With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

The NCR also strips out a huge number of the compontents of their repurposed "Power armor" so it's not impossible to walk in.

 

Personally, I'm less interested in the war than what led up to it. At the end of Fallout 1, the Brotherhood were earning favour by introducing 'safe' technology to the California region. The Brotherhood fought against the Master, and several areas that joined the NCR came under super mutant attack during that period. Same with the Enclave. So how did the Brotherhood end up fighting the NCR?

There is a dummied out event that lets you duel Maxon if you don't like his policy on synths.

 

WHY WOULD YOU FOCUS ON THE KID IN THE FRIDGE QUESTLINE AND LEAVE THAT PART OUT???

 

The war was basically due to two things. Almost blind loyalty to their leader and getting a really shitty leader.

Somehow an ultra traditionalist "we can't let the savages have technology" Elder ended up in charge, and the NCR's advancement as a civilization got him extremely salty.

That's literally all it took. When he said to attack, the Brotherhood listened.

 

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Longer version.

 

Let me preface this with the fact that I haven't seen young justice. I want to make an enquiry on renegade chapters and episodes.
At first I assumed you could just skip them but then I got to the first renegade episode, which means I had to go read all the previous renegade chapters for said episode to make sense.(because I have no knowledge of young justice cannon). From then I have been reading renegade chapters just in case other renegade episodes show up again. My question is that since I have gotten to the point were paragon leaves Earth for maltus and the vega system is it okay for me to start skipping renegade chapters again and still make sense of everything because I don't really like renegade. I'm asking because I am scared that I might miss major story points in renegade that are important for the plot in paragon.

 

Renegade and Paragon are different story lines. You could ignore Renegade, it's a very different story especially at the point you are at

 

The Renegade and Paragon have interacted once, but it wasn’t a major interaction and you won’t really be missing much by ignoring it. I do recommend reading the Renegade, though, since I think some of the episodes are pretty great, like the one where he’s in that castle or fighting that secret agent. Obviously it comes down to your preference, though.
Edit: To be clear, I meant that the two timelines have interacted once. The actual characters of the Renegade and Paragon have never met.

 

Honestly, I don't care about that so much as how the whole Danse situation was mishandled by the writing. We don't know if he'd always been a synth, if he was a genuine infiltrator that just didn't know, if he was inserted into Rivet City by the Railroad, etc. Most likely he was a runaway that went through a Railroad mind wipe but that only raises further questions. It's especially frustrating because it could give insight into how this chapter recruits.

I also have a lot of sympathy for Arthur Maxson, with his young age (he's like 22 I think) and with being caught between the teachings of his mentor and orders from the Council of Elders at Lost Hills pulling him every which way. His story, along with the Brotherhood as a whole in 4, is an exercise in wasted potential and telling instead of showing. That, along with the betrayal of the Brotherhood's core mission.

There is no discussion of the Brotherhood's long term plan in Boston with what is in essence an expeditionary force beyond destroy the institute. There is no real demonstration of their logistical chain and you never have to go acquire technology possessed by normal people. All of this tech you recover is guarded by feral ghouls or raiders or the Church of Atom. Aside from the badly handled Danse plotline, there is no real demonstration of the this iterations supposed hardliner tendencys. The closest is casual racism against ghouls and synths in addition to some off the books food requisition missions from the quartermaster, even then it's implied higher is unaware of it and you can pay them a fair price directly. Plus, them looking down on wastelanders doesn't make much sense, since it seems most of this Brotherhood are first generation recruited from wastelanders! Being xenophobic in the face of possible synth infiltration would have made a bit more sense.

No efforts to wipe out organized raiders, even as a radiant quest? No reaction to Nuka-World? Or Vault 88? Or even seizing any other strategic location or technological treasure trove? As undermanned as the Lyons Chapter was in FO3, they had like 3 or 4 strong points they'd garrisoned, in addition to the Outcasts.

When you seize through force a trove of both pre-war knowledge and post war discovery, you slap a nuke on it and call it a day? Really? The Brotherhood? On a functional new nuclear reactor and freaking teleport tech?

This has become a much longer rant then it needed to be. Sorry about that.

 

Okay, that's it. No more Fallout for a while.

 

Krono strikes me as the one paul variant that honestly shouldn’t be as successful as he is, but looking forward to seeing what john’s been upto

 

Why because he doesn't have a ring?

 

Urgh. Poor Bastards.

 

Sounds like the bad kind of trip. At least the militiamen kept him from getting into any kind of trouble. Still probably not the weirdest thing he's done since waking up in this world... Even if it might be one of the most traumatic.

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Ouch. the worst kind of memory sharing. Seeing bad stuff that you can't help but feel as if it's happening to you directly.

It's worth noting: those people being turned into Cybermen? Once they were freed of the implanted control chips, most immediately killed themselves. Says a lot about how bad it was, huh?

Thankfully, Krono isn't alone, then.

So, he's been under for a while, presumably reliving the conversion process over and over. Bet that'll leave him with nightmares.

At least the memories will fade in time. Hopefully.

Oooh, a psychic battle-bot. There's a scary idea, especially if it's hostile...

Yeah, got to be wary of the psychic equivalent of viruses. Like an Ear-worm. Your buddies would not be happy to suffer from that kind of mnemonic infection...

Only needs, what, two hundred pounds of onions, right? The Lizards can do wonders with that kind of materiel.

That would be the operatives killed in their first encounter with the Battle-bots, eh?

Heck, some people would jump at that opportunity.

Hopefully not long. I doubt the Colonists here would be happy with you taking up a hospital bed for weeks.

Always got to love the mid-scene timestamp... You can just imagine it popping up on screen with an almost embarrassed animation.

Oooh, tingly. Bet they can give one hell of a deep-tissue massage, huh?

I suspect he would have heard about you being hauled in on a stretcher by the troops.

Just try not to confuse therm with technical jargon, huh?

They might object to that kind of frankensteining.

Good point. The whole process would be kind of contingent on him wanting to live.

Just look at all the people who can keep functioning even after having chunks knocked clean out of their skull.

Fortunately, you get to avoid the hangover, thanks to your biokinetic buddy.

Well, there's a non-sequitor for you.

The joy of having to answer to someone else, huh?

I know, it sounds like science fiction, doesn't it?

Huh, he's got guts, I'll give him that. Letting them kill you would be the easy way out...

Ah, see, that was your mistake. You forgot to account for narrative inconvenience. This is the kind of universe that is out to get you, after all.

Geez, these names. It's like someone wanted to make a generation of action movie stars...

I mean, their maker probably wants to keep expanding their territory.

Gentlemen, prepare for trouble...

In other words, he's not happy about any of this, much less having to rely on Krono for aid?

And a good natural stopping point for this plotline. I'm sure we'll be seeing the fallout of this scenario soon enough. At least it sounds like OL will finally be getting back on the trail of John Constantine, following distraction after distraction... Seriously, I can't wait until he can get to have words with John once and for all. Maybe smack him over the head a few times for all the trouble he's been put through.

 

It was fun while it lasted. That’s genuine, not sarcasm by the way. I just find psychic powers a lot easier to digest (suspending my disbelief) than other superpowers. Unless things reach Dark Phoenix or Mob Psycho levels, I suppose.

I do wonder though, if there is some potential here. With a cybernetic cable connecting the biological body’s head to their previous robot body, could this victim learn to operate two bodies at once? Obviously the cable is a weak point, but there is potential for power armor or a mech here.

 

One of these is not like the other, lol.

 

I could be wrong but this seems awfully similar to the Calculator and Vault 0 from Fallout Tactics.

 

Huh, I had forgotten about that. I mainly remembered when they turned off the mind control chips, and there was a scene of one woman who got free just in time to start getting vivisected.
Also, I just realised that the Doctor’s message in that episode about how the Cybermen will be stagnant if they win is completely wrong, given that they are entirely capable of technological advancement in later seasons, like the one with the black hole.

 

they only innovate as a result of outside pressure. If the cybermen of Pete's world which are different than the Mondasian cybermen had won and converted the whole world they'd probably just sit there twiddling their thumb. I'm mean maybe the cyber controller that CEO guy would innovate because he seemed a bit more with it, but still less likely.

 

did didn't -> it didn't

 

Well, I’d think that if they had half a brain (which I think they do), they would still have outside pressure, given that they’d realise the threat of alien invasion, which is hardly a rare occurrence in Doctor Who. You have got a point about them being a different type of Cybermen, though.

 

Though in Pete's world there is a Torchwood it is not explained how it formed, because there doesn't seem to be a Doctor equivalent in that parallel, so I don't know how much alien involvement there is.

 

I still think that at least the Cyber-Controller should be able to predict the threat of aliens, but I will admit that it is reasonable to say that they might not.

 

Ugh, yeah, poor people. I'm assuming they were all roboticized, and there aren't just pods of people in suspended animation waiting to be roboticized.

 

Given how profligate the creators seem to be, and given that the local human population is probably very low due to the radiation storms, I would guess that they do still have a large population in stasis, or maybe even an unfrozen breeding population. Could be completely off the mark, though.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Oh good. Krono is the least interesting of the alternate Pauls we've met. (Maybe excluding the Ambush Bug run, who I don't remember.)

 

Hopefully will see X-Man Paul get a turn next time!

 

And see Paul clapping Rouge's cheeks while Gambit cries into some Hagen Daz