With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

He pissed off other Olympians, notably Zeus and iirc Apollo.

He's predicting Hades will delay punishment for that as long as he can get away with.

 

Yeah, after he was brought back to life by the Angels and went to Hades, he was told that Zeus came to Hades to make sure that when Paul dies, he goes to the bad parts of the Greek afterlife.

Hades told him he'd make his decision based in Paul's merits and actions.

 

Nothing, but he knows that the other gods will make strong representations and he'd probably rather avoid that.

 

A most pleasant discussion.

In fairness Sisyphus was a complete and total arsehole who absolutely deserved what he got.

 

It's not like they lit the guy on fire beforehand.

 

When Paul dies could the other Gods try to strongarm Hades to give Paul what they think is the appropriate punishment or could Hades just ignore them seeing as judging souls is his domain and the others don't get a say? I know Zeus and Apollo would want to give him the most severe punishment yet but Hades, Eris, Hera, Vulcan, Hephestus, and Mellione would be more in Paul's favor.
BTW What does Gaea think of Paul? I don't see her interfering in Paul's afterlife Judging but I'm curious if she has a positive view of him or not.

 

I'm aware. I asked for WAAAAAAAAGH!!! specifically. It's basically what one would call Fighting Spirit in a shonen. Warhammer 40k's own signature brand emotional energy. And I know a Primarch Vulkan got powered up into a (temporary) Ork God because of it.
Though I wonder just how long those 2 Pails can wander around b4 an Ork starts getting ideas.
Warboss Lantern WAAAAAAAAGH!!!

Mission Accomplished. Wonder if he'll evar krump dem gits Gork and Mork?

Bet that Sword of the First and Second of the Fallen would be real handy right now.

 

According to a priestess of Hades, it's possible for the other gods to make Hades send a soul to an afterlife they think is appropriate, but he may not necessarily have to follow their wished.

Zeus apparently tried to make him send Paul to Tartarus or something like that, but Hades told him that he'll judge Paul by himself.

And Gaea may like Paul, since he helped repair climate change and cleaned up the oceans, thus restoring the Earth.

 

The Orange Light can eat angels so honesty it depends of Zoat.

 

Oh god this is hilarious. I think you have You-Know-Who on ignore
There is one of his posts between these:

So DAT_NOOB wasn't telling Mr Zoat to tell what actually happened

 

HA! Thanks for that. I thought the topic was ngamer11’s post about Diana.

 

He Who Must Not Be Read

 

Mr Zoat, something just occurred to me. Did you ever do anything regarding Greta Hayes, aka Secret? Harm's sister, who he murdered to become "pure", joined the Team while a ghost, and was eventually resurrected by Darkseid?

 

I think he just followed that like YJ did.

Zatanna and Artemis fought Harm, figured our he killed his sister, helped arrest him, and Greta's soul was free to go to the afterlife.

The only difference here us that Harm developed a limp after his fight with the two of them, due to Artemis's super strength.

 

They never met her due to overpowering him in their first encounter. I guess she'd still there.

 

Unless she moved on after her brother was beaten and arrested.

 

*Looks at how many times Paragon has violated Xenia.*

Yea... Hades is making the right choice slow-boating Paragon's judgement...

 

When has he violated hospitality offered to him? Obvious examples are when he is infiltrating somewhere, which brings to mind… the hell arc and when he gave himself horn-nubs for that planet the Reach were infiltrating by bribing an obtuse government structure. The latter didn’t involve violence against the natives. Paul infiltrated Qward, but he was never welcomed and the natives were free to kill him or robots like him with impunity.

Paul was not responsible for Flash interrupting with the giant green lantern. Paul’s investigation into the Psion prison and subsequent legal action shouldn’t count.

 

Yeah, Paragon os generally a very cordial person id you arent a complete asshole. Or at least are a powerful asshole that he is trying to persuade. He is also very respectful of the concept of legal sovereignty and where he acts.

Renegade on the other hand... is an asshole.

 

He helped Bleez plan a rebellion, which violated the Xenia offered to him by the Thanagarian's.

He refused to help the Titan's outside of protecting his own interests, which violated the Xenia he was under from accepting the Titans hospitality.

 

A. Bleez is not planning a rebellion against the Thanagarian empire, find a different example. She is reforming the culture and economics of her world through political means. When the story was on Thanagar we learned that worlds distant from the core of the empire were more relaxed with their behavior and certain cultural elements. Here on Bleez’s world the existing Thanagarian structures heavily penalize native races. Changing that successfully is within her right when she inherits.
I will admit that taking Bleez to a world which had its government overthrown could look VERY worrying for any military advisors aware of Bleez’s political power. Doubly so if Bleez ever received a Book of Orange, indicating she was a ring prospect.


B. Paul is not a mage so he could not heal the Titans before leaving. The three sources of concern the Titans held were 1. The impending invasion from a Darkseid-funded zealot, 2. The existence of the Controller sun-eaters beneath their planet, 3. Responsibly raising the civilians under the care of their world government. Paul helped significantly with fending of the forces of number one, which was a lethal threat to the titans. The technology guarding the dormant sun-eaters is beyond Ring-tech manipulation, so he made arrangements for Controllers to attend to said tech. Paul explained that a crater might need to be made between the underground facility and the surface in order to physically transport the sun-eaters, giving the Titans time to prepare. As for the third point: I think Paul offered to share books on political systems with the male Titan he primarily spoke to, but I cannot confirm if an exchange of digital archives actually happened.

Paul completed his assignment from the Controllers and left on good terms, even if the locals were traumatized by their deities being rendered comatose. He sure as hell didn’t steal the Titan orbs when he had the chance, so I’m not sure how to fault any of his actions that arc.

 

None of that matters to Xenia...

Also you forgot that Paragon directly helped the people who attacked the Titan's, and continues to offer his assistance to them.

 

Didn't he do that to subvert the enemy leader who was in league with Doctor Impossible, and by extension Apokalypse, and when shown proof the soldiers under her command rebelled. And the reason why he continued to help them was because they had faulty information and no back up leader to take control, many of them were young adults at that, and neither them or the local soldiers knew how to restore the Titans' seeds back to their bodies.

Plus just because he converted to the greek pantheon, or has become a citizen of Themyscira, doesn't mean he's obligated to follow such an ancient tradition. Especially since he's dealing with alien societies/cultures who would just as well invite him into their home under a false pretense of peace just to blast him the back; as the Thanagarian government is using him to test their anti-lantern plans and weapons, Bleez was introduced to act as a honey-pot to spy on which she has admitted, and continue to make plans for the future.

The only way you could argue that Paul has been a inhospitable guest would be for him to be rude to his fellow Themyscirans or the gods themselves, he had helped Eris toss Apollo into a pigsty and convince Hera to divorce Zeus when she learned about Cassie, and he's definitely done his best to ingratiate himself to them; helping them have kids, solving the mystery of Diana's would be killers, and coming to the islands defense when under attack.

 

Should I just use his name whenever I ask him for clarification?

 

If Paul just died, then this time he might actually end up in Erebus instead of getting forced to the Silver City or just discorporating in space until a clone body shows up.

 

I like how this proves beyond argument that Paragon has taken the lives of innocents.

 

The clone body with the lich ring is still around, yes? He'll probably pop into that body and be back on Earth in a few minutes.

 

In the comics she went after Wildcat for framing a man for a murder he didn't commit after he did murder three other people.

The guns' definition of innocent is wordgamed into a meaningless buzzword.

 

What are the odds Paul is going to accidentally talk Crimson Avenger II into committing suicide?