With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Thank you, corrected.

But while the 'when a man and a woman' thing was mansplaining as a joke, him saying 'Onimar Synn' wasn't.

I don't remember. It was a very long time ago.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I looked on her fandom page. It says her alignment is bad.
Was she canonically a good ruler or evil one? Like, did she deserve to be back stabbed?

 

In the comics, she was a warmonger out to conquer more territory, including attacking Rann.

I suspect the comics didn't go into much detail on how prosperous her subjects were, those not put into the meat grinder so she could expand her dominion anyway.

 

Just something that recently came up.

Remember back when OL and his Gun Range Pal got talking about their new civilian coil gun?

Spoiler: Not Quite There Yet, But Getting Closer!

Notibly you don't see any significant recoil because the muzzle energy is about on par with a .22, and the gun itself weighs about 20 pounds.

 

Yup.

What you need is a Hypervelocity Scry Wardeded Nth metal bullet, would pop his head like an over ripe melon.

 

Thanagar as the next big antagonist? Sounds fun.

 

Those devious hawks

 

I hope that Paul puts the fear of god in Thanagar when they finally make their move on Earth. Hopefully Hawkman and Hawkwoman won't completely hate Paul if he goes for the genocide option.

 

Earth is the madhouse of the universe

those hawk people ain't gonna have any fun time once they get there

 

Possibly not Thanagar in general, since he's already done that (Stars, Crossed), but apparently a conspiracy within (at the top of?) the Thanagarian government.

 

Yeah, past a certain point all you need is for your brain to be working.

Thinking positive thoughts there, Vat.

'glanced'

'disabled'

'highly probable'

'regards'

But Vulcan seems to know.

So Hell has a connection to the rest of the universe?

I remember Paul mentioning that some ways that magic could be used to travel to other wirkds would be through either the Dreaming or Hell.

Do aliens that die on worlds where Hell has a connection, but there's no gods from the Dreaming, automatically go to Hell?

Another person named Artemis.

One reason for that could be that they don't have a lot of the stuff in the first place, so they prefer to focus on things that can potentially be mass-produced.

 

I don't think Paul would go that far, mostly because the Thanagarians aren't genetically evil like the Citadelians and Psions, so they can actually learn to be better.

Paul would probably damage their military to the point where they can't expand anymore, and dismantle their highest government levels, but not kill every single Thanagarian.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I'm probably going to have the Seven Devils be more like C'tan than actual demons.

 

I just assumed that they were gods that came from the Dreaming and the "Devils" in their name was either an insult given to them by their enemies or something they used to show their nature as evil beings.

Though they do have great similarities with the C'tan.

Evil gods, gave their worshippers magical metal that defines their society etc.

 

Looks like they haven't heard of the story of Icarus in all their reports on Hellenic deities. Or they dismissed it as humans naturally being doomed to fail in flight unlike Thanagarians, I guess.

Speaking of the lack of human initiative in using extra ore-dinary resources properly, did anyone in Thanagarian Intelligence or the Hawks think to look for other forge gods from other cultures? It may be unfeasible compared to approaching known and reachable figures like Heph and Vulcan have become during the arcane industrialization, but seems like something to consider.

I'm not fully sure if there's more going on than the Empire just trying to find a way to make their unobtainium Nth Metal to avoid scarcity and continue expansion, though that's reason enough for their actions.

Do they not know about Paragon coming back from the dead multiple times? Or are their anti-Lantern techniques they're testing on him just meant to apply to general anti-Lantern combat and not him specifically? They should at least know he's bonded to a cosmically powerful entity from their intelligence resources (I forget if Paragon did anything super-Ophidiany in his first visit to Thanagar).

I believe the Psions aren't shown to be genetically evil either, right? They're just a lot more effective with their cultural indoctrination methods. I don't know how Renegade and the Controller's rehabilitation and reeducation efforts are going.

 

Also, I wonder if they realize that using that technique against him means that he, and possibly other Orange Lanterns (and maybe the Greens if anyone relays a report to the Guardians), are reasonably likely to be prepared for it if its used again.

 

Just tell it to Hinon and she'll get it fixed.

 

I believe Satanus and Ritchie Simpson were talking about the arcane arks to travel to other planets through their hells, yes, and Zoat brought up Kryptonian Hell and demons a long time ago with links to screenshots- there's of course the recent example of Earth-666 universe with the Kryptonian Demon, though that backstory and its interactions with that Earth's Hell hasn't really been followed up on.

I'd imagine if there were worlds with a connection to a Hell, they'd be thaumically active in some capacity and so likely produce alternate metaphysical afterlives too.

Is Horus totally unrelated to anything with the Thanagarians? I don't think he was brought up in relation to Khufu either. If they were ever shopping around for a friendlier hawk/avian-based deity (and one with ties to war and rulership, at that), he'd be a good pick (and might be more comfortable with having material avatars due to the pharoahs often being divine manifestations/representatives themselves, if that's true in this setting). Though the High Mor's anti-alien beliefs seem genuine enough to dismiss strategies like that.

 

The Hawks may not have any idea of how to get in touch with any other forge gods.

No he didn't, but they may have gotten the footage of him during his Ophidian merger on Earth.

True, but just because a group can overcome the methods you are using to beat that group, that doesn’t mean you shouldn't use them while you can.

 

Is the second 'ed' a typo or an amusing way to say it's warded and warded again?

 

Damn that 200 year schedule of Thanagar's invasion getting pushed forward a bit huh?

 

This is very interesting since effectively it's all Paragon's fault. Because he's blocked the Reach from the region of Space where Earth is, made Nth Metal and Blocked Synn from weakening Thanagar so now we get thanagar agression towards Earth.

 

I'm just throwing that possibility out there. Even if he doesn't go down the genocide route, Paul should do something to try and make sure they don't do something like that. Maybe somehow render the Nth metal in the primary offenders inert to demonstrate that he can and show that he can take away that which the thanagarian species thinks most important to their identity. Think of it, still having their wings, but forever bound to the ground, unable to fly ever again. That would be a great punishment for the people thinking themselves superior simply because they can fly.

 

Ooh, a little side-trip into the depths of the Thanagarian Intelligence Service, eh? More evidence that the cultist's little show was more than it seemed, no doubt. And an interesting thought: Would the kind of issue he's suffering be like a bum knee for a human, and about as awkward to move with?

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

And would seem like suspiciously quick timing. Any sane security force would have him and other politicians in secure lockdown for a couple of days, just in case of follow-up attacks.

Unless they're so inept that success would be unlikely even with all the chips on their side. Then it's time to dispose of them.

Ah, so it was an inside job, all right. I doubt the lot of them were all agents, but, like I suggested previously, a few good agents in the right place...

And now we get to meet those agents' bosses, eh?

Or he knows how to delegate better.

When OL is involved? When would they ever? OL is something you plan around, not for or against. Like a stage hazard in the Great Game of espionage.

A clean-up of anyone they don't already have in their pocket. Never know when a secret society fomenting unrest could be useful...

More importantly, would she feel the need to do anything with that proof? After all, I'm sure it would make great blackmail material at some point.

And for good reason. You got what you wanted. Better not to push your luck, since next time OL visits, he might not be in as helpful a mood.

Hmm... Now what do they think of her ideas, I wonder?

Ah, good, they're not opposed to the plan. Merely indifferent. A good way to get rid of potential disruptive elements, after all.

Probably got enough on his plate right now, for a start. I bet he's been popular amongst the engineering community for his metamaterial knowledge.

'Unusual', he says. The fellow has a way with understatement. But then, he probably takes the Hawks' reports with a spoonful of salt.

As Mr Zoat's Word of Zoat suggests, they're more like C'Tan, then. Beings of energy that can inhabit bodies of Nth metal as avatars, and have latched onto Thanagar like leeches.

Yeah, you never pull shit like that in your home biosphere, after all. Because whatever Hephaestus is thinking of, it's evidently rather hard on the scenery.

Which is not unexpected. We know magically active worlds are rare, after all. I bet there aren't a lot across the whole galaxy.

Woof, I can see that plan getting a hard 'no'.

Never has that old idiom been clearer: "In times of crisis, where wise men build bridges, foolish men build barriers..." (To paraphrase...)

Heh. Such is the burden of the old, eh? To remember the worst times, where the young have never known them...

Heh. Vulcan being a little hungrier for something new, eh? That could get him in trouble, someday, I bet.

Not the first time someone's dicked with his stash, after all. Remember the Sivana family visit?

Looks like OL at least took measures to keep his stuff more secure. Though I feel they're overestimating the average Orange Lantern, based on the greatest among them... Still, better to prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised, than the opposite.

I'd make a crack about flying too close to the sun, but he'd probably misinterpret it in some way.

Well, how enlightening. Possibly the worst kind of antagonist: A patriot with a cause he believes in. And not because of blind faith, but a rational estimation that his people could be better, and what he's doing is for their benefit. I'd say it'd be satisfying to see that kind of hubris laid low, but it's the sort of task that would result in a lot of suffering for people other than him alone. Perhaps we'll see it someday...

 

POP!

"We got him! The Illustres is dead!"

"Excellent work. Return and report-- what is that?"

"It appears to be a giant orange snake."

"YOU DUN GOOFED."

 

While I don't know how much Zoat will use of it, but in the comics Synn's power seems to be wholly focused on Nth metal- control over the four fundamental forces of the universe, even controlling Nth metal telekinetically, forming a giant body out of it.

Post flashpoint it's even effectively his digestive system, acting as storage for his stolen souls so he can consume more when he depletes his energy.

 

The militarists aren't really comfortable with the idea of gods or with their own ignorance. Those two are somewhat 'known', but any others wouldn't be.

They mostly assume that he was only dead for a given value of dead.

That's true in this story. I believe that in the comics the male psions are genetically evil, whatever that means.

I don't know what this refers to.

Not really. He knows from Truggs and their own behaviour that they'd be heading this way eventually even in the timeline he didn't exist in.

 

it was a rebound on Vaermina's post.