Exalted 3E Discussion

The problem is the whole, "retroactively, I was totes a doombot this entire time." Emphasis on retroactively.
Considering how big a deal is made of things having consequences, including mechanically by making time-travel and resurrection impossible, giving a players a way to dodge the consequences of any stupid situation they land themselves into doesn't really fit in.

If it required the player setting up the body double ahead of time, that would be much better.

 

For a get out of death/consequences free card, something that's not supposed to exist in the verse, at all.

This is before you get into the matter that for the doombot to perfectly impersonate the Solar it has to be capable of everything the Solar is, effectively being an artificial Exalt. That's also meant to be impossible in universe.

 

Creating Exigents explicitly require active cooperation from Ignis Divine. He gets a pass on 'impossible'.

 

Exigents aren't Solars, but yes I should have said that making artificial Solars is meant to be impossible in verse.

Also, from what I remember the god creating an Exigence permanently lessens himself in the process.

 

Avoidance Kata says hi.

 

Only works at the beginning of a Battle or Debate, not at the end.
Doesn't remove consequences from the Sidereal, so if they got their arms ripped of they're still missing their arms.

 

Avoidance Kata was an illusion effect that could only be activated within two rounds of joining a fight and it did't retroactively change anything. It just moved you out of the way and tweaked people's memories. You still had any injuries you picked up, you still lost any motes/willpower/ammo that you had spent and most importantly: It didn't automatically activate no matter what when you died.

And besides, There are plenty of ways to block an illusion effect.

 

Do we need a Charm to make doors now, too?

Exalted isn't Fate. Charms are actual things.

I'd have no issue with a Solar making the Six Paths of Pain, but Retroactively not being there is too much.

And there's the reason that I'm just importing the rules. Stupid idea that lessens the significance of every last Exalt by making super god-blooded says what?

Teleporting and unnatural mental influence in the hands of the Chosen of Fate.

 

Then it should be a stunt. Charms are reliable magical techniques, ways for a magical being to spend motes to affect the world.

 

When has your ST ever allowed you to stunt a doombot into existence?

 

No it doesn't. Or at least not more so than any other charm in the game. The only part that requires Storyteller approval is where your Solar is after the charm is activated.

 

Note the wording, the Solarbot is already retroactivly made inserted and destroyed and then you decide where the real Solar is. It's only the last part of the charm after everything else is done that the Storyteller has input.

 

Never, because I run Exalted. I'm the usual Storyteller and DM for my group. If I were to play, I'd play non-crafters. There's a lot I'd prefer to spend EXP on: Sorcery, Infernal Charms, Martial Arts.

That aside, if my players have the ability to create replicas or the like, then I'll let them stunt things like this if it's possible. So long as the replica hasn't pulled out Solar Circle Sorcery or High Essence Charms. it's fine.

If they've got the skills and the resources, I'd allow the Six Paths. If they've got skilled retainers, I'd allow a disguised Bodyguard.

It's a stunt.

 

As far as I know the only thing that can learn Solar Charms is a Solar. The half castes were purged from canon long ago, and even Eclipsoids can't steal Solar Charms anymore.

Considering I can just keep making more that's not much of a limitation.

 

I may be a little bitter about some of the changes. Exalted was the first system I ran, and it remains one of my favourite settings.

The Devs seem to be spitting on some of the things that make it what it is, to me. As for what they're doing to the rules, it'd best run smoother than D&D 5th, or I shall be most furious.

(I hear there's a Charm that lets you jump up and kick someone off a horse now? It'd best be a perfect or something similar, 'cause that's absolutely a stunt.)

Also, I liked Mirror Charms. I liked Infernal Yozi Charms. And I think taking away the Infernal Charm Style and then giving it to the Abyssals is fucking stupid.

 

It couldn't possibly be worse than 2e. They cut attack resolution down from ten steps to four. That by itself makes up for everything else I might dislike about it.

 

Given that two legendary artifacts can be stuff like "Cannot kill me unless you destroy the One Ring"

 

Wait, that's...
People can just make shit like that now?!
What happened to needing rare materials? Can Solars just make Daiklaves in caves now? Ka!

 

No, materials are still needed to make the attempt.

 

Well thank the Sun.

Haven't actually found the leaked document yet. I'm just going on stuff I've heard from those who have and the Devs.

Aside from that, ten years is nothing if the result is something like the One Ring.

 

I've always held that at some point, a long-running Exalted game needs a timeskip. Those decades are when the Dawn General forges an Invincible Army of Shininess, and the Night Spymaster creates a network of contacts spanning the world while stealing Kejack's inbox. They're part of the Ruling period, when the circle hold a kingdom.

Huh. I'm not sure that I like the Crafting System being even more complicated.

I suppose I should probably wait until I can run a Game using it, huh.