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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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Alan975 said:
...Have you no honor?
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I find honor to be so restricting. Doing whatever is much more fun.

Alan975 said:
A vote was won, The Lady shall be courted
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A vote that needs to keep winning.

Alan975 said:
Don't just shove your hand down my throat and take back that treat
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How can I take a treat from your throat that you only have glimpsed?

You don't even have the table set yet, much less the meal itself.
 
Pittauro said:
... @OurLadyOfWires actually I forgot, what does Rarity's realization do? I remember it had something to do with colors, sensing when they don't suit someone? Does it help her in the career rolls?
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Mechanically, nothing. Don`t have the bandwidth to create individualized realizations and sacraments. Narratively, you two suspect she can see either the [color] of what ponies "want", or that would "fit them best".

spiderhellian said:
@OurLadyOfWires I think there's considerable confusion because we get a Moods vote each turn. Will we have the same options next turn? Will they be a different choice, as she explores different moods? Are you able to offer any clarity?
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You will have the options that you have at the turn. The only thing I promise is that at least one option will always be free.



These seem to be all the questions. Let me check the tally real quick.

EDIT:

Adhoc vote count started by OurLadyOfWires on May 3, 2025 at 2:05 AM, finished with 45 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Cannibalism is Cringe
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[x] (Commissioner) Get your Hoofs Dirty
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[x] [CHERENKOLT] Someting else? (Go over Rarity's Contract with the Needles, see what can be improved.)
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[x] Go searching for expeditions.
    -[x] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry x 2
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 6 Forge Reagent to acquire
    -[x] Edge AotL x 2
    -[x] Cover your Bases x 2
    [X] Plan: Devouring the Sky
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[X] (Commissioner) Introduce Lore: Forge
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[X] (Selene) Dreamwalking: Spy on Windy Flakes
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[X] Assault an Opponent: Velvet Hill
    -[X] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[X] At Jade's old house
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Perform the Attention of the Laws (Edge) (x2)
    -[X] Cover your bases (-2 Follower AP, +1 Velvet AP)
    [X] Plan: Graven Commissioner and Commander
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[x] (Commissioner) Get your Hoofs Dirty
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[X] (Selene) Dreamwalking: Spy on Windy Flakes
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[X] (Summon) Summon a Torn Risen
    -[X] Assault an Opponent: Velvet Hill
    -[X] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[X] At Jade's old house
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Perform the Attention of the Laws (Edge) (x2)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] Cover your bases (-2 Follower AP, +1 Velvet AP)
    [X] Plan: Velvet of All Lores, Introduction
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[X] Detectives - Dodge City
    -[X] Constables - Tall Tale Proto-Hive
    -[X] Commissioner - Introduce Lore: Forge, SH
    -[X] Free Lore Introduction - Lantern
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] Grail Influence
    -[X] [BIEDDE] Edge Influence.
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] Lantern Influence
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] [SELENE] Spy on Windy
    -[X] RotT for Lv. 7 book.At Jade's old house
    -[X] RotT for Forge 6 reagent. At Jade's old house
    -[X] Get body. If successful Risen and Edge AotL
    -[X] Cover your bases (-5 Follower AP, +2 Velvet AP )
    [X] Plan: Prisoner Chomping
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[X] (Commissioner) Introduce Lore: Forge
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[x] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry x 2
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[X] Target: Easiest Forge 6 reagent to acquire
    --[X] At Jade's old house
    -[X] Acquire a prisoner, preferably not an innocent civilian
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Perform the Attention of the Laws (Edge) (x2)
    -[X] Cover your bases (-2 Follower AP, +1 Velvet AP)
    [X] Plan: Waste Not Want Not
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[x] (Commissioner) Get your Hoofs Dirty
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[X] Forge Lesson (Cherenkolt)
    -[X] Spy on Windy's Dreams (Selene)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] Look for Medium difficulty Expeditions
    -[X] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    -[X] Edge AotL
    -[X] Cover your Bases (1)
    [X] Plan Prep for Moth and Grail Sacraments while finally getting our SH Sacrament
    -[X] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
    -[X] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
    -[X] [COMMISSIONER] Spend time with Cadence
    -[X] [DIRECTOR] Lantern
    -[X] [RARITY] Focus on her work. (Guarantees she will "succeed" on her career roll)
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich
    -[X] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson x 2
    -[X] [CHERENKOLT] Ask for a Forge lesson
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] [SELENE] Get the Silver Key from Axe (Knock Sacrament)
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] SH Sacrament
    -[X] Leash Filithy Rich
    -[X] One extra Velvet action! (Costs 2 follower actions)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] You might need a place to… "store" your enemies. Alive. Dig a small prison under her house.
    -[X] You would like for somepony to search for books…
    --[X] In Ponyville, and its… great assortments of libraries? (HEART, FORGE)
    -[X] Aotl lantern x 2
    [X] Plan Prep for Moth and Grail Sacraments while finally getting our SH Sacrament and Edge Sacrament
    -[X] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
    -[X] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
    -[X] [COMMISSIONER] Spend time with Cadence
    -[X] [DIRECTOR] Lantern
    -[X] [RARITY] Focus on her work. (Guarantees she will "succeed" on her career roll)
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich
    -[X] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson x 2
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] [SELENE] Get the Silver Key from Axe (Knock Sacrament)
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] SH Sacrament
    -[X] [BIEDDE] Edge Influence.
    -[X] Leash Filithy Rich
    -[X] One extra Velvet action! (Costs 2 follower actions)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] You might need a place to… "store" your enemies. Alive. Dig a small prison under her house.
    -[X] Aotl lantern x 2
    -[X] Aotl edge
    [X] Plan: Velvet of All Lores
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[X] Detectives - Dodge City
    -[X] Constables - Tall Tale Proto-Hive
    -[X] Commissioner - Get our hooves dirty
    -[X] Free Lore Introduction - Lantern
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] Grail Influence
    -[X] [BIEDDE] Edge Influence.
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] Lantern Influence
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] Assault Opponent: Velvet Hill
    -[X] RotT for Easiest Level 7 book to acquire. At Jade's old house
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Get body. If successful Risen and Edge AotL
    -[X] Cover your bases (-5 Follower AP, +2 Velvet AP )
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Interesting. I'm not doing a close analysis to see if anything is illegal with any plan right now. But I see a few good consensus here and there. Everyone seems to be happy with the influences, and with the Spoiled Rich decision (even if you won't commit to eating her in the future) and so on.

The only thing that comes to mind is @Talon Tiger Dino you have a plan where Cherenkolt talks to the Needles, but he is currently set to SH. And Recalibrating is meant to happen at this stage, if that's what you want. Is SH Cherenkolt what you really have in mind for this plan? No problem if it is, just checking.
 
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Rafuki22 said:
Killing is killing, eating is eating, trying to use Velvet father or a criminal as dinner is just someone that you use to pat yourself in the back saying "I'm not as bad as i could have been".
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Given the existence of Alukites, even the Mansus disagrees with you on this one. There are absolutely degrees to how terrible reality considers things here.

OurLadyOfWires said:
Mechanically, nothing. Don`t have the bandwidth to create individualized realizations and sacraments. Narratively, you two suspect she can see either the [color] of what ponies "want", or that would "fit them best".


You will have the options that you have at the turn. The only thing I promise is that at least one option will always be free.



These seem to be all the questions. Let me check the tally real quick.

EDIT:

Adhoc vote count started by OurLadyOfWires on May 3, 2025 at 2:05 AM, finished with 45 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Cannibalism is Cringe
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[x] (Commissioner) Get your Hoofs Dirty
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[x] [CHERENKOLT] Someting else? (Go over Rarity's Contract with the Needles, see what can be improved.)
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[x] Go searching for expeditions.
    -[x] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry x 2
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 6 Forge Reagent to acquire
    -[x] Edge AotL x 2
    -[x] Cover your Bases x 2
    [X] Plan: Devouring the Sky
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[X] (Commissioner) Introduce Lore: Forge
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[X] (Selene) Dreamwalking: Spy on Windy Flakes
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[X] Assault an Opponent: Velvet Hill
    -[X] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[X] At Jade's old house
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Perform the Attention of the Laws (Edge) (x2)
    -[X] Cover your bases (-2 Follower AP, +1 Velvet AP)
    [X] Plan: Graven Commissioner and Commander
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[x] (Commissioner) Get your Hoofs Dirty
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[X] (Selene) Dreamwalking: Spy on Windy Flakes
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[X] (Summon) Summon a Torn Risen
    -[X] Assault an Opponent: Velvet Hill
    -[X] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[X] At Jade's old house
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Perform the Attention of the Laws (Edge) (x2)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] Cover your bases (-2 Follower AP, +1 Velvet AP)
    [X] Plan: Velvet of All Lores, Introduction
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[X] Detectives - Dodge City
    -[X] Constables - Tall Tale Proto-Hive
    -[X] Commissioner - Introduce Lore: Forge, SH
    -[X] Free Lore Introduction - Lantern
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] Grail Influence
    -[X] [BIEDDE] Edge Influence.
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] Lantern Influence
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] [SELENE] Spy on Windy
    -[X] RotT for Lv. 7 book.At Jade's old house
    -[X] RotT for Forge 6 reagent. At Jade's old house
    -[X] Get body. If successful Risen and Edge AotL
    -[X] Cover your bases (-5 Follower AP, +2 Velvet AP )
    [X] Plan: Prisoner Chomping
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[X] (Commissioner) Introduce Lore: Forge
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[x] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry x 2
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    --[X] Target: Easiest Forge 6 reagent to acquire
    --[X] At Jade's old house
    -[X] Acquire a prisoner, preferably not an innocent civilian
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Perform the Attention of the Laws (Edge) (x2)
    -[X] Cover your bases (-2 Follower AP, +1 Velvet AP)
    [X] Plan: Waste Not Want Not
    -[x] (Detectives) Follow Up: Dodge City
    -[x] (Constables) Follow Up: Tall Tale
    -[x] (Commissioner) Get your Hoofs Dirty
    -[x] (Director) Lantern
    -[x] (Mareinette) Honored Guest: Spoiled Rich & Filthy Rich
    -[x] (Biedde) Channel an Edge Influence
    -[x] (Baldomare) Channel a Lantern Influence
    -[x] (Selene) Soothe the night
    -[x] (Rarity) Focus on her work
    -[X] Forge Lesson (Cherenkolt)
    -[X] Spy on Windy's Dreams (Selene)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] Look for Medium difficulty Expeditions
    -[X] Perform the Reflection of the Tapestry
    --[x] Target: Easiest Level 7 book to acquire
    -[X] Edge AotL
    -[X] Cover your Bases (1)
    [X] Plan Prep for Moth and Grail Sacraments while finally getting our SH Sacrament
    -[X] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
    -[X] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
    -[X] [COMMISSIONER] Spend time with Cadence
    -[X] [DIRECTOR] Lantern
    -[X] [RARITY] Focus on her work. (Guarantees she will "succeed" on her career roll)
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich
    -[X] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson x 2
    -[X] [CHERENKOLT] Ask for a Forge lesson
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] [SELENE] Get the Silver Key from Axe (Knock Sacrament)
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] SH Sacrament
    -[X] Leash Filithy Rich
    -[X] One extra Velvet action! (Costs 2 follower actions)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] You might need a place to… "store" your enemies. Alive. Dig a small prison under her house.
    -[X] You would like for somepony to search for books…
    --[X] In Ponyville, and its… great assortments of libraries? (HEART, FORGE)
    -[X] Aotl lantern x 2
    [X] Plan Prep for Moth and Grail Sacraments while finally getting our SH Sacrament and Edge Sacrament
    -[X] [DETECTIVES] (FOLLOW UP) They have confirmed the presence of changelings in Dodge City. Have them take a closer look, and focus their efforts there. (May not be picked with "Siege Dodge City")
    -[X] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Everypony heard what happened to your previous prisoner. Nopony wants to sit around and wait for what happens next. Time to raid the mountain of Tall Tale.
    -[X] [COMMISSIONER] Spend time with Cadence
    -[X] [DIRECTOR] Lantern
    -[X] [RARITY] Focus on her work. (Guarantees she will "succeed" on her career roll)
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] You need her to talk to Spoiled Rich
    -[X] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson x 2
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] [SELENE] Get the Silver Key from Axe (Knock Sacrament)
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] SH Sacrament
    -[X] [BIEDDE] Edge Influence.
    -[X] Leash Filithy Rich
    -[X] One extra Velvet action! (Costs 2 follower actions)
    -[x] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
    -[X] You might need a place to… "store" your enemies. Alive. Dig a small prison under her house.
    -[X] Aotl lantern x 2
    -[X] Aotl edge
    [X] Plan: Velvet of All Lores
    -[x] (Free) Sell Edge 3 artifact
    -[X] Detectives - Dodge City
    -[X] Constables - Tall Tale Proto-Hive
    -[X] Commissioner - Get our hooves dirty
    -[X] Free Lore Introduction - Lantern
    -[X] [MAREINETTE] Grail Influence
    -[X] [BIEDDE] Edge Influence.
    -[X] [BALDOMARE] Lantern Influence
    -[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night.
    -[X] Assault Opponent: Velvet Hill
    -[X] RotT for Easiest Level 7 book to acquire. At Jade's old house
    -[X] Build a prison
    -[X] Get body. If successful Risen and Edge AotL
    -[X] Cover your bases (-5 Follower AP, +2 Velvet AP )
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Interesting. I'm not doing a close analysis to see if anything is illegal with any plan right now. But I see a few good consensus here and there. Everyone seems to be happy with the influences, and with the Spoiled Rich decision (even if you won't commit to eating her in the future) and so on.

The only thing that comes to mind is @Talon Tiger Dino you have a plan where Cherenkolt talks to the Needles, but he is currently set to SH. And Recalibrating is meant to happen at this stage, if that's what you want. Is SH Cherenkolt what you really have in mind for this plan? No problem if it is, just checking.
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You misunderstand, Cherenkolt is looking over the papers, not doing the talking. Think of him like a financial assistant who tells the more persuasive person what needs to change for maximum returns. His Stewardship has got to be higher than anyone else's here. I mean if he can recalibrate for free into Grail secondary I'll be all for sending him to the Needles solo, more efficient that way.

Edit: So he can Recalibrate as a Free Action, I will definitely set him to Grail and let him become Rarity's tiniest financial advisor.

Edit: I HAVE REWOVEN THE FABRIC OF HISTORY, CANNIBALISM IS CRINGE HAS ALWAYS HAD A VERY SMALL AND PRECIOUS ACCOUNTANT COLT
 
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DelightedOne said:
I find honor to be so restricting. Doing whatever is much more fun.

A vote that needs to keep winning.

How can I take a treat from your throat that you only have glimpsed?

You don't even have the table set yet, much less the meal itself.
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Darling. Sweetie. Honey... I think you and I are thinking of very, very different Honors.

This isn't the honor of a noble opening the door, or pulling out a chair, or saying and keeping your word..
This is the honor of a children's tea party and their parents.



We can play house all we like. Take our parents to the table with too-small-chairs and fancy pretty plastic teacups and saucers. We can dance and say pretty magic words and spread gossip that would make the teddies blush. Talk of beautiful fairy tale lakes and castles while we play pretend with the very patient, very gentle, and very hungry parent in this metaphor.
And when they say that we can still play, but we need to clean up for dinner then... well...

We can have the fun, like you may like.
But if we grin and smile on up to them, saying we'll get ready! And they don't see us cleaning up our faces. Don't see us putting away the teacups and pretty little toys. When they don't see us bringing out the real plates or the real knives. When, even though the generous parent was happy to play pretend at your dinner table... that you won't help in what way you can with a real meal...

What is a parent to do?


Our Lady was a Mother too, once.
She knows how to treat an unruly child. One who doesn't want to eat, and just wants to play and have fun, like you suggest.
 
OurLadyOfWires said:
I still gotta catch up to the thread as a whole, but not a problem to answer this since I'm passing by and happened upon it.

Now that we finally did DoA's Sacrament, it is no longer a secret that accepting a Sacrament, on some occasions, will incidentally result in a Name being befriended. So, given all the hints we had about Mareinette so far, I realize there has been some discussion about parallels in that direction.

Regardless, to answer your question. "She will hold you to that" means that if you decide to communicate that you ARE interested in a continuing your relationship with her, then she will believe you like the good guest she is. But also that her patience will drain more quickly if you give her that signal and fail to act upon it.
The decrease of her patience can happen in several different ways. I don't need to comment on that because I can be inventive, she is a Name, and you all have your own imaginations.

I hope that answers your question? Please let me know if you would like me to elaborate more.



Also, I don't know if this adds to the answer or if you would consider this unrelated. But the fact remains Mareinette is the Name of Grail (and Heart) for this quest. So, she knows quite a bit about desire, and she is not a fool herself.

That being said, I'll remind you all that there is a difference between "playing hard to get" while enjoying the dance of courtship and acceptance, and "stringing someone along" without any intention of ever following through.

That, I think, is one of the factors Mareinette has her eyes on.



Anyways, gotta skaddle. See you all later.
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OurLadyOfWires said:
The Mareinette options are not a way to "reward" her. In fact, some of you could even interpret it as "giving her more errands to run" and that SHE is the one who is graciously doing it without using any of her AP.

The narrative is that she will get the blackmail material, and accept your order of "go nuts". The mechanic is that, as Spiderhellian said, she will try to extract value out of them in another way that is not listed in the options.

Is this a show of trust from you? Yes. But not the "progressing friendship bar" kind of trust.

You already know how to tie the knot.
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You already know how to tie the knot.
 
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Well there's also the fact (that I forgot earlier) that it needs a Forge 1 reagent to operate, which we neither have nor can make this turn unless you're willing to give up Velvet AP, since we already used up our free reagent creation.
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But we have not run out production capacity yet. We can produce reagents up to the sum total that is our Lore level which is for Forge is 4. Meaning producing Forge 2, Forge 1, Lantern 1 should be possible.

Guess I'll just ask. @OurLadyOfWires Lapdog speeds up manuscript production, "Institutional Knowledge" is level 1 Manuscript. Can Lapdog be used to make two such manual a turn as long as we spend action on it?
And we made Forge 2 reagent for this turn, but can we still produce Lantern 2 reagent or Forge 1, Lantern 1 as the same action? As we are able to produce free reagent up to total lvl 4 in sum I mean.
 
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Nevermort said:
But we have not run out production capacity yet. We can produce reagents up to the sum total that is our Lore level which is for Forge is 4. Meaning producing Forge 2, Forge 1, Lantern 1 should be possible.

Guess I'll just ask. @OurLadyOfWires Lapdog speeds up manuscript production, Instruction manual is level 1 Manuscript. Can Lapdog be used to make two nstruction manual a turn as long as we spend action on it?
And we made Forge 2 reagent for this turn, but can we still produce Lantern 2 reagent or Forge 1, Lantern 1 as the same action? As we are able to produce free reagent up to total lvl 4 in sum I mean.
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We can only make one reagent with our free reagent making action or two reagents with a Velvet AP. When it talks about total forge level it means making a single "Forge 1/Lantern 1" reagent like the Wolf Fur was Edge/Winter. We can't split it further into multiple low level reagents in one action. Our reagent action for the turn is already gone.
 
Eh, I'll put my vote on spying on Windy, since that's what I've been espousing this entire time. Though getting our hooves dirty would make it easier to slip the Forge's Redemption in there, introducing Forge lore also works, albeit a bit slower.

[X] Plan: Devouring the Sky
 
@OurLadyOfWires Does going to Tall Tale personally at least have a chance of affecting whether or not we get to keep the loot from it for ourselves?
 
Talon Tiger Dino said:
[X] Plan: Cannibalism is Cringe
-[x] [CHERENKOLT] (Free) Recalibrate to Grail
-[x] [CHERENKOLT] Something else? (Go over Rarity's Contract with the Needles, see what can be improved.)
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Does this action involves meeting with Needles or just looking through contract documents? If it is later Lantern seems like a more fitting Lore.
 
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@Greymere Is there any reason that you're not taking the free Risen in your plans?
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Not particularly, it just wasn't in there when I posted it. I can go add it in ig.

@OurLadyOfWires since I added in "obtain a dead body" to my plans they're technically over-budget by 1 Follower AP, but would it still be fine since it essentially just 'locks' either our free Risen raising (if it succeeds) or using the Leash on Filthy Rich/Cheerilee (if it fails) in the Velvet Phase?

Edit: Also I just want to point something out regarding my plan extra-introducing Forge. No one's asked about it, but I did want to mention that I did have a reason for picking Forge.

We currently have Edge active (1/9). The speculated point where the Bureau can start being involved in ritual stuff seems to be around the 5/9 mark. Lantern + Forge this turn (3/9), then Grail + Secret Histories next turn (5/9) perfectly sets up the Bureau to be able to perform the most relevant rituals (FR for Shining's Horn, RotT for general investigation) just as the Bureau having some amount of ritual infrastructure happens.
 
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No love for Knock? Because I would have considered Lantern/Knock/Edge to be a lot more relevant than Forge, seeing as we're not going to reach the point where the Bureau can be casting FRs unsupervised by us personally for a while. And we already have Edge done. I thought the Forge was in hope of getting a ritual circle ready.

Especially cause our Knock library level will be level 3 once we read the Knock 5 book the second we have the level 7 book secured and no longer need the safety blanket. Grail is pretty far away from level 3 and can't hit it even if we spent an AP and a forge 1 reagent on manuscripts. Level 3 library was the Cult Infrastructure breakpoint for the wildhoof club.
 
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No love for Knock? Because I would have considered Lantern/Knock/Edge to be a lot more relevant than Forge, seeing as we're not going to reach the point where the Bureau can be casting FRs unsupervised by us personally for a while. And we already have Edge done. I thought the Forge was in hope of getting a ritual circle ready.

Especially cause our Knock library level will be level 3 once we read the Knock 5 book the second we have the level 7 book secured and no longer need the safety blanket. Grail is pretty far away from level 3 and can't hit it even if we spent an AP and a forge 1 reagent on manuscripts. Level 3 library was the Cult Infrastructure breakpoint for the wildhoof club.
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If they're not going to be in a position to be casting FR unsupervised, they're especially not going to be in a position to be casting summoning rituals unsupervised. Two circle rituals just require a lot less support from us in general, particularly as our faction and the Bureau start more closely integrating and we gather up more artifacts, and FR and RotT are the most likely to have use cases within the Bureau.

Edit: Also, reading the Knock 5 book alone wouldn't get the Secret Library to Level 3. We'd also have to read the Knock 2 book, which presumably isn't really a big issue if we're already doing a reading action for the Knock book at some point, but you also didn't mention it in your post so I thought I'd point it out. And that only works once DoA's Name boost starts applying to the Bureau, while we can get Forge to Level 3 just on manuscripts alone w/ one writing action w/ the lapdog (so technically possible, if not particularly plausible, by next turn).
 
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Going after Velvet Hill is a terrible idea. He's a prominent figure and we run a Bureau that investigates incidents like this. Even with loyalty it's still a lot of heat for no real reason. We also live with our brother who will more than likely hound us about it. We can literally just kidnap some random criminal or Mareinette could find a volunteer, she seems to be running her own cult. We're over complicating things.
 
[X] Plan: Let's Not Kidnap a Prominent Figure From Canterlot
 
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Solace2117 said:
Going after Velvet Hill is a terrible idea. He's a prominent figure and we run a Bureau that investigates incidents like this. Even with loyalty it's still a lot of heat for no real reason. We also live with our brother who will more than likely hound us about it. We can literally just kidnap some random criminal or Mareinette could find a volunteer, she seems to be running her own cult. We're over complicating things.
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Any investigation will either fail to see anything or will conclude that kidnapping was done by beings possessing abilities beyond ponykind. In which case as our top investigators shown first suspects are always changelings. And it makes sense as Velvet own home is now protected by guards, so next close kin is natural target.
 
[X] Plan: Cannibalism is Cringe
[X] Plan: Velvet of All Lores, Introduction
[X] Plan: Prisoner Chomping
[X] Plan: Let's Not Kidnap a Prominent Figure From Canterlot
 
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Any investigation will either fail to see anything or will conclude that kidnapping was done by beings possessing abilities beyond ponykind. In which case as our top investigators shown first suspects are always changelings. And it makes sense as Velvet own home is now protected by guards, so next close kin is natural target.
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It's unnecessary and overly complicated. It adds potential extra hassle when Glory is right there. Even if she's not a suspect it's just added things to deal with when there are more important issues.
 
Solace2117 said:
Going after Velvet Hill is a terrible idea. He's a prominent figure and we run a Bureau that investigates incidents like this. Even with loyalty it's still a lot of heat for no real reason. We also live with our brother who will more than likely hound us about it. We can literally just kidnap some random criminal or Mareinette could find a volunteer, she seems to be running her own cult. We're over complicating things.
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Understood, agreed, and respectfully, disregarded.

Velvet has made it clear that for what she can, she doesn't want to hurt innocents. And, when she does, she feels guilty as hell about it. We understand that the Grail Sacrament will kill someone. So, it has to be someone that Velvet wouldn't feel as guilty about. Or at least, someone she feel deserves it.
Our Lady of Wires is also... sharp. A Sacrament will be done all the same, regardless of who the target is. But, in theory, depending on the target, she may or may not see Velvet as being more serious about it. And as far as "being serious about it" goes for targets, the most serious Velvet can be that she is still willing to go along with, is Velvet Hills.

This is a risk. This is a complication. This is a danger that could come up and bite us.
But this is also the Right way to do the Wrong Thing. At least in my eyes.
 
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