With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

So I just looked it up, and now I'm left scratching my head.

Because in 1997, the computers at Stargate Command wouldn't have even had Wifi capability.

 

Vaermina, I assume you’re questioning how the ring is able to scan their computers. I’m pretty sure wi-fi or any other sort of connectivity is not necessary, because the ring can just directly scan the internals of the computers and get data that way. I think this has been established previously in the story, though it is possible that I am wrong.

 

You must have been reading another fic for this past decade because a lack of Wifi has never stopped the ring from entering systems and stealing information, all that is required was for Paul to want it hard enough and for no bullshit like magic to get in the way.

 

.... Wait, I think you may have stumbled onto something. This would explain like 99% of Vaermina's complaints

 

The easy one would be through the MALP and drone links there which work even through the gate, I believe there is a radio thing there.

 

It scans computers by accessing through either a physical or wireless connection.

Isolated air gaped systems are in fact his natural enemy.

Yup, but they wouldn't be sending/receiving unless a MALP was under active control.

He'd basically have to create a hard line connection to the base computers with a ring construct, spoof an activation command for the MALP sending/receiving system, hide the activation and power draw from the transmission array, and then keep that up for however long it takes the ancient analog transmitter to slowly send the data to his ring.

And well, given the first step of that is "create a hard line connection to the base computers with a ring construct", why do the rest at all?

 

That was literally at the start of the fic when Paul had no experience using his ring. Its been established for YEARS now that Paul can get into unprotected systems fairly easily if he "wants" to hard enough, with one of the only things stopping him being magic.

This Paul already has between 3 to 4 years of experience digging into advanced computer systems and scanning shit unnoticed so in that regard he is a veteran even if he is lacking when it comes to combat.

 

There are several other things that have some kind of wireless connection in the series and we don't know how secure those are.

Later on with the Alpha and other sites, they also have entire data dumps that happen automatically there.

A more general WiFi setup is also directly possible considering it's not that far ahead of tech capabilities at that point, and you have the recurring issue that the SGC was retrofitted from the decommissioned missile silo/secure storage facility very rapidly in show, and you also had several points where there was wireless data transfers...and the SGC does, also, have alien tech that would do the exact same thing that they could retrofit for their own use since they did capture several Goa'uld probe "grenade" spheres.

 

This argument is pointless because its been already established that the Paul's can dig into "air gapped" systems, if they WANT to hard enough and Paulmon has at minimum 3 years of experience as a lantern digging into databases with his ring.

The only problems Paulmon has mentioned its gaining access to systems that are non operational/inert as digging into them would need him to turn them on first and that could be noticeable.

 

This Paul only has the limited Goa'uld tech database and a once a day Lantern recharge. (Because no central power battery link means limited recharge, something already established in this story.)

The Paul you're referencing had training from other lanterns, multiple alien technological databases, advanced human technology databases, training in magic, above 100% charge rings, enlightenment, and the Ophidian. And even then I'm not sure you're actually remembering it right.

Yes, but those are all later on.

In fact, if I remember right the first occurrence was about two years in the future after the SGC had switched to the Mark II MALP's.

 

Indeed, Paul has mentioned in the past 'magical hacking' and when asked to explain, he goes on to talk about how data is literally physically stored on a computer and so even without wifi, so long as there are no anti ring protections, he can literally scan the physical data at range.

What I remember is specifically when they were in Minion. He has a whole discussion
In fact, here is the scene

I see no reason why Paulmon can't do that.

 

Because that level of scanning detail was gained when he was possessed by the Ophidian and gained enlightenment?

At least, that's what I recall. Might be misremembering given how long it's been.

 

I can't recall either and I'm not willing to dig for a relevant quote. Partially cus I'm tired and partially because finding a relevant chapter for that is not worth the effort imo.

 

Speaking of, any chance we're going to get details on what the war aims of the SGverse USA are in this conflict? Realistically, they would have some, but the writers of the show might not have bothered thinking about it, or might have contradictory ideas.

 

And that is relevant why?

The argument is that is been established for years that it's possible to scan and steal information from systems, and such capabilities are only limited by the NEED/WANT of the user and whether the system is protected by magic bullshit or not.

 

Okay, but then why was he limited to the SGC?

 

He wasn't? Where are you even getting that from? Like, he doesn't care about non-SGC stuff because he has other shit to do, but where do you find an implication that he can't scan beyond the base?

 

Some of their other things involved uses of the Goa'uld sensor "grenades" that they could tap into with the base computer early on in some of the expanded material as well as a laptop early on...because they could be acquired and reprogrammed in the field.

 

I'd also point out the SGC had an unpowered Ancient database in storage. So if he scanned everything like that his ring should now have a complete copy of the Ancients database.

 

that didn’t answer my question

 

I'm going to agree with you that Ancient security was pretty good. It's s likely a fair bit better than 1990s cutting edge Earth computers, or even Goa'uld data storage.

There's not really any good reason to assume that the (quick, resistance free) data dump from the SGC computers would have been able to penetrate the Ancient database. If that's even currently on base instead of at Area 51.

 

Aside for Ba'al becoming Supreme System Lord, most of the time changes I remember probably wouldn't affect him. They'd happen, then unhappen, and things would continue.

 

"focused"

Not really.

Humans have thousands of years of developing their own tech before they even got to the Stargate.

Goa'uld on the other hand don't seem to really do that and just steal tech.

That's not necessarily true.

Goa'uld may have their parents' knowledge, but they may not necessarily be all that smart.

I can potentially memorize something about quantum physics.

That doesn't mean I'd understand it.

And even if they gain the understanding, that doesn't mean they'd understand something new.

You offered to change his biology on a fundamental level a few seconds ago, using a method he has never seen or heard of before, and who you may not have even really used, since the Jaffa you hang around probably don't want to change.

Even people that would like to change their bodies wouldn't take you up on that offer.

The fact that he sees you as a scum-sucking parasite that he's known for like less than a hour and who insulted him and his allies is not doing your sales pitch any favors.

 

I really don't understand why this Paul is so hostile to the star gate people.

I get he's pretending to be a Goa'uld but it seems to go beyond that. That last dig at Teal'c for example. That feels like a bit much.

Did Paul really not like the Stargate show or something?

 

"Do you want a sudden life-changing bodily alteration from someone you don't trust, just for a moral victory?"

"No."

"Bitch."

 

That isn't the point. The point is to take away the moral high ground.

 

Paul's that choose a side like to needle the other side if they think that side has wronged them.

It's actually a fairly prominent trait among Paul's that seem to pick the less savory sides, like this one has.

I think Zoat mentioned that since no Goa'uld would like a traitor Jaffa, then Paul was going to act like he doesn't like him to keep up appearances.

He doesn't even remember the show.

None of the Paul's remember the setting they are in.

He only remembers the movie.

 

If you reread the start of the story you can see the effects of the people he works with has on him; regular path and the renegade path

 

Orange light highlights in group out group dynamics.