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Penalty for not disclosing ai work

Oh my fucking god, why are so many people losing there minds over this? We've had this conversation a dozen times already and they never learn. AI generated fiction is not breaking the rules, it not even illegal and yet people insist on treating it like it is.

You don't need to like it, you don't need to support it, but you do need to stop restarting an arguement that has been made and answered many times. On the face of it policing AI-generated/edited works are impossible because it cannot be verified to be AI. AI has been around enough that even wholly original and human made works look like 'AI' because they learned to write after it became widespread and mimicked the popular style that many AI's used.

The mods really need to make a sticky banner in the S&B forum so these threads and arguements are constantly being repeated.

I don't even like AI, but this whole whiny 'AI BAD' with arguements that have already been made and answered is getting on my nerves.
 
Avernus said:
It's very much a problem for QQ, and for those actual writers. Your argument presumes that people won't just read less because they assume it's all slop, which is what anecdotally at least seems to be happening. It also assumes that the actual writers won't just be driven away from writing because there's no point when anything they do will be buried under the slop. Those people with writing as their only source of income had better look for a new one, because it's going away.
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Obviously, I am one person and my work doesn't speak for everyone, but the advent of Ai has actually made it so clients are less likely to trust new authors but more likely to trust older authors they already know. Talking to my clients, several have admitted that they now prioritise me over anyone else because they know and trust I don't use AI.

So in a sense, the advent of Ai is creating a two tier system. If you're already in, you're getting people rallying around you but if you're not, it's becoming harder to earn trust with clients. The tldr on this one is that I am not so sure if it's quite as simple as the income simply going away. It's a lot more complicated than just that and it depends on what specifically you do and how you network.
 
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... You keep using the word "abortion". That word does not mean what you think it means, it's emotive rather than reasonable. No argument can come to a conclusion without reason.
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Sure, it is 'emotional'.

But, here's my retort:

It is a mangled corpse even when edited.

It is lacking in character as it is dead.

It shows no personality whatsoever, as it is dead.

It shows no care from the 'parent' to delegate to a virtual monkey with keyboard to string words along.

The only recognition they earn is by their lack of vitality.

Need I go on?
 
FTR2017 said:
Sure, it is 'emotional'.

But, here's my retort:

It is a mangled corpse even when edited.

It is lacking in character as it is dead.

It shows no personality whatsoever, as it is dead.

It shows no care from the 'parent' to delegate to a virtual monkey with keyboard to string words along.

The only recognition they earn is by their lack of vitality.

Need I go on?
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This feels like it was written by ai tbh
 
Valthorix said:
This feels like it was written by ai tbh
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Doesn't that make a good point for the thread as a whole, though? This was clearly and obviously not written by Ai, but if it still seems like it is to you, that's a false positive. The exact kind of thing a lot of us are worried about.
 
BronzePlaceWriter said:
Doesn't that make a good point for the thread as a whole, though? This was clearly and obviously not written by Ai, but if it still seems like it is to you, that's a false positive. The exact kind of thing a lot of us are worried about.
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That's kinda why I made the post, beyond just wanting to annoy him. Everyone has their own definition of what AI writes like, and beyond a few common things like the em dash and 'its not x, it's y', there isn't really any way to tell definitively. Sure, gemini might write in a consistent way across various instances, but there isn't just one LLM out there. There's thousands. I personally have six installed on my computer, and they all write completely distinctly from one another. You simply can't say with certainty that something is written by an LLM because every single one of them has distinct training data that pulls from differing sources which produces different outputs.
 
Valthorix said:
That's kinda why I made the post, beyond just wanting to annoy him. Everyone has their own definition of what AI writes like, and beyond a few common things like the em dash and 'its not x, it's y', there isn't really any way to tell definitively. Sure, gemini might write in a consistent way across various instances, but there isn't just one LLM out there. There's thousands. I personally have six installed on my computer, and they all write completely distinctly from one another. You simply can't say with certainty that something is written by an LLM because every single one of them has distinct training data that pulls from differing sources which produces different outputs.
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And yet, the obvious signs that I mentioned you ignored.

Go ahead and enjoy your AI trash, I'll focus on human-sourced products.

If a human learns to write from AI? They deserve to be ignored, there's a reason why a foundation of readers is to read works from known and influential writers to learn from them first. As much as it is a hobby? It is also work, and knowing of culture and how people behave and react in order to write about them.

BronzePlaceWriter said:
Doesn't that make a good point for the thread as a whole, though? This was clearly and obviously not written by Ai, but if it still seems like it is to you, that's a false positive. The exact kind of thing a lot of us are worried about.
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The man's a troll, I doubt an AI can write what I did.
 
FTR2017 said:
And yet, the obvious signs that I mentioned you ignored.

Go ahead and enjoy your AI trash, I'll focus on human-sourced products.

If a human learns to write from AI? They deserve to be ignored, there's a reason why a foundation of readers is to read works from known and influential writers to learn from them first. As much as it is a hobby? It is also work, and knowing of culture and how people behave and react in order to write about them.
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Ok so you're just an anti-AI elitist then, glad to see you take the mask off.
 
People are understandably passionate about this topic, but bring the heat down a tad.

I don't think anyone has crossed the Rule 1 line yet, but a few posts are making me look twice, so let's work to prevent any further degeneration.
 
magic9mushroom said:
The reason there are witch-hunts is because there are a whole pile of witches fucking us all over.

Let's be clear here, people who claim their writing isn't AI when it is, and use that to get donations? Those people are literal fraudsters breaking the law.
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As opposed to all the people on here running patreons and such to make money off of fanfics for IP they don't own? Those people don't even have the fig leaf that they aren't doing their copyright violations for money to hide behind.
 
BronzePlaceWriter said:
Obviously, I am one person and my work doesn't speak for everyone, but the advent of Ai has actually made it so clients are less likely to trust new authors but more likely to trust older authors they already know. Talking to my clients, several have admitted that they now prioritise me over anyone else because they know and trust I don't use AI.

So in a sense, the advent of Ai is creating a two tier system. If you're already in, you're getting people rallying around you but if you're not, it's becoming harder to earn trust with clients. The tldr on this one is that I am not so sure if it's quite as simple as the income simply going away. It's a lot more complicated than just that and it depends on what specifically you do and how you network.
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Essentially, art is going the way of designer shoes and clothes. There would always be people who will pay a high price for premium human made art for novelty or status symbol but for most people they'll be fine consuming cheap mass-produced art.
 
Never ever a thread where "I, Lolilover88, declare that NaruSaku13, Elfucker2000, Zardoz11, AdultWomanEnjoyer_xxx, MetalFatiguefan are using AI to write their stories. They are lying at the readers... LYING!"
Never ever a Mod appearing on a white stallion known as Princess, "Thanks Lolilover88 with your words and evidences. And you, you, disgusting sloppers, I sentence you to a lifetime of horror on Monster Island."
 
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