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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

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    Batman may not want to risk stealing his ring in a battle as that would be very dangerous.

    He also may not know how to convincingly make a fake ring that can emit the emotion it represents.

    He may not even know about the Emotional Spectrum because Stewart could be his only source on the rings and he also may not know much about them.

    The League had a UN charter in YJ, but I think they just used their popularity to get by in the JLU cartoon instead of some contract.

    Superman worked for the governments for just that one time if I remember.

    He's not exactly a regular employee.

    The League has done a lot of stupid and short sighted things in canon, like installing a WMD in the Watchtower and not informing the government about it until they first used it, so we know they're capable of doing some stupid things.

    If you mean how he portrayed the YJ League then I have to disappoint you, because the writers of that show made the League act like idiots in the first place.

    Zoat stayed true to canon.

    All he did was just point out that they were idiots.
     
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  2. Darko

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    Even if they aren't I'm sure other groups consider the GLC criminals.

    Zoat did Duela and Talon go to Earth 12 like Paul suggested?
     
  3. Doccer

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    Hey @Me Zoat
    How will Peter's villian personnel react to this? An out group just violated their in group so I imagine some of the less reformed members or the ones Peter has a more personal attachment with might be thinking of putting on the only duds?
    Will Peter need to point out that by taking legal action and sueing the Justice League in their civilian identities he can hit like Al Capone?
     
  4. Darko

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    They may be reformed enough that they don't jump right away to full on supervillain revenge mode.

    He may also not inform them of this to prevent them from doing it.
     
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    Batman's fake was probably visually convincing, probably even felt, sounded, smelled, and even tasted like the real thing. But the ring's charge was only mostly dead, not completely dead, and there's no faking that.
     
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    actually. in the jla and jlu they really are that dumb.

    im guessing it would be full of "bobblehead maleware"
     
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    I don't think the Justice Lords were that big a deal in-universe. The League showed up to a fight wearing a different uniform, then... There was a fight between two versions of the League that one side won. A fight that wasn't televised and took place somewhere where there weren't many witnesses. If Peter was in the UK at the time... Or most places in the US, then he might not even know that it happened.
    I'm sorry, I don't understand how this relates to what I wrote. Who isn't entitled to social power? What do you mean by social power?
    A decade or more of dealing with extremely dangerous people with super powers, and seeing the results of their work first-hand.

    Vigilantes by definition don't follow the law. Batman never has, Superman... Doesn't really. They all prefer their judgement to that of the judicial system. That's why Superman let Volcana go. That's why Batman was investigating NASA and found the Imperium's shapeshifters.

    Batman wanted to work with Peter Wynne so that he could better understand the main SI and the Blue Lantern version for next time they have to fight them, and next time they have to fight someone as capable.
    Why would the Guardians give him anything? They were given a suspicious object by their local agent and asked to examine it. They'll only have done something wrong if they fail to return it, assuming that it's in one piece.
     
  8. Mr Zoat

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    I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FROM NU52 HERE, DO YOU?
    Justice League 12 doesn't have a UN Charter. That's Justice League 16.
    He's going to avoid telling them if at all possible. The pats on the back would be too embarrassing, to say nothing of the added risk of recidivism.

    Peter really doesn't want to sue the League. It's the nuclear option, but it's got to be on the table.
     
  9. Darko

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    Now that I think about it, this may be the first time the Guardians 12 have even encountered an orange ring, assuming Larfleeze doesn't exist.

    Well the last thing you added from the n52 was that psychic Lantern that liked to experiment on sapients in the A Week In The Life episode.

    Still while I enjoyed the n52 that thing with Bat's stealing the ring was kinda dumb.

    Oh and Angel Paul is in the universe where Batman did steal the ring right under Hal's nose, along with a lot of other elements from the n52, like Cyborg being part Father Box, Diana wearing silver, Supes not wearing underwear on the outside etc.

    Did Talon and Duela go to Earth 12 like Paul suggested?

    If not what happened to them?
     
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  10. Enochi

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    Why not you pick and choose from every continuity anyway. Using whatever you feel like and ignoring what would be damaging to yourself.


    You are incorrect. Both do.
     
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  11. Ardy

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    Jesus, I think Vaermina found their soul mate
     
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    That's what you're going with?

    That the superheroes would be spooked by the League stealing an alien superweapon from an alien (invader?) from an unknown universe who routinely hires supervillains?

    Yeah, I'm sure he seems like such a sympathetic victim to absolutely no one, they'd be a bit busy waiting for the inevitable mad laughter and plans for world conquest.

    And the government doesn't want a superhero team in this universe, they want slaves. Hence the Ultimen, hence the Suicide Squad and their explosive leashes, and the Zeta project.
     
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    Excellent point on the first part.
    (he already kinda does this, but not that much, and likes bitching about the n52)

    Source for the second one please. I'm having trouble finding anything that says the League in Earth 12 has a UN charter.
     
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    Isn't peter on good terms with many people in government?
     
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    Captain Marvel considered Luthor sympathetic, and he's a lunatic.

    Peter has helped reform many, many criminals, reducing crime, and has had them use their talents for the benefit of society, pollution due to coal and oil has probably gone down because of him, those enhanced animals may have fed thousands of people who couldn't get food etc.

    Peter has a lot of things that make him much more sympathetic compared to Luthor, and I'll remind you that people seemingly forgave Luthor left and right and even considered making him president.

    Cadmus wants slaves, the other governments may want their own meta team that they can control, but they probably wouldn't go full on slavery.

    It makes sense for a group like Cadmus to exist and prepare in case the good guys go bad, but the things they did in canon were basically encouragements for the good guys to go rogue.

    Oh and Peter probably also hires superheroes, like when he hired Roy to help him free Clayface, but there are far more villains than heroes in the world.

    Would the League be able to prove that Peter is an alien invader?
     
  16. Pinklestia

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    That would be the most logical action but fear is not logical.

    Hilariously they basically almost acted like Cadmus.
     
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  17. Darko

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    He did tell them that he worked for his League, but they either didn't believe him, or thought he also came from a universe where their alternates are evil.
     
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    "…mortal remains of our brothers and sisters in Christ to the earth."

    I was somewhat relieved to learn that the inhabitants of this town don’t routinely strip their dead for parts.

    "That they may in the fullness of time rise once more to aid their living kin."

    Not because what they do is less ghoulish, but more because it's less Sheeda-like. 'First' funerals aren't that big a deal in Columbian society, and it looks like that's a tradition the warlock-breed have maintained. It's not until a person's final death that you can fully commemorate their lives. They don't bother trying to convince themselves that the grundyman they've raised is just a mindless and soulless zombie; their theology makes specific reference to the fact that they're not.

    "I shall now read from the Gospel of John, chapter eleven."

    Abednego looks around the crowd of mourners, who I suspect are gathered here more because it's a social event than because they're particularly interested in what this outsider has to say. They started depositing the bodies as soon as the holes were dug, and I started doing that as soon as they were all identified. The holes were something else that's different from Christian burial as it's practised on Earth; they're only two feet deep to make pulling the grundyman out easier, and the corpse gets rope wrapped around the torso for much the same reason. And they're buried face down so that they can't climb out on their own.

    "'Now a certain man was ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village…'"

    They're actually paying more attention to the ropes than to the bodies, something... I suppose that I should withhold judgement until I observe a second funeral, but I already know that Lord Hades wouldn't like this. I shake my head and turn away as Abednego continues his reading. I offered my aid in making repairs, but unlike Mistress Butler's village the people here have enough of a resource surplus that they can afford to do things in the manner of their choosing. They don't want help from me, and they don't want me to disrupt the magic they use.

    "…join us here."

    Mistress Butler is talking to one of the village's two surviving 'shapers'. Magic users who specialise in biology, though they'd be totally out of their depth talking to a true biomancer. Everything they do relies on the Sheeda traits that they and the Sheeda creatures possess.

    "That is a generous offer, Mistress Ginter, though you will have to forgive me if I am somewhat surprised by it."

    "We have empty homes and work enough. Our need is greater than our reluctance to involve those who do not think of our condition as we do. We are not unaware that the Unenlightened threaten you and those other settlements close to their lands."

    "Will you also make such an invitation to the other villages?"

    "If we can safely make contact with them." She turns to face me. "Is that a thing that you may accomplish?"

    "I keep getting told 'no', due to the danger that the spells pose. I doubt that I could do it without the Columbians detecting it."

    "Do they not know that you are here?"

    "They know that my colleagues and I are heading this way. They don't know exactly where we are or who we're talking to. As I see it, any risk incurred would be yours, so if you want me to make the attempt I'll put the idea to Accomplished Perfect Physician."

    "And in return, you would ask us to show you Melmoth's Tomb."

    "We're rather hoping this motivates you to do that anyway. But… No. I am willing to do that anyway. Though I suggest that you give more thought to the offer I made to relocate you."

    "I accept that you made the offer in the spirit of kindness, but we will not be moved to suit those people."

    "I didn't make the offer to please them, I made the offer to preserve your lives. And theirs. To my mind, if two peoples have such irreconcilable differences, moving them to separate locations is a perfectly sensible thing to do."

    "No."

    "Mistress Ginter-."

    "We will not do it. Not while they still take the pledge. Not while their timidity still gives rise to warlocks. We will not abandon the few free-thinkers who can escape from their iron-bounded civilisation."

    I bow my head slightly.

    "I'm.. saddened to hear it, but very well. If we're fortunate, it will be unnecessary. Regarding the Tomb-?"

    "Your Sheeda prisoner can show you its treasures better than any of us. Unless you want a tour of the place."

    "I would, actually, though I suppose that it's not a priority." I hesitate. "How are.. your people feeling about this?"

    "We will mourn our losses. And our weakness. But more than anything… There is almost a relief to it."

    Mistress Butler nods. "That we are not so similar to Melmoth that his kin would see us as their kin; that the accusations of the Columbians are fear-filled lies."

    "I… Suppose. I referred more to the truth of our history. That the self-serving version told by the Unenlightened is not pure invention. That Melmoth's kin are as self-serving and cruel as their tale makes them out to be."

    "I don't remember hearing them say that about other Sheeda, only about Melmoth himself."

    "And how long were you amongst them?"

    "No, I'm not suggesting that you're wrong; I'm asking for clarification. What do they say about other Sheeda? I'm working off the stories of a mad scientist who didn't actually see that much and the history of the handful of people who survived the last Harrowing."

    Mistress Ginter blinks at me with both sets of eyelids.

    "What be a 'harrowing'?"

    "You don't know anything about where the Sheeda come from?"

    She shakes her head.

    "Okay, well, I suppose it can't hurt to give you a summary. The Sheeda are the-." They left in the sixteenth century. They're very unlikely to have a concept of natural selection or evolution. "-Are altered humans from a very long way in the future. They live on Earth, but so much has happened between then and now that it seems like a completely different place. Every so often they travel backwards in time and destroy civilisation. They loot everything they can load into their harvest ships and then return to their own era, but not before burning everything that's left. We don't know exactly how many times they've done it before; they're pretty thorough about destroying all traces. Melmoth was their king, but lost a power struggle with their current queen and had to flee. Exactly why he did any of-" I look around. "-this is a mystery to me, and from the sound of it the Sheeda here didn't know either."

    "By whom were they altered?"

    Hm. Worth asking, I suppose. Their whole identity is built around their difference, after all.

    "I don't know. It could be that they changed over time, or that they changed themselves. I rather get the impression that you've been altering yourselves."

    Mistress Ginter nods. "Based upon them. We have not created anything new, not to our knowledge."

    "But you know how it might be done?"

    "Yes…" She frowns thoughtfully. "Pray excuse me, Orange Lantern. I must.. speak with my people. We will arrange for a guide for you on the morrow."
     
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    That Luthor was being sympathetic and the whole thing was part of a very cunning plan to tarnish Superman's image/reputation which Supes utterly fell for, proving that while his Anti-Luthor paranoia is 99.9% justified it's still paranoia. Also he and Lex tend to make point of making their relationship be something of a pissing contest.
     
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  20. Darko

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    ' town' not 'down'

    Have Talon and Duela been taken to Earth 12 by the Justice League like paragon suggested?

    If not, what happened to them?
     
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    How does puritan theology deal with timetravel? Evolution will be bad enough, but imagine someone asking to travel back in time to meet Jesus or Mohammed.

    Imagine them finding no one.
     
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    Thank you, corrected.
    My provisional answer is that they both returned to their home parallel.
     
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    They may not have a concept of time travel.

    They probably have no idea who Mohammed even is.

    Jesus actually existed in Earth 16, but they may be shocked that he's more the grandson of God, with Gabriel being the actual father.

    Sorry, but does this mean that the League eventually let them go back to Earth -14, which is their home universe, or that they went with the League and are still there in Earth 12?
     
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    aw dammit i wanted to find out what happened with the lawsuit
     
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    To be honest, that would be pretty damn gruesome. And I doubt they tolerate the movie-style Frankenstein kind of experimentation...

    How pragmatic of their faith. Adopting a fact of the local environment as an article of post-mortem disposition.

    Which would make it rather awkward if, say, a murder victim returns as a Grundyman, and is assigned to his murderer's family... I doubt they'd do that sort of thing... Though some might find it reassuring that they'll be able to continue aiding their family after they've passed.

    All measures to ensure the inevitable Grundymen don't go wandering off devil knows where... Very sensible.

    And you're probably a reminder of the fact they needed help to throw out the invaders. I can see that sticking in their craw...

    Like specialised mechanics trained to work on one kind of machinery, and only one. Machinery that's quite adaptable, but requires methods very different to most.

    'Unenlightened' presumably being the devout Columbians. Goes a long way to highlight their outlook.

    Depends. Do you want giant orange flares pointing out each village's location to your nominal foes?

    Oh, they know, but they're looking the other way out of politeness. But the second they get an idea of where oath-breakers are, well...

    You make it sound like you're being asked to show off an embarrassing, out-of-the-way tourist trap...

    Why not to spite them? They'll know that people so offensive to their beliefs that they're hunted down are out there, somewhere, beyond their ability to pursue... That'll give them such an itch... :cool:

    How stubborn. But I suppose anyone tough enough to forge their own village out in these wilds, in the face of persecution, would be damn hard.

    Ah... Now that's more understandable. It's still a big risk, but better than leaving them to get hunted down when they cannot find allies outside Columbia.

    Can't really take the risk that the Sheeda won't know how to activate some countermeasure and turn it on the heroes.

    Heh, that's would be a load off their minds. Knowing that they're not corrupted in the way they feared they were. That compared to the Sheeda, they're merely mundane.

    If he'd been amongst them, they'd have felt it when he started killing them.

    ...Well. I suppose they're too low priority for the Sheeda to concern themselves with. Too small a population, too little resources to be worth stealing... And four eyelids? Hmm. Four eyes, or a secondary reptilian set? love that ambiguity.

    Something lost in the flight from Melmoth's lands, then...

    But they do seem very curious. It's probably a good thing if they returned empty-handed. While I doubt Columbia would be worth Harrowing, they may find the concepts and mutations amongst the people to be worth.. studying. And we've seen how they study things.

    :eek: ...Oh gods, what if the Sheeda are far distant descendants of the Columbians, and this is a metastable time loop...

    I can see OL just twitching at the 'unwarranted' delays. Unfortunately, he'll have to wait.

    An interesting look at funeral practices in a culture where the dead don't stay dead. And a number of worrying questions raised about the interactions between Sheeda and Witchworlders... But the delay in setting out makes for a good chance to look in on Renegade's timeline...
     
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    It technically is that.

    They may not want to abandon their homes, even if they et some kind of victory over the others.

    Or they could just come back to get more torture victims.

    An interesting and frankly quite plausible theory.

    Chicken and egg scenario, which came first.
     
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    I'm a little disappointed that Zoat didn't include an obscure power of Grundy's- Energy Absorption.

    Grundy absorbed Dr Fate's magic and the energy out of Alan's ring, it made him strong enough to bitch slap Superman and take on entire teams on his own.

    So imagine how much fun coming here when any of the Grundymen could nom on Paul's energy to become even more superhumanly strong and durable....
     
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    He may add that in the following chapters.
     
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    If I'd had to guess? Cost and safety and probably some legal issues about incorporating flying cars into the infrastructure and legal system.

    Just because the League(that's bankrolled by Bruce and presumably other billionaire heroes) can afford to make and use artificial gravity tech doesn't mean the "average joe" can. Odds are the manufacturing technology is currently too complicated(boosting cost), and the technology not robust enough(meaning it needs a trained, specialist technician and engineer to keep it in working order, of which there would not be many because its a very new technology) to sell commercially(much less widely). There's also legal issues like how do you incorporate flying cars into both the infrastructure and "rules of the road".

    All these things take time to fix, not that much time all things considered, just 10 to 20 years to work things out(which is what happens in the DCAU timeline) but they are still issues that need to be taken into account. In the DCAU timeline, Bruce(in his mid-50s) retires in 2019(around ten years after the events of JL and JLU). By this point he already had the "Beyond" Bat-suit and presumably also the "Beyond" batmobile, so while it wasn't shown, I wouldn't be surprised if governments, airline companies and those who can afford their own aircraft were starting to field anti-gravity hovercraft by then, with the next 20 years(Batman Beyond takes place in 2039) seeing the technology be refined, the costs going down, the maintenance issue simplified to the point you don't need a degree just to do basic maintenance, and everything else needed so that a flying car becomes not just affordable but practical for a "normal person" to own and operate.
     
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    Sort of like how we mostly have the tech for Self driving car now, but it'll take years before it'll be practical to mass produce them or how Cell phones used to expensive and rare.
    But that doesn't mean Batman or other League members have shared any of their advanced tech with anyone yet. Simply that Batman and others probably will share some of it eventually.
     
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