With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

The best advice for dealing with certain people who have their own headcanoned version of the fic that took a left turn at Albaqwirky a literal decade ago is to deny recognition.

 

In order:
- The important part of the temple had Apokoliptian tech, which would probably resist any of Paul's available attacks
- Kon wasn't there with him at the time. His only back up was Tezumak and a surprise from Cornwall Boy.
- That isn't how that works. Although Paul hears a heartbeat, it's not a literal heart that he can rip out of his body and use as a sacrifice.
- Paul can't interact directly with the obsidian, or at least he can't remove it quickly or easily.
- A second Paul devotes to thinking of a loophole that might not even exist, is a second that Mannheim has to decide to eliminate Paul on a whim.

 

Don't bother, fam. IIRC Vaermina mostly trolls with dumb ideas due to the fic not using their own headcanon.

I mean they literally had that last 'possible thing he could have done' be basically "I don't know and haven't thought of it, but because MC didn't either he's dumb and stupid", and most of the others be completely idiotic.

Just do:

^^^ THIS ^^^

He's making shit up, and because the fic's canon doesn't match their headcanon, says it's dumb. Just don't engage.

 

To be fair, there almost certainly are things the SI could do better at any particular stage. Difficult encounters for him are ones at the edge of his knowledge.

 

Vaermina only has a point when he talks about stuff from source Canon that he actually knows about. His grasp on the Canon of the fics he reads is significantly less relevant even more so when the fics deviate heavily from their source.

In Mr Zoat case he has been daily updating this fic for ages, tweaking and changing things so Vaer knows less than nothing.

 

I really like this planescape stuff, it was the best campaign setting.

 

'as he flails'

Shit, he's absorbing it.

 

Even if Paul hadn't pissed him off, I'm not sure why he'd heal him.

Paul isn't his worshipper or champion, so he may not receive a blessing.

Plus, even if Paul prays to him, the tattoos may block him from seeing him.

And they may do that more after what happens next.

Hey, Paul is into some weird shit and Qualpopoca lived in that place for centuries, so it's logical for her to think that they'd know something.

After Manheim ate the whole Aztec realm, they may be less inclined for their usual shit in favor of helping the ones that may be able to save them all.

 

Thank you, corrected.

That's not exactly the issue. He doesn't want Apollo's active help, he wants Apollo to stop actively impeding him.

 

I think the implication is that Apollo has cursed Paul in such a way that magical healing would either be weakened or not work entirely for him.

Edit: Ninja'd.

In that case, at what point would Paul consider Apollo being replaced to be the more expedient and beneficial solution? And could he convince Hephaestaean to replace Apollo in the first place?

 

When he does it to other people. At the moment it usually isn't a problem because he can heal himself with his ring.

 

’or in their’

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Those should be removed.

As much as I hope that this is the kick in the pants that the Amazons need to be more active in reintegrating with the rest of the world, I seriously doubt anything short of the literal death of a few of their gods could get them to do that.

 

I feel like LePaul is missing something huge here.

Like some long reaching Aztec spell or bit of magic that he doesn't know about, or maybe some sort of super powerful Aztec arcane seal holding back some ancient evil.

 

Well, if that's what Mannheim did then things just turned even worse. To my eyes, that afterlife could be also Mesoamerican and not just Aztec, since Tezumak was there. So all across Central America and Mexico magical traditions, spells and effects have just gone poof!

Absorbing all those Mythos, all that magic, essentially a big chunk of the planet's Thaumosphere, could also empower Mannheim to insane degrees. New Gods don't need to jump through hoops to exist in the material world while still being able to exert their metaphysical power, and now Mannheim ate who knows how many gods, their realms and the remaining souls. Usually that's an endgame for a bad guy because at that point, that level of power should make them unstoppable, but to Mannheim this is Plan B and still the means to an end, supposedly.

 

Really, the human mind isn't really designed to imagine that sort of thing. We kind of expect things like sea, earth and sky to remain where we expect them to be. And when they don't we tend to get headaches. Especially the physicists and geologists.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

"Frankly, I'm as lost as you are, mortal. This is a bit beyond my ken."

Well, call him Captain Obvious, then. I suppose his portfolio doesn't really extend to comprehending complex meta-physical transformations of arcane geography.

And now, nothing remains of the Aztec mythos. Besides a few wounded ghosts and one left-over deity.

I shudder to imagine the paperwork for the other divine realms as they deal with a population suddenly bereft of their ancestral ties. Lots of new blood converts to take on, though.

Remind me, did Aztek actually have connections to the Aztecs, or was that just a Luthor thing? I can't think of too many other personages in DC with Aztec links...

Fortunately, most of the Central andSouth American pantheons of empires like the Inca and Maya aren't super closely related (barring some crossover deities.) Though I wouldn't be surprised if they were giving the former Aztec realm the side-eye and sweating.

Ooh, good point. I wonder what effect this will have on Mexico and its neighbouring lands?

At least she's walking now. Though I expect she's still not in great shape. I get the feeling Cluracan will be very overprotective of her for a while... until he gets distracted by something shiny.

Oh, no. I doubt that was the reasoning behind all this nonsense. What could you do to him? Are you secretly a god?

Please, ladies, don't go doing anything drastic without checking with your gods first?

Like a viral attack? Softening the borders to allow a stronger assault?

Cold, but logical. And for the most part, the Amazons can take care of themselves. They weren't having that much trouble with the Aztec zombies, after all.

Again, how, General? Do you have some god-slaying weapon you've been keeping hidden away? Because OL could probably make better use of it right now.

I mean, a few dozen demigods in three hundred thousand? Plus the fact that nearly every Amazon is a powerful militia fighter.

In other words, 'sort it out yourselves, I have a god to defeat.'

Let's hope things don't take too long on that front. surely Robin and Match have their fight finished by now.

Ah, yes. The concept of 'honour debts' so important to Elves. Do one a good turn, and they'll owe you one in kind.

And an open-ended thing like this is pretty major. OL asking for nothing leaves a huge karmic weight on her.

Probably figuring she's getting off easy on that front.

If nothing else, I suspect some of the overseas heroes might laugh at their concepts. Seriously, not all British capes were invented with seriousness in mind.

Not taking any chances this time, eh, OL?

Things could get noisy at their destination, especially if the robot army is still fighting. Still, four A-tier heroes will turn the tide quite quickly. And with any luck, OL can get in touch with the league and update them on what the fuck has gone down in the last couple of days. Because these last couple of episodes have been one day in-universe. OL's never gonna lose that 'jinx' reputation at this rate...

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Shouldn't Cernunnos' dialogue be Bolded, or has he lost a little volume in Themyscira?

"Because Kon-Sten-Tyn bound it to England and Otherworld in perpetuity."

 

Sorry to correct you but...
1. The Mayan's are Central American like the Aztecs.
2. The Mayan's while not exactly related did share the god Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan and I think a bunch of other gods with the Atecs as well as both groups religions being very focused on offering human blood/human lives to the gods. Most Central America peoples had the Feathered Serpent as part of their pantheon and shared other important bits of culture like the Mesoamerican ballgame where the losing team or maybe just their Captain risked being a sacrifice to the gods.

 

Can't say for sure, but in most settings they have at least a couple stored away for Hades/Ares emergencies.

Of course, he would probably have to ask about them. Or at least participate in a non-lecturing conversation long enough for them to volunteer the information.

 

‘god-type’?

Did even Tlaltehcuhtli die? I guess Mannheim still had her original heart?

‘is gathering’

’it’ll’?

 

This is part of the reason why I'm suspecting that Mannheim may have eaten the whole conglomerate of Mesoamerican Mythos. Tezumak is the other. He's supposed to be pre-Aztec Mesoamerican, so possibly Olmec, or a precursor to those. By virtue of being among the first civilizations to develop in the region, they also influenced the civilizations that came after them. Tezumak's presence in that afterlife means that their Mythos may have been inherited as well, so other Mesoamerican Pantheons may be interconnected or at least in contact with each other. Especially when they even share Gods, with practically no difference (unlike with Hepheastus and Vulcan, whom may have differences that separate and distinguish them).

Tlazolteotl was even trying to contact Bast, probably as a trap, so that Mannheim could extend the scheme. So more than likely they had already captured the other related gods nearby by that point.

 

Thank you, corrected.

They are doing it, just really slowly.

Thank you, corrected.

No, I think that's correct.

 

Wonder how many more chapters, each with their own delays and distractions, will be fitting into those ‘couple of days’.
This sodding arc has been going on for more than a year real-time and about one and a half months in-universe. I have long since given up hope on it ending any time soon.

 

Actually, aren't a lot of them moms by now? Paul did, uh, fertilize(?) a lot of them.

If they have a lot of babies to protect that might make them even more isolationist currently.

(Also, was it only female babies? I don't remember)

 

When Paul helps the women impregnate one another, he can make sure it comes out a girl. It's when the women leave Themyscira and get pregnant the old fashioned way that can possibly result in boys.

 

[Sighs because his father was a biology teacher and he knew this stuff entirely too early]

Go away and look up how chromosomes work, and then tell me where the 'y' for a boy would come from.

 

I thought I remember Paul saying that with his ring he can ensure that the pregnancies he facilitates would all turn out female. Or am I misremembering?

 

My friend, in simple terms, a kid's sex is determined by their chromosomes, the mother contributes one of their X and the father contributes an X or a Y.

Two females would contribute one of their X, resulting in XX. Ergo, only female babies can be produced.