With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I know that. But still, Paul actually did raise the dead. And he could do it again, if he wanted to. Even call in some deals with Mammon. He just doesn't want to. It wasn't a real failure, nor was the outcome really unexpected. The process was just easily hijacked by powerful beings.

I would count what Paul did to Mammon in my earlier list of crimes against nature, but making a demon act rationally isn't really that strange. I also don't count all the stuff he does with the emotional spectrum, because that is much more in his area of expertise than cutting edge magical subversion.

 

Huh. Speaking of Titans in parole.

"Prometheus will feature, but at the moment he's still in Tartarus."

So I guess Prometheus gets to come out after Hephaestus is King of Olympus?

Edit: Also, it seems like this is an arc that has been planned for a while.

"I have.. plans for Zeus."

 

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Yeah, I think he thinks that and he wouldn't be wrong to think that you would do that since you just may do something like that.

'in the ground'

 

That should say 'at'.

Does the fact that it's called a hellship mean it is in anyway powered by the forces of hell? Or is there another reason for its naming scheme?

 

People like Sam here are one of the big things wrong with this world.

 

One of the ways to use magic to travel to different planets is by going through Hell.

I'm assuming that this ship is able to enter Hell and then come out to a different part of the universe.

 

I think Paragon-Paul talked about the idea that hell, as a realm like the Kingdoms/Parliaments, is not limited to Earth. So one could theoretically travel in the right direction, open a portal from one part of hell and wind up on another planet. The “ship” of hellship comes from the vehicle used to traverse hell to reach an appropriate portal site.

 

I think I remember Paul asking John Quinn about that. I suppose it makes sense that it would show up in the Renegade timeline instead, since the Renegade has his own personal magic researcher in Sunset.

 

It's not about being able to afford it, it's about domination. You'd think pretending to be the son of Darkseid, that he'd get that.

 

True, a bored lex Luthor is a dangerous Lex. Especially if he isn't focused on outdoing Superman. That's when he starts looking at everyone else and going 'You idiots are doing it all wrong.' Best to keep him focused on things like not letting other aliens invade.

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Given that he owns big chunks of it, and has a certain measure of possessive feelings towards the rest, I doubt it. Why trash the place you want to rule?

Good luck with that. Americans love their big, noisy cars too much to give it up entirely, no matter what some bigwig in Washington says.

Honestly, businessman Lex could generally just buy the country, if he wanted to rule it. But that would get in the way of actually interesting things.

To be fair, military applications do drive innovation. Usually by way of improving ease of repair and functionality. I've read too many stories of top-end cars that need to be half-dismantled to make a simple repair because engineers 'optimised' the design for performance, not ease of use. Military stuff? Not nearly so tricky, once the regular mechanics get their hands on things.

Generic stuff. I don't fancy his chances.

Especially when Lex holds the patents for the energy tech involved.

Especially considering stuff like Klarion and his involvement in solving the Sheeda incident. Assuming the latter is public information.

Oooh, snap.

I'm sure he had very good excuses. If not, his lawyers were probably very noisy.

Heh, hanging on Grayven's every word. And he doesn't even realise he's doing it, does he?

Now, now, did he say that?

...And you want Americans to be that face? Ehhh...

I mean, Russia is at least closer to a space-fleet program than America...

An American Colony would probably give the mother planet two middle fingers if they tried anything they didn't like. Like a baby Texas.

But it's a hell of a big idealistic endeavour. The whole country would probably have an ego-boner if they pulled it off.

Which is half the problem. Sam wants space to be American.

Another topical argument ahead...

As long as they could pivot to face out, and acquire targets in space. Orbital weapons batteries tends to be one of those sore spots in politics.

Sell them as what? Epic-level fireworks launchers?

And better to have them acquire them legally so you can levy taxes on them, than them turning to the black market or something.

Gee, Sam Lane not in the know on new projects? (Or at least very good at pretending)... Who'd have thought?

...I don't know, using Hell as a shortcut across interstellar distances sounds all manner of risky.

...Yet.

...Man, DC has some weird ideas sometimes. Especially when retro-welding stuff they acquired pre-Crisis.

At least, the only ones they know of.

An interesting little diversion. Presumably OL, Hecate and Simpson's brainstorming session is taking a while, or is too boring to show on-screen. And Mr Zoat can keep whatever discoveries they make secret until it's time for them to be unveiled, so win-win. Still, amusing to see the Renegade's secondary allies a little dissatisfied with his focus on others. But it's not like he was married to the idea of serving America. Would have looked a little awkward if Apokalips had looked in at the wrong moment, after all.

 

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When Lex isn't actively being fucked over by his paranoia and various neuroses, he basically wins everything forever. That's how fucking smart and willful the dude is. I mean, usually he is good up to and sometimes even including up to Deity level shenanigans, where depending on the writer, he can exist on even that board at times without being immediately squished by greater powers.

Sure, this is more or less true depending on the writer and the DC Universe/Timeline in question, but all in all, Lex Luthor is a human being with the capacity to basically triumph over most odds with nothing more than his wit and his will.

I love the archetype. When he isn't tied down by his obsessions, he's basically a Human Lucifer. When written well he's DC's answer to Victor Von Doom

 

I get the impression Sunset learned about Warhammer 40k and thought "that sounds like a great idea!"

I know using another realm where physics works a bit different as a form of hyperspace is a scifi classic, but they generally only use hell dimensions as their hyperspace when there's no better option.

 

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Thank you, corrected.

You may be technically correct here, but I think it's a reasonable thing for Grayven to say.

As I understand US law, that means that anyone who wants to use it can use it, but they have to pay him for the privilege.

Thank you, corrected.

 

So has the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 been rescinded? One of the major principles of that treaty, to which the US was a signatory, was that no state could place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in space.

 

Yes. All parties recognised that it needed to go as contact with aliens started happening, and the Sheeda and Lex Luthor's fleet were the final death knell. They can't put weapons in space that pass over the territory of other nations, but otherwise it's all go. Major nations are mostly keeping one another informed of what they're doing, as they're united in trying to defend the same planet.

 

Hellship?

 

It's funny you say that because the whole thing with warp travel is that it was a case of the emperor not having the technology base available to use the better FTL options in time to actually manage the upcoming immediate Stellaris Crisis scale threats such as the rangdan. Warp Travel provided the highest speed of transit of all of the emperor's options, but the entire great crusade was meant to set humanity back up as a the ruling galaxy-wide empire once they were able to upgrade into any of the better FTL options, of which webway travel was actually still largely inferior to the other options they could have used, but then the heresy happened. Suddenly only the FTL options that were already in place were the ones that anybody ever thought to use. The better FTL options still exist, but are no longer even possible for humanity to upgrade into, due to the heresy stealing away the competent half of the adeptus mechanicus, along with destroying or corrupting all the requisite databases in Mars and Earth to restart from first principles.

 

In theory, it's possible to open a portal to hell, fly through, close it, and then open a portal to any thaumically active world. As far as the Renegade knows no one has actually tried it yet, and the First of the Fallen probably wouldn't like it.

 

Isn't the First of the Fallen dead? And Lucifer is on earth somewhere?

 

No, in the Renegade timeline, Renegade managed to get the Sword of the Fallen and kill Sabbac fairly quickly, so they didn't need to summon the First to deal with him.

Because of this the First of the Fallen is still alive in the Renegade timeline.

And Licifer may have left the universe in that timeline too.

 

So, I shouldn't send in selfies?

 

Nice to see Silver Shield get mentioned.

And am I the only one thinking about Event Horizon with the Hellship? "Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see."

 

There's an invention called a "robe" that you may wish to invest in.

 

Patents aren't some magical ward...

If the US wants that tech and he actually filed the patents they can just eminent domain said patents and start building their own.

Which isn't going to be that hard given it took Luthor a month or two to retool his existing factories to start producing it.

 

I dunno, got any wax?

 

It was revealed that the patents office has a fax machine for sending Project M copies of all supertech that gets patented.

So the Creature Commandos play SG-1: Visit exotic alien planets, meet new people, and then shoot them in the face for trying to conquer the Earth.

Maybe it's the Stargate fan in me, but I quite like that.

 

It probably should be in a parallel where Mars is inhabited, and there are other aliens who might invade.