With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Send it to Batman.

He won't use it, almost guaranteed, but the seeker program would absolutely hound the shit out of him and it'd be hilarious.

 

I think it's more in the same manner/tone as "Abandon ship!" though I could be wrong.

And with that aside... I think that it's going to be a bit of an informal/unintentional race between Xor and Onik as to which of them manages to reach Enlightenment first, even if it doesn't happen this arc. Both are making good progress from what I can tell.

 

I thought that limb eating part of the update was a bit weird but that's mostly because OL repeating "Eat it" over and over just seemed odd.

OL mutilating himself dose make sense. After all a few updates ago he explained how little bodily mutilation means to him anymore when he has his ring. It also seriously fucks with the power dynamic between the three of them. One of the worst things Onik could imagine the Yellow Lantern doing to him is something his boss would do to himself, just to make a point.

 

That's not their homeworld.

Thank you, corrected.

No, it's like abandoning ship. 'He abandons ship'.

 

Reminder for people:
Mr. Truggs (at least I think it was Mr. Truggs, could have confused him with the other time-traveler, sorry it has been a while)
(edit: I did confuse who it was! Thank you for the correction Ngamer11)
Abra Kadabra who had come back in time mentioned the "Orangest Night" happened in the place of "Blackest Night".
In order for such an event to have a chance of happening, at the very least the top ranks of the OLC need to not be ... hmm, lets go with neurotypical.

 

Actually, Nylor Truggs came back to make sure Earth isn't conquered by the Reach. The only one who ever mentioned the Orange Apocalypse, or whatever they ended up calling it, was Abra Kadabra.

 

So I did confuse who it was!
Thank you for the correction. Will edit shortly.

 

I don't think the thread ever stopped calling it Orangest Night, and I know for a fact I'm not going to.

This does seem rather like it could be an early precursor to that, doesn't it?

 

These have been some really good segments but I can't deny that I'm a bit disappointed with Sinestro not showing up. There's still a chance that he may, but after that part with the Abbot that sparked my suspicions I remembered WandaVision and decided to manage my expectations.

In other news, I'm also disappointed that the Yellow Lantern appeared after only one Spider Guild world got burned. I though it would take a couple at least. And this neophyte looks totally like a test or bait, something designed to provoke the Illustres to see how he would react or what he would bring to bear to rescue his Corpsman. I hope whoever is watching enjoyed the show at least.

From what I recall, each Spider Guild Chapter is supposedly virtually autonomous. They don't have a centralized empire or some such, they don't precisely cooperate, I don't think. So this planet could be important or the main planet of a certain chapter, but is not like its destruction does a grave damage to the totality of the Spider Guild. What these guys do is try to avenge losses to discourage further war against them or their absolute genocide, I think.
So, if you fight against a chapter or nest, like the one in Vega that is pretty heretical, you may lose or win; but if you win and exterminate them, then you may be in danger of that bit of news going out to the parent Guild Chapter to that nest and get some Spider Guild fleet coming for revenge.

At least that's what I remember from how the Spider Guild was described in this story, correct me if I'm wrong guys.

 

So, I keep getting hung up on burning this world.

Like, yes, I can see the argument that the spider guilders are uniformly awful and evil, but... something about this whole thing is just...

Look, the Citadel and the Psions, those were deliberate decisions, but this? It's... It's a temper tantrum that's completely depopulated a world. It doesn't matter who it is, I don't like it, because there's no control here. I can't join the rest of the thread in cheering because the spiders are on fire because it's a terrible thing that was done without thought. And yes, even if they are evil, this is still terrible; it is an action which causes terror.

This is not a good thing that Agent Orange is doing here, because unlike the Citadel and Psions, it's not a decision, it's a reaction, and more important, it's not the best way to get what he wants. Alan would have never done this. Not under any circumstances. He'd be disappointed, and I really, really hope this comes back on AO later, because I'm not sure he even remembers the Team, or the League, and I thought that that year of interaction would have more of an impact on how he comports himself.

It's not even that I think the writing is bad, it's good writing, but it's not the kind of good writing that has me cheering, it's the kind that has me worried about things like the fact that one version of our hero already went off the deep end for a bit and got Anti-lifed after a bad breakup with Jade, and I'm not sure what her opinions are on the depopulation of civilized worlds, and we have Orangest Night to worry about still because I'm pretty sure that's coming back in future.

 

What is "neurotypical" for one species may be abnormal for another. Alien psychology and morals are alien, after all, and humans are not the majority of the Orange Lantern Corps.

 

I ofcourse meant neurotypical for their species.
Edit: And given that the ilustres of the corps is started as human...
Edit2: Also there has to be some level of common ground at the very least on a sociological level for something like this to function that long.

 

It was using glow tech, yes. However the reason it didn't effect Paul that much was that he'd been dealing with the Terror Thing a few days prior, not his orange-ness. That certainly helped but it was mostly having taken a trot through Siskin's psyche that allowed Paul to handle that so well.

 

Does Paul not feel pain anymore or does he just rise above?

 

He can use his ring to block pain signals. Without the ring he can disregard pain fairly well, though nothing like as well as he can with a ring.

 

I forgot about the Terror Thing experience, fair point. His narration doesn't seem to especially credit the Terror Thing over the enlightenment as the primary reason for his resistance, though, so I don't know if I can agree with "mostly". Paragon apparently wasn't affected at all by the Medusa Mask's attack of Love when Krieger used it on him, and he hadn't done anything especially love-related beforehand.

 

While he's not as close to Artemis as Renegade is, he still cares enough about her not to use that as his name.

 

He has used it on occasion.

For example I think when Guy was reading some of his titles the Agent Orange one was among the ones mentioned.

 

I'm using it because that's what he's acting like; crazy, possessive, with extreme overreactions to events happening around him.

 

Yea... The thing is... Paul's dead... He died in the Qwa matter explosion...

What we're reading about now is just a Frankenstein Monster with Paul's face and small parts of his soul stitched together along side various alien desires.

 

That is, I think, as it should be. You SHOULD be worried. This isn't your typical superhero story. You shouldn't count on everything automatically turning out right.

 

Ehh, I would argue that being very driven to rescue one of your recruits from a Yellow Lantern who happens to be their worst fear isn’t possessive so much as the right and smart thing to do

And whether or not killing a planet full of universally despised monsters that invade worlds and eat the inhabitants, assuming that he did kill all of them, is an extreme overreaction is debatable at best

 

Utilitarianism, Paul reaction to this kidnapping would set the tone for the expectations in regards to future attacks...

Aliens are used to killing Green Lanterns without much a reaction from the green lantern corps, Paul is setting the tone that those that attack Orange lanterns without reason better expect to get overwhelming retaliation.

 

Will Paul add this encounter with the yellow lantern in his game it could be another interesting moral debate knowing the option of killing an entire species of cannibals who are actively targeting you is something that you could do.

 

Trying to scare them, or are you scared.

'minutes'

Fuck you, that's how.

Onik's oath.

You kinda need a prisoner to extract information.

If you're going to say alive, I don't think they care.

Hope you're going to track it.

'So, is'

The abbot is most likely Sinestro.

 

Paragon is actively crippling your ability to fight with his constructs so it's nowhere near a fair fight?

 

Interesting that the Guilder-Lantern calls Onik an apostate; I assume it's because she knows that's something he fears being rather than her being any kind of Lanternist.

I guess it's appropriate that Lantern Onik was the one who answered my 'prayer' for a giant snake/Ophidian construct. I wonder if fervent worship oriented specifically on her gets more of her attention than usual, or it 'just' psychologically boosts the Lantern who does it.

Everyone's suspicions about the abbot look like they're about to be resolved one way or the other soon. Paragon could also assimilate/convert the ring and still access its data files like with Stewart's ring, I believe.

I kind of want to see a Guilder Orange Lantern now, either from the Vega Spider Queen's nest (I don't especially care if it's Paragon's 'daughter' though) or somewhere else who, for altruistic or pragmatic reasons or both, really wants systemic change for the Guild in terms of not eating people when they now have the technology not to require it. Seems like a long-term campaign kind of thing but still worthwhile. A Guilder would have more investment in the continuation of their species in some form or another compared to Paragon. Destroying evil alien polities is all well and good, but positively reforming and rehabilitating them in a macrocosmic version of Paragon's rehabilitation of villains? Now that would be interesting.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Yeah, half the yellow ring's power is instilling fear in others so if you lose your ability to do that you are only at working at 50% at best.