (arachnios) would be a fair fit.

Edit: Actually, given that Themysciran is closer to ancient Greek and that the somethingphile term started as a clear euphemism (philos meaning friend) Arachnophilos might actually not be that on the nose for an Amazon. Or maybe, a bit more politely, Philarachnos.

 

These days? Three or four hours of constant effort.

 

...fuckin wat.

"Isn't actually a very good Lantern"? The guy is basically life partners with Ophidian. He literally wrote the book on how to be an effective Orange Lantern without losing your sanity. He achieved avarice enlightenment in a matter of a few minutes, whilst under enormous pressure. He also wrote the book on how sane Orange Lanterns can be effective in combat, even against highly capable/powerful opponents, and has shared some invaluable inspiration with the GLC that is slowly making its way through their training doctrine. He's also such a good Lantern that he's noted from the very beginning how important it was to augment your ring-based capabilities with technological, magical, and resource-based capabilities as well, so that you get hard-countered by as few things and situations as possible.

Plus, I mean...he literally taught the Embodiment of Avarice how to avarice better.

If you want an Orange Lantern that is just really good at making really strong, simple constructs that does not rely at all on ring AI, then get Larfleeze. And as we see in canon/this story, Larfleeze is exactly why being "a very good lantern that doesn't rely on ring AI" is a terrible thing for an Orange Lantern. It means that you're pretty insane, unable to prioritize or maintain perspective, unable to have any kind of long-term goals or self-control, unable to adapt or solve any problem that doesn't involve lots of indiscriminate brute force and assimilation.

Not to mention the fact that Paul has repeatedly shown that he actually does have some significant capability even without his ring. Like when he forcibly called his ring back off of Truggs, taking Truggs' finger with him. Or when he called Ragnar's ring off of his finger in the middle of a close-range duel, whilst unarmed. Or the fact that his soul is basically baby-Ophidian, complete with the ability to Brand people?

 

Paul's basically the Captain America version of a ring wielder.

 

Does anyone know/remember what is actually in Paul's book about sane orange lanterning?

 

'The SI doesn't know.'

 

There was apparently something that could cause a schism in the Crown Imperium centuries down the line.

 

<suspects; clicks 'Show Ignored Posts'>

Ah, I was right: it's Vaermina.

The best way to deal with the alternate universe fic Vaermina is reading is to treat it like Lu Bu, and, accordingly, to not pursue.

 

Super adorable! Let me be manipulated haha

 

I understood that reference.

https://kumodesu.fandom.com/wiki/Manga


It even has the right color.

 

He keeps forgetting that he's kinda a god.

 

Spiritually he isn't human, but biologically he still is.

 

And zeus was physically various humans and animals when he fathered lots of his children, I am pretty sure it's the spiritual part that matters.

 

Grayven explained this a while ago, human with strong souls or gods can get pregnant a wide array of living creatures if they want to... Probably a few non living creatures too... So I fully expect Euante to have a baby driad growing inside her considering the subtext of how many encounters she has had with Paul and how she kinda wants his meat too.

Grayven has a gaggle of children and he is a better person as a result, so maybe Paul needs a few of those too.

 

Zeus is an Old God and purely magical, while Paul is more akin to a New God.

Zoat once said that Helios would struggle empowering tamaraneans like with what he did to Kon so I doubt raw power can overpower all barriers, including genetic ones.

Paul may be able to impregnate other sapient species, but only with ring assistance if they lack all that much compatibility.

Even if his soul allows him to impregnate women from other species I doubt he could impregnate a giant alien spider.

He also said that it will most likely be difficult for him to impregnate Maxima without assistance.

A fertility god could do it, but he's not a fertility god. The paragon is also not a fertility god.

 

General heading of a good idea badly implemented.

Although, just because he is aware of the attempted manipulation doesn’t necessarily mean he is immune to it.

I have to wonder how… clarified their respective authority is in such matters. Dox is theoretically a higher authority. But Paul is demonstrably the expert on the orange light.

 

Dox can overrule Paul, but is probably fairly unlikely to do that in matters where Paul is an expert. Otherwise, I remember something about there being some kind of steering committee, wherein Dox has two votes, Paul has one vote, Hinon has one vote, and some random 2nd Maltusian has one vote?

Is it Jevek?

Is it Kalmin?

 

There was?

NEMO has a council of seven. Three Maltusians (Hinon Jevek, NPC), the head of the Darkstars, the head of LEGION, the head of the Orange Lantern Corps and the 2nd in command of the Orange Lantern Corps.

 

I don't think it was the crown imperium specifically, the SI just mentioned that something he was writing while waiting around could be divisive but he'd be around to correct any misinterpretations.

 

Yeah.

 

That would be when some of the men of the JSA were on the island getting amazon combat training.
they had to wear traditional amazon warrior garb.

well that or the time Eris managed to get Zeus plastered and got him to hook up with an equally drunk loki.

lets just say the resulting child needed lots of therapy.