Announcement on Rule 3 and Doujin/Hentai Websites

[CosmicBigfoot]

Can I sig this?

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Yeah, that's fine with me

 

[ragna123]

Idk what that means, but the answer is probably yeah

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like add it to the little text box thing under peoples posts on desktop. like have the quote on their posts

 

[Avernus]

Idk what that means, but the answer is probably yeah

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What they said. "Sig" is short for "signature", used as a verb.

 

[NumberSix]

...huh. Don't think I've ever had to link to sites like that for an image, but to be safe/clarify: mentioning the links/location (so long at the content itself isn't pirated) like the example above is still okay to do?

edit: i.e. [site name] dot [com/net/etc]

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Just download the image and upload it to some place like postimages or imagechest.

TBH with more and more sites using crap like cloudflare and making it harder to see even static content those should be better than direct links to manga sites, even if the manga sites are on the approved list.

It would be annoying but then again I have maybe linked to covers of stuff on here once at most twice.
And I think I had to use an image site aneuad because nhentai didn't like the direct linking.

Even if the work is an original and even if it is licensed in the west "citing" it should not be illegal since you are just showing the cover or one or two pages.

 

[Tomato]

As such, we have implemented Xenforo's word replacement/censorship to auto break the URL links to those sites. This will work by breaking the clickability of the websites.

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The reason people asked several times about Dropbox and Mega is that this paragraph implies those domains would be blocked. Could use rewording.

 

[NumberSix]

Is nhentai blocked?

I think the average user of QQ should be internet savvy enough to find most content even with zero links, so the fact that people can still give name drops and say what site they pulled it from doesn't really make this update that big of a deal. If you ask someone for the sauce and they just say "332281 nhentai" that alone should be enough for 9/10 users. If someone still needs to be dripfed even after that then just do a full name drop and say "Natsu no Senpai no Oshiri on Nhentai". If they STILL need to be dripfed then... oh well! Not all sea turtles make it to the ocean. Not all gooners make it to the strip club.

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I am generally very strongly anti-censorship and pro-being able to discuss whatever lewd stuff I like and link to it.
Hence why I am asking.

On a semi-related note the first working piece of code I ever wrote was a perl based ExHentai manga downloader.

Nowadays there are separate apps for that like Hentoid.

 

[ultima333]

The reason people asked several times about Dropbox and Mega is that this paragraph implies those domains would be blocked. Could use rewording.

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Clarified the Rule
Rule 3 new text:

Do not link to pirated content.

• Linking to manga reader sites and image hosting sites like Danbooru, imgur, etc does not count.
• Manga readers that give a download option, such as ExHentai, may be mentioned along with the title of a work, but not linked to.
• Linking download repositories like Dropbox, MegaSync, etc DOES count as linking to pirated content if the content in the shared link is pirated.

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[NumberSix]

Clarified the Rule
Rule 3 new text:

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I am curious, did something happen to spook you so much all of a sudden?

Also, under the law you should not be considered a publisher but rether s platform, which means you are not liable for what users post.

 

[coldpyr0]

I am asking because the legal distinction has been made before where torrents are concerned.

Also, as fan works, which is a major portion of the content on those sites doujinshi can't really be copyrighted.
Original work could be, but there are also other mueky dependencies, like of the work has been licensed outside of Japan.
IIRC one artist struck a deal with some US based publishers and they struck original content they had licensed.
Sites like nhentai actually don't have them when they had them previously.

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Just download the image and upload it to some place like postimages or imagechest.

TBH with more and more sites using crap like cloudflare and making it harder to see even static content those should be better than direct links to manga sites, even if the manga sites are on the approved list.

It would be annoying but then again I have maybe linked to covers of stuff on here once at most twice.
And I think I had to use an image site aneuad because nhentai didn't like the direct linking.

Even if the work is an original and even if it is licensed in the west "citing" it should not be illegal since you are just showing the cover or one or two pages.

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You really keep pushing huh? I'm not sure why you do when it's been explained a few times.

A single ruling does not a precedent set, so the safe option for avoiding having to spend money that they shouldn't need to spend is to avoid the liability entirely. You can discuss it, you can even talk explicitly about the content and the location but you cannot use QQ as the middle man through actual links. Simple as.

 

[ultima333]

I am curious, did something happen to spook you so much all of a sudden?

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It was more like, I did a search for a couple of the sites on a whim, and it came back with 40 pages or results. So instead of processing all of that, we turned to a technology solution that ult implemented.

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so not really, no.

 

[NumberSix]

You really keep pushing huh? I'm not sure why you do when it's been explained a few times.

A single ruling does not a precedent set, so the safe option for avoiding having to spend money that they shouldn't need to spend is to avoid the liability entirely. You can discuss it, you can even talk explicitly about the content and the location but you cannot use QQ as the middle man through actual links. Simple as.

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I am asking because I am curious if somebody started harassing the site with copyright claims or if some legal nonsense in the USA happened.

That and I am pointing out thet there are lots of legal specifics ralatsd to the subject.

 

[coldpyr0]

I am asking because I am curious if somebody started harassing the site with copyright claims or if some legal nonsense in the USA happened.

That and I am pointing out thet there are lots of legal specifics ralatsd to the subject.

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And they have pointed out that legal specifics do not protect from legal action itself, nothing stops frivolous lawsuits and preventing it from becoming an issue is vastly easier than fixing it while already paying money for lawyers to debate things already decided but aren't EXACTLY like this case as the legal system is the triangle love child of a pedantic, a sloth and greed.

 

[NumberSix]

so not really, no.

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Fair enough, though some idiot or A.I. slopbot might be harassing the place.

 

[NumberSix]

And they have pointed out that legal specifics do not protect from legal action itself, nothing stops frivolous lawsuits and preventing it from becoming an issue is vastly easier than fixing it while already paying money for lawyers to debate things already decided but aren't EXACTLY like this case as the legal system is the triangle love child of a pedantic, a sloth and greed.

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And the admin staff here has specified thet they are not lawyers and don't want to deal with it.

The law works in a different way fromw ahr you think, namely.

. Legal Compliance (Safe Harbor)

Most forums operating in jurisdictions like the US rely on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) safe harbor provisions to avoid liability for content posted by their users.

• Notice and Takedown: Platforms are generally not liable for user-posted links unless they have "actual knowledge" of the infringement or receive a formal takedown notice.
• Expeditious Removal: Once notified of a link to pirated content, the platform must act quickly to remove or disable access to it to maintain its legal immunity.
• Repeat Infringer Policy: Forums are required to have a policy for banning users who repeatedly post infringing material

Section 512 of Title 17: Resources on Online Service Provider Safe Harbors and Notice-and-Takedown System | U.S. Copyright Office

Section 512 of Title 17: Resources on Online Service Provider Safe Harbors and Notice-and-Takedown System

www.copyright.gov

 

[alethiophile]

I will note that this is not the thread to argue about the actual minutiae of copyright law.

QQ's policies in this area are set according to the risk tolerance of the staff -- not only risk of formal liability, but also risk of having to deal with legal process. We are not going to be argued into changing the policy by non-lawyer users citing legal points at us.

 

[Weeble5536]

In short:

Even if in so-and-so situation you could prove the site was not legally in the wrong, you don't want to even HAVE TO have that fight to begin with.

So just don't post links to places you can download pirated stuff guys.

 

[Myrtenaster]

For the sake of keeping it straight in my head, would it pan out to something like this?

Example sites that are never allowed to be linked to:

• exhentai
• nhentai
• nyaa
• etc...

Example sites that are okay to link to IF AND ONLY IF the content is legal to share:

• google drive
• mega
• dropbox
• etc...

That sound about right?

 

[JadeKaiser]

That's basically my take on this as well. From the sound of things the new rule just boils down to "you can do just about everything except directly post and link to pirated content". This isn't really a change that demands elite ball knowledge to adapt to.

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This isn't a new rule. The rule was already in place. The only thing that's changed is that now QQ automatically breaks certain links that violate the rule by replacing some of the text. The reason being that we noticed a crap-ton of rule violations, and we didn't want to go through all of them and hand out warnings to everybody when we could just break the links and post a reminder.

And I guess now, there's also that Ultima edited a clarification into a different part of the rule because NumberSix is being a nitpicky little shit. Again. But that's separate from the actual announcement, and happened after your post.

 

[Hologram]

So no DIRECT links.

But if I just mention what site I used to get something that's fine? I think? Just from reading the new rule and how it's written, I could tell someone where I pirate my movies from but giving them a link would be a nono.

But my interpretation probably violates the spirit of the rule and puts y'all in a sticky situation.

 

[coldpyr0]

So no DIRECT links.

But if I just mention what site I used to get something that's fine? I think? Just from reading the new rule and how it's written, I could tell someone where I pirate my movies from but giving them a link would be a nono.

But my interpretation probably violates the spirit of the rule and puts y'all in a sticky situation.

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Discussing piracy is not the same as hosting links to piracy.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

Think mangadex is fine. It's a mangareader. They never allow you to download. Unless things changed the last year I've been there. They also tend to remove copyright quickly and link to official sites.

Most of the stuff still there don't have licenses anymore from what I remember.

But I haven't been on it in a really long ass time so I don't know anymore. >.>

 

[mattman324]

damn, i'll be out of a job then.

Is nhentai blocked?

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It should be, reasonably speaking.

 

[doll]

What's the status of a site like dynasty scans - manga reader, proactively respects licenses as well as taking down stuff on request like the boorus do, but has a chapter download button? I've been assuming it's meant to be banned but it seems to have dodged the filter so now I'm not sure.

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manually edited out link

 

[CriticalFailure]

Just stop linking to sites. Say the title of the work, the "number" code, the name of the site.

But do not directly link. That should not be so fucking hard.

 

[mizerie]

I don't see why people are still trying to circumvent the rule when its directly stated that direct links to illegally hosted copyright content is not allowed. Either people got used to consuming content on pirate sites and think its normal or they just want to keep their own habits and not change it.

 

[CriticalFailure]

I don't see why people are still trying to circumvent the rule when its directly stated that direct links to illegally hosted copyright content is not allowed. Either people got used to consuming content on pirate sites and think its normal or they just want to keep their own habits and not change it.

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I suspect sheer laziness.

They dislike any change to easy habits, no matter how reasonable.

 

[D'znn-Xy'lll MetaChthonia]

As per Rule 8 Point 3: If this in your Opinion in any capacity, shape, and/or form Violates Rule 5, 8, or 9 then inform me so I may Delete the Post. I guarantee you if any Slurs are present it's because of my ignorance of them and I have had trouble determining what's "On Topic". Check Signature for further elaboration. Assistance is appreciated.

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Thank fucking ROB. Was wondering if there was a list given I can never tell where actually counts. My HF Image Dumps usually are for the actual Artists' Accounts rather then Commissioner Uploads specifically in hopes someone with actual money gets Interested enough to throw theirs at them. I Know only from osmosis that Mangadex gets you bitchslapped from seeing someone getting Infracted once... By Mega specifically I think? I can't remember, just one of the higher up Mods told off someone for a Rule 3 Violation for Linking Mangadex and someone else mentioning it counts as a piracy Site. If it wasn't specifically mentioned in the Rule I would have never guessed EH counted though especially given some of the things on there are Uploaded by the Authors.

Bht with this I can actually see what's on the informal list and account for that (by giving Doujin/Work Names and the Author/Artist Name like I have been doing). Still not sure if Reddit counts, some are the OG Artists but most are Users doing the same thing as me with their own Mods forcing abiding by a slightly more strict version of Rule 3 (for Reference: it's uncomfortably loose for me on here with the Plagiarism Rule so "slightly more strict" is more a complement in my case. The Wording usually insinuates negativity of the Subject).

 

[Dur'id the Druid]

Ugh, you reminded me about magnaread becoming a cesspit of adware and virus attacks. I lost a lot of stories i was following.

Does Japan have a bad problem with such things now than other countries?

 

[Lunahaile]

So no DIRECT links.

But if I just mention what site I used to get something that's fine? I think? Just from reading the new rule and how it's written, I could tell someone where I pirate my movies from but giving them a link would be a nono.

But my interpretation probably violates the spirit of the rule and puts y'all in a sticky situation.

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Example- If I want to show you Stellar Blade, I can say "You can get it on steam" and I can also link the Steam version. I can also tell you that you can probs find it on a torrent/piracy site.

If I, however, link said torrent/piracy site, that's no good.

At least that's my understanding, and that's basically the rule that we've had for a long time.

 

[Have a Little Feith]

Out of curiosity, do repositories of android ported games count? I ask because I have a literal folder of Android hentai games from ported games like RPGMaker ones. Not all of those games get an official port, and I think I have some of my officially purchased DLSite APK files in there, too. Edit: I should mention, for the DLSite downloads, quite a few of them require you to have purchased the game on DLSite to play them. I just have them there, because it's easier for me to find them in a folder I made on Mega.