With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Zoat confirmed that this is Tangseids origin story.

And Abin Sur is still alive here.

 

Tang is an orange flavored powder that you mix with water. Was a NASA space drink, all the rage back when America was really gung ho on space exploration for a bit.

 

Sally's asshole boyfriend called it Dr Hyde's Evil Serum.

He had taken it become the "superhero" Vitaman during WW2, claiming his powers came from "Vitamin X." So basically he pretended to be the British version of Captain America.

So I suppose "Dr Hyde" might not be the Hyde, but a supervillain named after the story. <shrugs>

 

In a risk to restarting the conversation again... Tangseid kills the previous personalities and installs a new one loyal to him, so its more murder than rape because the new personalities do consent (it would be statutory rape because the new personalities may be nominal adults, but in actuality are just newly formed personalities thus taking advantage of them is not much different from taking advantage of children).

In short, cool history, but still rape, just a different kind of rape... Also murder too.

 

If a person's down to semantics to explain how something is or isn't 'rape' or 'murder' then there's no point in having a discussion with them. I guess this is the point in favour of judges having the power of Rule 0.

 

Just getting ahead of the "not rape crowd" by stating the facts... Because by all standards is statutory rape and first or second degree murder at minimum for each and every person Tangseid overwrote... There are some victims he just had to tweak their desires to get what he wanted and those can be argued about, but the ones he overwrote are clearly murder and statutory rape at minimum.

 

Ah. I didn’t know that this was in fact Tangseid. I thought he was on a different DC Earth.

Then yeah, he’s pretty fucking evil and deserves to have his shit pushed in.

That being said, this is QQ, and I‘d be kind of interested in seeing mind control lewds in the Praise of Eros thread.

 

I think I know what this is. It's the serum that was given to Sally Sonic in the comics. And I found it. It was Dr. Hyde's Evil Serum: https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Doctor_Hyde's_Evil_Serum

So, no wonder Paul turned into "Tangseid" if he took something with that name.

 

When Paragon OL checked Sally soul he commented she had no connection to Empathy/Compassion, Hope nor Love, so that would explain how Tangseid turned evil and why he was an above average orange lantern (power wise) during the cross over episode.

 

It also makes you wonder how come he didn't check how other users of the serum fared before trying it on himself. Did the serum just pop into existence ex nihilo? Either has saw the side effects it had on people and ignored it (which is weird - even if he thought the sample size is too small that just means he needs to try it on a number of volunteers before making the final verdict) or he just used a random serum with no known effects on any people without any people testing (which is just as weird). For fucks sake Luthor did better on safety testing than Paul here. Luthor.

 

If anything could reverse Orange Hyde brainwashing it would be the Lasso of Truth i. Since is a divine artifact connected to the concept f Truth itself.

Granted writers have gone back and forth about the lasso being the one with Truth powers or the thing just using WW truth powers... but at the very least the new personality of Wonder Woman should be unable to use the lasso.

Worst case for Orange Hyde, even trying to use it would reveal the truth to the new personality and will cause the old one to come back.

 

I don't think we were ever given a good estimate of how powerful he is in the department of ring use.

He's good with brainwashing people, but he also apparently uses another object meant for brainwashing, but as for other things, we haven't really got a complete clue.

Any other users of this serum may be dead or he just can't find them.

He also apparently just tested it on animals before using it on himself.

Hell for all the crap we give renegade he at least had an example of what the super serum he took does to people.

Sadly that may not be the case.

Our evil little bastard here apparently used it when he brainwashed Diana, so it could have either been destroyed or corrupted.

 

The lasso can be used to tie up WW because the supposed creator was heavy into bondage.

But when WW is under mind control or lying or herself, or has fake memories, it always helps her to see the truth.

I said supposedly because nowadays is suspected two women WW creator was involved with are the ones that really made the character?.However that has never been confirmed.

 

He only made a note of being careful around both enlightened Lanterns IE Paul and Yaul and he wasn't feeling woefully inadequate like common sense Paul was, so its safe to assume he was around the top power wise, but weak enough that both Paul and Yaul worried him a great deal.

 

If only he had a piece of clarketech that can scan an entire sector worth of space for specific chemical configurations... Oh wait, I forgot, any user of the serum would conveniently be under scry wards/in some other sector at the moment he was scanning for it! /s It's completely in character for Paul to use a serum he never heard off and of which no documentation exists anywhere.

 

Not all Paul's started out the same way personality wise, like paragon and renegade being different, so it's possible that this version is less cautios in some manners.

 

For a second I thought this was Paragon Paul going downhill, then I looked at the date and realized “alternate timeline.”

 

The title of this latest chapter run in line with Sybarite, but there's no meniton of demon-eating, and none of his chapters have years with the date. This does seem like a Paul that was him enough to still be him, but liberated enough to remove some of the hesitancy that Paul has with things like this (this is per the Sybarite/Paul conversation during the Infinite Pauls arc).

Though.. a Sybarite-Artemis pairing is something I approve of, but Zoat just likes to tease me with giving her a good pairing, so I don't expect to see them doing any naked wrestling outside of my head.

Also, I'm sure having Alan accuse him of turning into a rapist isn't what made Sybarite be Sybarite. He clearly doesn't have a personal lantern, and this Earth still has Abin Sur as their GL. Eating that Incubus first probably is what turned him into Super Lewd.

 

This isn't Sybarite.

This is Tangseid.

They are two different people.

Sybarite is the one that eats demons.

He also never even met Alan, or joined the League or Team equivalent, but just did his own thing.

He's also not a rapist, he's just very perverted, but otherwise doesn't force people to have sex with him.

Tangseid apparently joined a Team equivalent, so he most likely has a Lantern, plus he also apparently got his hands on the CPB.

He apparently started his road to evil by injecting himself with some kind of serum that increased his negative personality traits, not by eating demons.

 

At first I thought we had a more proactive Paul here that was uplifting himself while being less reckless than Renegade. Then I saw the orange text and knew this was Tangside. That sudden rise in desire felt very similar to how he perceived his... toys.

Just to be clear, he noticed a change in behavior, but chalked it up to just being more dominant because of strength. That is so f*ing stupid. That change in behavior right there is a big red flag, and should have been studied much more thoroughly. Not to mention tested on actual humans like others have mentioned.

That downside is something that could not be readily predicted. Paragon consulted experts and looked at previous examples and kept careful watch. He did the best to his knowledge especially since the downside is no soul.

What baby Tangside did here is stupid in foresight. He completely ignored dozens of safety precautions about testing from both a scientific and practical standpoint. You never test an experimental serum on yourself first, and animals are not sufficient testing. Especially when there are behavioral changes.


Remind me again why Paul couldn't use the Garrick formula? Was it because of Ophidian or his runes? Cause given that KF exists, it clearly exists in Tangseid's world and could be easily replicated with less downsides than this.

Tangseid definitely murders personalities. Does it count as statuary rape? Isn't the point of that more because of developing brain patterns and hormonal imbalance? A fully constructed intelligence wouldn't be developed. I wouldn't say the crime would be what comes after, but the act of the creation itself. Is it wrong to create a being that is devoted to you and wants to have sex? I don't actually think that is the issue. The clear issue is the fact that he is murdering and altering the will of people non-consensually. Even what he did to Ollie was a massive violation of consent that I would argue is far worse than rape, statuary or otherwise.

 

Just watched this and am wondering if the SI is Jade's Manic Pixie Dream Boy.

 

i miss Teekl

 

would definitely like more sybarite chapters. also zoat how come you dont have a patreon.

 

There are only so many things I can write about someone like that, and I... Don't have any ideas at the moment.

Because that creates a sense of obligation.

 

i would like to see about more ways in which he makes the world a better place. or even updates where we find out examples of how his company is changing people's lives....

 

Where does that name come from.
Also, I think this is the same stuff that girl took who became some kind of superpowered gore pornstar.
Mr Zoat where did this Paul find the stuff and why did he take it without controlling for supernatural/soul effects? Also, which DC-verse does he inhabit?

 

It was said earlier that Tang is an orange flavoured drink and that the seid came from darkseid.

so Tangseid

 

The big question about Tangsied is why hasn't he been stomped yet?

Everything he's been doing should have drawn the attention of forces much much higher up the totem pole then anything he could possibly handle.

 

He's taken care of anyone who can try on Earth, and he isn't big enough to draw attention from any higher powers in the universe. Also, the gods of Earth may not care, as he probably ensured that what he does benefits them in some way.

 

Have the readers ever been told what Jade saw in Paul? Or is it up for the readers to determine starting from their first meeting during the Roquette mission and his first trip to see her in prison and their slow courtship that mostly happened off screen?

Maybe it's telling that in the show, Artemis is my favorite character, followed by Jade. It's a shame that canon Jade was barely a better person than her father.