With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

It's possible that while Controllers can do magic they may still not know enough to get pass some restrictions.

Also seeing as magic is pretty rare in this story they may not have placed it as a priority.

No, I don't think so.

 

We know they haven't placed magic in general as a priority but any planet with an even minorly active arcane field becomes a massive security threat because they can hide things from Lanterns by scribbling shapes on a sticky note.

 

You are working off of a flawed premise here.

The Kryptonian empire was not spread by their solar powers but their technology.

The sunstone warships are planet killers that can shoot missiles made out of sunstone that will consume your spaceship or planet while turning the mass into killer robots to go Skynet on you.

Warships that work under a red sun, green sun, any sun, no sun.

The counter to Kryptonians is having better technology, and species that can brag about that are rare.

 

Ring scans, if done by a skilled user, can get past wards. They just destroy the ward in the process. And when the ward is watermarked into every important document, you're gonna have a lot of trouble from being forceful. I'm also sure that there are some other, higher tier wards that require more finesse or power to get by. Then there is the quintessential waveform scan that only energy based life forms, like the Ophidian, Paragon, and elementals, can do. That seems to be a slow, near guaranteed success. Looking forward to more of that in the future. The OL core should hire on some information greedy elementals to do wave form scans for them.

 

I know it flawed but its not completely flawed because when OL went to daxim he encountered them useing sunstone armor that gave them the powers of a yellow sun and karsta has mentioned the same thing so that means their ground troops would most likely be yellow sun empowerment in armor because i would find it really ridiculous if the military caste would not take advantage that their species has under a yellow sun.

I also agree with you that their technology was near the top in DC as well so that help but i think you might agree with me that the military and science not taking advantage of yellow sun empowerment on their soldiers really would stretch belief.

While i dont know much about those in charge of the military caste the ones that we have seen Zod, Astra care about their soldiers and people and i can't see any competition general not taking every advantage they can get their hands on including making themselves and troops as close to physical gods as you can get without being one.

 

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And you missed the point.

Sunstone armor is self-replicating shapeshifting material.

Kryptonian soldiers in Sunstone armor would have all the options a Reach Scarab Warrior would have- able to create any weapon, any defense system, any sensor system, and medical systems.

To be able to kill a Kryptonian soldier the aliens would need to jump the hurdle of having superior technology first.

The first design hurdle a weaponmaker would need to jump to kill a Kryptonian soldier is not their solar powers but their armor.

What good do you think it would do for aliens to make weapons attacks that would bounce of ablative sunstone armor, be deflected by personal forcefield generators, or won't even reach the kryptonian thanks to missile defense systems?

 

Wow i did not know that their armor was so much bullshit.
But most of that tech superman doesn't have and i don't think karsta has had the time to make it so they are Relying on the empowerment by yellow sunlight most likely and i might be remembering it wrong but it was show in the chaper that OL does an evaluation of the Justice League most civilizations military spaceships have weapons that are of sufficient power to kill them in a few shots.

Question then if they are this bullshit how come they haven't taken over most of their galaxy before because we know that they have gone thru multiple periods of military expansion before they became isolationists and i cant imagine that they're would have many civilizations that could slow them down. We know that the guardians dont really stop that type of thing so they most likely wouldn't be to much of a problem as long as they broke no rules from the book of Oa
I can see the Reach being able to put up a fight and maybe the Dominator if they arent taken seriously. Apocalypse definitely vega if they are given time to prepare. Thanagor definitely with nth metal the armor wouldn't matter their but not many other that i can think of but I will admit that I'm not a ridiculous lorebuff on DC in space

 

The Godspeech conversation between the lines:

Spoiler: Be Revealed!

 

'through'

Hello Eric Cartman.

Don't forget the ugly hair.

Were getting a bro down!

'flow'

Yeah, when they showed up in the Paragon chapter they were really into fighting.

And I doubt she cares.

Ugh, big mistake there Big G.

Well Scott is a good guy, Kalibak only showed up once and Orion may not know about her.

Getting some Code Geass vibes here.

So she still has her fighting spirit.

Remove 'with'

Technically you knew before that.

And you're right.

'expecting'

Ahh, so Zoat didn't change Grayven's origin here.

Yes, this is what you get.

Hopefully you'll lear...oh who am I kidding, you never learn.

Also she may not remember it happening to her.

It's understandable why she wouldn't want to.

'wanting'

You are a dick.

 

'woman'

 

While this would be an extremely terrible idea... Is it possible that Lynne incorporates the Omega Effect, rather than die from getting hit?

 

I'm not sure this will happen.

The only time I remember it happening in the comics was in the Justice League Odyssey comic where Jessica Cruz managed to gain control of a bit of it after Darkseid hit her with it.

 

Wonder why the beams are purple now, when Grayven's POV chapter image link showed orange. Variable effects depending on color?

 

That, or they reflect his emotional state somehow and they're different now since this is more personal.

Or it could be both a variable effect depending on his emotional state.

 

Good, remembering to take care of your subordinates. That's one thing Grayven-16 has shown a disdain for, beyond ensuring their usefulness remains apparent. That's going to give you an edge here...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

EDIT: Whoops, had the 'who's controlling who' angle turned around... Still leaving the original comments in, though...

Even better. At least they aren't immune to telepathic control. Though I'm surprised she hasn't taken the gordanians over too. Is the two femazons her limit, or are they just that difficult to hold on to, that she requires her full focus on them? Edit: Okay, really grabbed the wrong end of the stick there. Easy mistake to make... On the other hand, it shows just how good she is to control, what, dozens of gordanians at once, then?

Or maybe she's just being cautious. No point pushing herself to dominate the gordanians if Grayven-16 is bolstering them, and it brings her Godhead into conflict with his... To be fair, the controlled gordanians can't really use anything larger for fear of injuring Lynne... After all, powerful as she is, she's still a tween girl and thus very squishy..

I don't think they're going to believe you're their boss, Renegade. For one thing, you have much better fashion sense.

Ah, when Diplomacy fails, Intimidation comes into play...

Well, at least they're powerful dumb muscle...

Ah, here... We... Go! Grab your snacks and settle in for the snark-off!

Amusing. They're so confused, they don't know who to shoot, so they're just shooting everyone. Foolish. And good lord, that is terribly early-2000's design (Or maybe late-90's...) Trying to be iconic, but so over-designed... Okay, their shooting him is clearly at Lynne's direction, then. Still an amusing image. Him just standing there as their fire plinks off him...

Ah, Grayven-16... Trying to be lordly and regal, but he just comes across as pompous and insecure.

And there's confirmation of their origins, in this story at least. And I was right, they're just dumb muscle. Still a better presumed fate than the Paragon timeline (believed lost in the burning of Wombworld.)

Which means you have the disadvantage in the battle of Godly Narrative. Unless you can somehow subvert his control of the ship from under him, he has the home-ground bonus.

Try it and you'll unleash the full force of the Renegade's Papa Bear mode..

To be fair, she hasn't actually met any of them. Scot is Highfather's son, after all.

Ah, so she could have done that at any time, or was the middle of a firefight just a bit too distracting? Again, my mistake on assuming who was being controlled, huh? Guess tall, golden and angry is a little annoyed she doesn't get to squish more lizards, though...

The difference between Grayven's 'Conquest by Force' and the Renegade's 'Conquest by Acquisition' in a single sentence.

Even know, the Renegade's trying to recruit him? Alas, this situation is beyond all diplomacy. This will come down to Righteous Face-punching.

Especially given that Darkseid has endorsed the Renegade, whereas Grayven-16 isn't even acknowledged as existing by Him.

Ah, Lynne's control weakening in the face of their Master? She'd better be careful, no telling what he may command. Knowing she's not in control of them makes this a lot scarier, honestly. Remember: squishy girl in the hands of a murderous, super-strong grunt...

Heh. Probably the best approach to take to put him off-balance. He wants to be taken seriously? Show the little edgelord how silly he is...

...Huh, My choice of colour for his invisitext becomes eerily prescient. It's certainly in theme with his usual later colouring.

...He's really trying to claim 'they aren't my real parents'? Talk about a drama queen.

...And then the face-punching begins. Really, why are you still trying this? He's clearly not going to join forces with you...

And there's the difference between them. The Renegade is a man, trying to make the world better. Grayven-16 is a child, screaming to the universe that he's big, tough and doesn't need any friends.

Well, that's up for debate. No, the proper response should have been "I make this look good."

Oh, hell, no! Lynne's not going out like that... I foresee her making the femazon take the hit for her... Or not...

Oh, that's an evil cliffhanger, Mr Zoat. Now we have to wait to see how Lynne gets out of this. At least you're doing a good job of making us really hate Grayven. I'm so looking forwards to him realising how badly he's lost as the Renegade finishes him off... But hopefully not before he pays a toll in pain for all the trouble he's caused the galaxy...

 

This makes it twice now that a Grayven had struck at Renegade's family and friends. Hopefully he'll react better than that time when he thought Sunset and Rex were dead.

That said, I'll be quite disappointed if Renegade doesn't at least retaliate with a faceful of radion blasts courtesy of invisible drones toting radion cannons.

 

Though his Earth 50 self may have been different in that regard, at least nudging by him taking Sinthia with him when she was hit with the Anti-Life.

In the previous chapter she said she was having difficulty with them so she may not be able to do more.

I think it was a 90's design.

Because he is pompous and insecure.

Deep down he's still a Paul, so trying to recruit people, even when they're evil and too dangerous, especially when they're evil and too dangerous, is gonna be a thing.

Just like his comic book self.

Well to be fair, Mortalla isn't his mother and Darkseid was more of a gene donor.

Again, he's a Paul.

Expect this.

All so that daddy notices him.

 

I'm surprised you used that version of Grayven. There is a canonical Young Justice Grayven who in my opinion looks better.
https://youngjustice.fandom.com/wiki/Grayven

 

That was like a few centuries ago. He probably tries on new looks from time to time.

 

Yeah that makes sense if you're immortal you will have a phase or twenty where everything you wore during it made you look like an over-designed asshole.

 

I think it's called "lying".

If he was very precise, perhaps he didn't know until after he started writing, in which case the SI wouldn't know.
Or he goofed and checked later, but it works out to have the same end result.

 

Thank you, corrected.

No, that's correct.

Thank you, corrected.

Ah, no. She's controlling the gordanians. As previously established the Zamarons are immune.

I try and be careful with this sort of question these days. Mortalla did not give birth to him.

 

I stand corrected, then. And made some edits to my previous commentary to reflect that. Though knowing that honestly makes the cliffhanger even more tense...

 

So does every Grayven but Paul!Grayven sport a mullet?

 

This will be fun.

Who was his mother?

 

I think not.

Once he mocked Actually Grayven for having one, though he mentioned his hair was getting longer.

I don't think it was ever mentioned in the comics.

 

I suppose I never registered it as an issue till now, but Lynne sharing Renegade's soul never seemed to impact her behavior or abilities as far as I can see, in that she should also kind of be a New God of Conquest, right? I mean, telepathic domination can probably fall under Conquest, but she doesn't noticeably act like Renegade does, at least not in her recent appearances.

 

You know what they say. Assumptions make an ass out of me and U.

 

I think it's a relation thing she doesn't act like Grayven but she feels like him because she is related to him on a spiritual level.