With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

This should probably either be 'of a mad scientist' or 'of mad scientists'.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

That's certainly one of many million dollar questions in concerns to Zoat's writing.

 

Sorry, but does this mean that they eventually went back to - 14, which is their home universe, or that they're still on Eart 12, which is the home of the League?

 

Zoat has already picked some elements from the n52 that he liked or thought would be good for his story.

Some of the characters in this fic first showed up in the n52, like some of the Lanterns he recruited, as well as one New God and one recipient of that scientist scholarship in the renegade side.

That thing with Red Lanterns being thrown in blood to master their rage was also something that showed up in the n52 if I remember correctly.

Zoat just prefers to use elements from pre n52 because he likes them more.

It's really not that difficult to grasp, but I guess you'd have some difficulties actually trying to think.

 

Yes, they went back.

Technically true, but the Lantern books essentially ignored the fact that Nu52 was happening for quite a while. The Red Lantern books could have been pre-Nu52 until Kara turned up and people didn't know who she was.

 

Did they go back to Earth - 14 to continue fighting the Syndicate, and because they found it difficult to fit into Earth 12, seeing as they were pretty much former criminals with some serious mental, emotional and physical scars that couldn't fit in on Earth 12?

While the Lantern things may be weird in the n52, you did stall addd the occasional element from the n52 here and there.

 

Probably nothing.

Because contrary to what Peter thinks, he doesn't actually have the ability to sue over Batman taking the ring. That sort of thing requires a specific level of ownership proof that would be impossible for him to have gotten due to the alien nature of the ring.

 

Seeing as Cadmus is most likely a thing Peter may actually have some help in getting the League to back down, because Cadmus wants to curtail the power the League has, and them no longer being able to do whatever they like because they stole something from a guy that hasn't done anything wrong is a good way for them to do it.

Peter also doesn't want to sue, according to Zoat, but just wanted to use that as the nuclear option in case the League decides to not give it back, or tries something similar in the future.

Peter may not be able to prove the ring is legally his, but if the League actually does something similar to some other guy then they may actually have proof and be able to successfully sue the League.

First lesson for the League:

Don't go stealing other people's property without a damn good reason.

Oh and he can sue them for breaking into his home without a warrant or provable cause.

 

yeah but thats not the issue. either the jlu giveback what they stole from him or batman's identity gets exposed. and as he said in the dark knight rises, the mask protects more people than just bruce wayne.

 

It may be provable. The ring isn't an inanimate object. In a court sense it may be possible to treat the ring itself as a witness, so to speak.

Of course, this runs into the issue that Wynne's ring considers its' true owner to be its' creator.

 

They went back because it's their home.

He can prove that he's had it since he completed his citizenship application in Britain 12, because he included it in the paperwork.

 

And a place with a lot of bad memories for at least one of them.

Though I'm guessing that Talon wants another shot at wiping out the Syndicate.

 

I would be deeply unsurprised to learn there are entire civilizations farther out, both from the initial diaspora and from those spreading out to explore and claim new land. Particularly since losing an expedition member doesn't mean losing their carrying capacity

 

Huh. I learned something interesting today. The whole 'merchant of death is dead' story about Alfred Nobel was made up by a biographer and never actually happened.

 

good. now to somehow integrate that into the fic....

 

Peter could try, but he would get laughed out of everything since that old rumor has already been disproved by Batman and Bruce Wayne being seen in the same place at the same time.

Which is completely meaningless unless he can prove the ring came into his position legally.

And he can't.

 

And if Cadmus exists and is willing to help him then he can prove that Bruce and Batman are the same guy.

He also has access to advanced tech and brilliant minds that can help him prove it.

He can also cast doubt and say that the previous times they saw them in the same room it was really Manhunter in his form, or some lookalike, or a robot.

The courts are probably going to take the word of the guy that provides their country with electricity a lot more seriously than they do a lot of other people that come in claiming Bruce and Batman are the same guy.

Why are you criticising what Zoat is stating when he can't read what you say due to blocking you when you said he was wrong about what happened in his story, even though he wrote the thing and you refused to stop your insinuations even when he provided you with proof that you were wrong?

It seems like you're trying to make yourself seem smart by lecturing a deaf guy who can't hear that what you're saying is utter shit.

It's just pathetic at this point.

Zoat can just make it so that the laws in Britain on Earth 12 allow him to own the ring if the previous owner does not come in to challenge that claim.

Hinon of Earth 12 may be in a coma, or she may not exist and Peter got his ring from another version of a DC universe, so her trying to challenge him on who owns it may be somewhat difficult.

Peter could also have a recording in which the ring states it chose him as its wielder, so that would most likely settle whether or not he got it legally.

 

Cadmus was already destroyed, check the timeline.

He could certainly try, but without access to his ring he has no way to beat the leagues security.

Only the local equivalent to the national enquirer would pick that up.

Not really, he would need really hard proof before the courts wouldn't just toss the claim out.

 

Cadmus still exists at this point, and there are references to Waller building the suicide squad.

Amanda Waller is still a respected member of the government, and Peter could call her to testify about Bruce's identity if nothing else there...

And I half expect him to have this conversation on tape...

On top of that, there is proof that batman broke into Peter's home, meaning that, if nothing else, that's another crime. They admitted they at they took the ring, that's another felony because it's alien tech and worth quite a bit there. The rest of the league handled it and passed it on to the Guardians, that's handling stolen property. From the conversation, the league does not dispute those, which means that they cannot argue against those as facts.

And having alien technology is not a crime, and they made zero accusations about him having illegally acquired the ring...they would also need to prove that the Guardians were the ones to make the ring in the first place to make the claim of returning it to the owner. And they could, probably force Wonder Woman's involvement with the lasso. To prove the facts of the case...

 

Even if Cadmus was destroyed, governments would still be wary of the League, but now they would hesitate before sending an army of metahumans to attack them, but taking legal action against them may be something they are wiling to do.

He may not have his ring, but in case you've forgotten, which I'm sure you have, he has at least dozens of scientifically gifted people working for him, who may be able to beat League security.

The Leagues security has been beaten before, and it didn't require a power ring.

Other newspapers could decide to pick it up, due to the fact that it is an interesting story with great ramifications.

And Peter could also just buy newspaper companies, respectable ones, and have them publish it.

Peter could easily be recording his meeting with the League, where they admitted they stole his ring and gave it to someone else, using some of his advanced tech, that the League can't detect due to its nature.

The courts would also be hesitant to just toss away the case of the guy that's supplying multiple countries with electricity, and who has a small army of supervillains working for him.

They may be okay with the League punching ordinary crooks in the face and arresting them, but they may draw the line at the League breaking into the homes of productive, and wealthy, members of society and stealing their property without good cause.

The League in Earth 12 has no charter with the UN that allows then to do this, or any charter really.

If you say that they do have a charter then leave actual evidence like a link to it, because your word is shit.

Peter and the courts could also ask that Wonder Woman uses her Lasso on both Peter and Batman to see if the ring was really stolen, and if both she and Bats refuse that, well, then people will become suspicious of them.

 

maybe add 'to desertified'

maybe add 'first of our'

The last part feels weird.

Maybe switch risk and reward, because they didn't do more to the place.

 

us -> us through (or maybe 'to'?) Ninja'd

there -> they

 

Thank you, corrected.

Eighty years ago, so it would have been their grandparents.

Thank you, corrected.

 

I am starting to have trouble keeping track of the factions in play here

 

Abednago is from the Columbians.

Anarawd is either a Sheeda or one of their warlock agents.

Peter may be from one of the warlock places that exist.

 

MWMD. Magical Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Delightful.

Now I like these puritans even less.

 

Ok but Columbians vs warlocks vs was there a third type? Some are more sheeda than others?

 

You might as well hate people in the modern world, seeing as we have a shit ton of WMD.

Also I think that the Sheeda, or just Melmoth, were the ones to introduce them to the weapons, and not the Columbians who made them.

So by that logic the Columbians may have less fault for possessing WMD than we do.

I think that's about right.

The third side is most likely actual Sheeda.