What if there a physical/spiritual law that makes it impossible to create weapons more advanced than medieval ones.

[Nour uchiha]

Basically all technology still exist, with exception of weapons more advanced than the catapult, no guns, no rockets (offensive ones), and any time you tried to use some new technology for war, even in a roundabout way, the technology stops working before you can try, you can't even transport your army using planes or cars etc....

How would that effect history?, what would stay the same and what would change?

 

[Chaosfox13]

Considering that "no military applications at all" also covers communications, command structures would have to be much less remote. The people in charge of a front would have much greater response lag unles reasonably close, rather than just commanding from the homeland. Might slow down expansion, and reasserts a strong disadvantage to an invading force.

Castles might still be a thing, considering without the massive damage of cannons they'd still be viable.

 

[Nour uchiha]

Considering that "no military applications at all" also covers communications, command structures would have to be much less remote. The people in charge of a front would have much greater response lag unles reasonably close, rather than just commanding from the homeland. Might slow down expansion, and reasserts a strong disadvantage to an invading force.

Castles might still be a thing, considering without the massive damage of cannons they'd still be viable.

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Yep, adding to that, you can't use modern technology to build medieval weapons (the technology refuses to work) nor build the ancient tools to make weapons using new technology, armies would take a more defensive job, due to the rising world population and the long time it takes to make weapons.

Unless you are from a random tribe with no lands, diplomacy and respect (grudging or not) would be given to your country considering almost every civilization knows how to make weapons.

Africa might take Europe place as the most rich content even.

 

[LEGENDARYNOT]

I mean there have been found examples of primitive firearms int eh 12-13th century let alone cannons.
So it's not a complete overhaul. But I'm putting money on at least 1 coup starting from a renaissance fair

 

[Nour uchiha]

I mean there have been found examples of primitive firearms int eh 12-13th century let alone cannons.
So it's not a complete overhaul. But I'm putting money on at least 1 coup starting from a renaissance fair

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I did specify :

Basically all technology still exist, with exception of weapons more advanced than the catapult, no guns, no rockets (offensive ones), and any time you tried to use some new technology for war, even in a roundabout way, the technology stops working before you can try, you can't even transport your army using planes or cars etc....

How would that effect history?, what would stay the same and what would change?

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[ALandWithNoName]

wouldn't this be like naruto then? just ninjas killing each other while a family drives by in a miata on the way to the zoo?

 

[LEGENDARYNOT]

I did specify :

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My bad
Still stand on the renaissance thing though.
The amount of people ninja running to their deaths will certainly also have an increase

 

[FTR2017]

I bet lots more investigation towards magic/spirituality would be invested in, as a supernatural element would be confirmed as 'guiding' development of hard sciences.

Probably lead to consecrated or cursed weaponry to bash other people's faces in with.

 

[Nour uchiha]

I bet lots more investigation towards magic/spirituality would be invested in, as a supernatural element would be confirmed as 'guiding' development of hard sciences.

Probably lead to consecrated or cursed weaponry to bash other people's faces in with.

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Oh interesting, so countries like Egypt or Iraq could be the new world superpowers due to their rich history with magic, but would the guiding force let them do that though?

What do you think?

My bad
Still stand on the renaissance thing though.
The amount of people ninja running to their deaths will certainly also have an increase

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Where would the rebellion be?, Europe , America, Africa, Asia?

And ninja did exist even in our timeline, so i don't think they will change much here.

 

[FTR2017]

Oh interesting, so countries like Egypt or Iraq could be the new world superpowers due to their rich history with magic, but would the guiding force let them do that though?

What do you think?

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As I doubt whatever guiding forces gives that much of a damn for micromanagement, wouldn't shock me if it this world turned out similar to how western fantasy worlds based on Dungeons and Dragons would develop.

 

[Nour uchiha]

As I doubt whatever guiding forces gives that much of a damn for micromanagement, wouldn't shock me if it this world turned out similar to how western fantasy worlds based on Dungeons and Dragons would develop.

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So you think pagan gods worship might return like in D&D ,heralding the return of wizards, shamans, and clerics?

 

[FTR2017]

So you think pagan gods worship might return like in D&D ,heralding the return of wizards, shamans, and clerics?

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It'd depend on what this supernatural force enforcing this rule actually is.

And if it happened to a world without it previously, or if it was present from the beginning.

Each path lead to a different conclusion.

 

[Nour uchiha]

It'd depend on what this supernatural force enforcing this rule actually is.

And if it happened to a world without it previously, or if it was present from the beginning.

Each path lead to a different conclusion.

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The guiding force refuses to give any answers in what it is.

It was there from the beginning of history, it didn't make itself known before, cause there weren't advanced weapons, so it stopped their existence.

 

[FTR2017]

The guiding force refuses to give any answers in what it is.

It was there from the beginning of history, it didn't make itself known before, cause there weren't advanced weapons, so it stopped their existence.

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If it was present from the beginning and did nothing but that? If it could be accessed somewhat by power of faith, will, or intellect, magical arts could be developed in 'scientific' manners, religions would be about the same.

No clerics or paladins, as there'd be no divinities but this strange guiding force.

As it wouldn't answer any questions or prayers, then it wouldn't be considered a god, but simply a supernaturally imposed rule of nature.

Black powder and smokeless powder could be developed, but wouldn't work combined with a rifled tubing and a slug. So, explosives would be feasible. But not missiles or rockets.

I dunno what else you want, man.

 

[Nour uchiha]

If it was present from the beginning and did nothing but that? If it could be accessed somewhat by power of faith, will, or intellect, magical arts could be developed in 'scientific' manners, religions would be about the same.

No clerics or paladins, as there'd be no divinities but this strange guiding force.

As it wouldn't answer any questions or prayers, then it wouldn't be considered a god, but simply a supernaturally imposed rule of nature.

Black powder and smokeless powder could be developed, but wouldn't work combined with a rifled tubing and a slug. So, explosives would be feasible. But not missiles or rockets.

I dunno what else you want, man.

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Well moving away from that, how do you think the history would be different, Europe dominance over Africa was due to those inventions, without Europe stealing their resources and igniting new hatreds in top of the old ones, do you think they will compete with each other in terms of technical, eventually at least.

What countries wouldn't exist, like South Sudan maybe?

 

[FTR2017]

Well moving away from that, how do you think the history would be different, Europe dominance over Africa was due to those inventions, without Europe stealing their resources and igniting new hatreds in top of the old ones, do you think they will compete with each other in terms of technical, eventually at least.

What countries wouldn't exist, like South Sudan maybe?

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I am not that well-versed in particular historical things, but rough draft of it?

Europe would be mostly stuck dealing with its own issues, same with the other territories as logistics would be difficult to ensure without military might backing them in the form of long-range assault.

Perhaps you'd see catapults using explosives from ships, but those would be hard to move in rough terrain.

Any polity wanting to expand territories would need to face the logistics of not enough wood to carry enough warriors to exterminate the natives of the lands they want without running the risk of running out of warriors to establish a foothold and fortify the hell out of it with archers and heavy-plate knights.

 

[Nour uchiha]

I am not that well-versed in particular historical things, but rough draft of it?

Europe would be mostly stuck dealing with its own issues, same with the other territories as logistics would be difficult to ensure without military might backing them in the form of long-range assault.

Perhaps you'd see catapults using explosives from ships, but those would be hard to move in rough terrain.

Any polity wanting to expand territories would need to face the logistics of not enough wood to carry enough warriors to exterminate the natives of the lands they want without running the risk of running out of warriors to establish a foothold and fortify the hell out of it with archers and heavy-plate knights.

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How about this, a reformed Ottoman empire survive and thrive to an extent, reformed as they aren't looking down & discriminating against the people in their territories, Persia re emerge as a regional power that combined with Pakistan and negotiating with Afghanistan to join, India and China are locked in a struggle for dominance in their spheres against each other.

Germany and France ally against Italy, Britain, and Spain.

 

[FTR2017]

How about this, a reformed Ottoman empire survive and thrive to an extent, reformed as they aren't looking down & discriminating against the people in their territories, Persia re emerge as a regional power that combined with Pakistan and negotiating with Afghanistan to join, India and China are locked in a struggle for dominance in their spheres against each other.

Germany and France ally against Italy, Britain, and Spain.

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[Nour uchiha]

At the risk of triggering rule 8, any Islamic empire will seek to expand continuously and slaughter all those who refuse to become muslim. It is in their damned book if one bothers to track the quotes down.

And no, the bad muslims are those who want coexistence and assimilate, not the 'fanatics'. That's really telling. Hell, it is even more telling that the 'islamic' rulers that flourished the most were the ones who behaved the least like muslims as imams want.

You'd see more hardcore anti-muslim coalitions under these circumstances too, as there'd be no guerilla warfare and other types that need high-tech to operate.

Only pure bloodshed.

And for the turks to 'reform' into a more tolerant form? Lol. Lmao, even.

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Yeah no, delete this and get out from my thread, hate against any religion or ethnic group isn't tolerated here, so i will give you a chance to delete it before i report this to the mods.

 

[FTR2017]

Yeah no, delete this and get out from my thread, hate against any religion or ethnic group isn't tolerated here, so i will give you a chance to delete it before i report this to the mods.

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Meh, deleted as requested. Now please delete from your quotes and stop asking things if you're not interested in being objective.

Go forth, do research instead of acting emotional as you just did, and then reflect on what I meant. Not hatred for the people, but imperialistic cultures are always assholish, no matter creed.