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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Yes. Very much yes. Just because you're playing nice now, doesn't mean you won't have a fit of demonic Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. And the last thing anyone needs right now is a technological demon running loose.

    To be fair, depending on the style, that could just as easily be down to the 'underpants on the outside' look as the memories of Nabu riding Zatara. Even the most modern version of the union suit (from the New 52 'Earth 2' series) had a lot of 'classical' junk about the trunk...

    Plus, the whole making a (admittedly innocent) demonic pact with a teenage girl. That probably hits some hot buttons for her.

    Heh, nothing like a classy suit combined with wings to make a lady look damn good. Assuming she's not doing the Warren Worthington thing of tucking her wings away to hide them.

    And I'm picturing him looking like a living cartoon character wrapped in realistic CG tattoos...Quite the image... Though now I wonder how Simpson set up ritual spaces in cyberspace. Websites with a particularly demonic layout?

    We can but hope it hasn't induced a premature awakening of the Machine. Last thing you want is a miscarriage.

    Though I don't doubt Ted will still have people studying the assembly plant automata to see if they can replicate the effects...

    So, sooner than hoped for, but not in a premature sense. The Machine will simply be a little less fully formed at worst. It'll just be a matter of keeping anyone from trying this again...

    He's right. For all you know, that could see the Ophidian consume Earth's ability to comprehend technology.

    To be fair, while the Machine isn't likely to be the only god emerging from modern culture, some of them might well be less dangerous. A trickster god of Internet Trolls, for example. Or a goddess of.. Uh, let's call it 'Unconventional Romantic Fiction.' :p She's a bit of a shut-in.

    Avoid the blank glances and confused stares? The whole 'this is really a thing' disbelief?

    Trust the man who understands Life to be more diplomatic about the idea.

    Body, yes. Make a Hollow Man, that'll work out well. If you do that, I'd probably also add spiritual bindings to prevent him slipping his leash...

    You can be a test subject for the proof of concept! And who wouldn't want a cool super robotic body? I mean, it's not like you can't give it some bells and whistles to beat out the old body.

    Honestly, that could work. Demons are real dumb like that. Just look at how Satannus got on.

    Just as long as you make it strong enough to defend itself, but leave some well-hidden hooks to make it easier to stop if it does get ideas.

    Maybe once you've proved you're not going to pull any more demonically dumb plans.

    It will still take time to build. Where did you think you were going to stay, a Hilton?

    Good plan. After all, he pulled this shit. Presumably what little good sense he had got left behind when his body died...

    ...Kind of like what OL did to Mammon? Good to see him paying it forwards.

    But be very clear that you'll have multiple kill-switches, just in case of any backsliding. And don't let him know about all of them.

    Well, this time around. After all, if this didn't work, you know he'd have kept trying stupid plan after stupid plan.

    And, to be honest, I doubt it has quite the same level of 'Sword of Damocles' threat inherent to its having significant firepower, given that it's a repurposed Green Lantern Corp Watch-house, rather than a human-built satellite. After all, people know that the Green Lanterns have rules about that sort of thing, I would hope.

    Oh, don't look so glum. I'm sure it's rather fetching... :p Even if it might kind of make you look like Fate's BDSM pet...

    Hmm, what synthetic humanoid aesthetic to go for, then? Personally, I'd go for the Sorayama pin-up-style chrome. That's a fun kind of cool.

    Gods, finally he asks for help on it. Seriously, who knows what kind of trouble John's been getting into while he's been out of sight? I know neither of them know Constantine well enough to worry, but Quinn at least should be able to emphasize the importance of knowing where his namesake is...

    Of course, you know there's a good chance Constantine will find OL, once he hears about people looking for him. After all, no matter how powerful he might become, he's still got that healthy streak of paranoia. I'm betting we'll also see some wrap-up with Ted, and maybe Gemma, in the next couple of chapters, barring a cut-away to an alternate Paul. ;) And there's still that medical/spiritual check-up for OL to be dealing with...
     
  2. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    True, but usually not right after he actually helped them some.
     
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  3. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    It may remind her of her pre Angel time.

    If we ignore it, it will go away.

    Dr Wheelo from the DBZ Abridged movie.

    He really wanted an organic body.

    Master Quinn.

    Common Sense Paul come to us!
     
  4. w34v3r

    w34v3r Versed in the lewd.

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    On the one hand, do we really WANT to find Constantine?

    On the other, how long has it been since anyone made sure he wasn't about to summon a plague demon?
     
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  5. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    Ideally, we would be able to keep an eye on him while being out of the splash zone.
     
  6. Old Knife

    Old Knife Know what you're doing yet?

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    It would be great if Constantine were simply hanging out with his alternate-timeline twin after he gave him a helping hand.

    Finally. A world where his family wasn't always on eggshells.

    Oh wait. That guy tried to posses John. It obviously didn't work out but I don't recall it ever resolving itself.
    Anyone willing to explain things to poor forgetful me?
     
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  7. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    If you're talking about Golden Boy, then there's a chance that Quinn is Golden Boy.
     
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  8. Old Knife

    Old Knife Know what you're doing yet?

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    Forgive me but I do recall that Quinn was an under utilized DC magician. An off brand Constantine.

    But as for Golden Boy. What happened to him in the comics?
     
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  9. PKRudeBoy

    PKRudeBoy Getting out there.

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    I’m fairly certain that he was on that list well before his power upgrade. Afterwards, I could see some dumbass thinking ‘Well someone’s pulled a fast one on Dream before, how hard could it be?’ Right before John shows up and whispers in their ear ‘Pretty fucking hard, mate.’
     
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  10. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    So... Anyone else feel really let down by how anticlimactic this was?
     
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  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Yes.
     
  12. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Can you leave a link for where he showed up, or at least a copied image of a comic?

    I think you may be confusing him for Ambrose Bierce, or Kipling.
     
  13. SaltyWaffles

    SaltyWaffles Not too sore, are you?

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    You’re assuming that it’s over, rather than a setup for a much more climactic plot later on.
     
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  14. Sorrow

    Sorrow Getting sticky.

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    Let's face it, if John is your friend, you are better off (trying) to kill him than letting him get you killed. He'll off you pretty quickly, the fates of people that help John? Those are just F@$%ing terrible.
     
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  15. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I recall seeing an SI fic once. The SI was pondering in a dark alley, and Constantine came out of the fog, starting a spooky/warning thing that he does.....and the SI instantly atomized him.
     
  16. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Do you have a link to that fic, or remember its name? That sounds interesting.
     
  17. Assblaster5000

    Assblaster5000 Know what you're doing yet?

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    Give me Jensen Shades or give me death.
     
  18. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Experienced.

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    Is all the lights combined minus Black so... it is basically the equivalent of being attacked by all the lights minus Black; at the same time.
     
  19. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    That's impressive since Zoat made him up. DC has several off brand Constantines- Including a magician who may or may not be Rasputin the Mad Monk. A John Quinn isn't among them though.

    As for Golden Boy he wanted to merge with Constantine and use his Laughing Magician powers to usher in a Golden Age.

    All it would take was for Constantine to commit suicide in their shared mental world.

    So Constantine accused Golden Boy of using his Laughing Magician power to make Constantine's life the living hell it had been and then murdered him in their shared mental world.

    Zoat is of the opinion that Constantine was just being a paranoid asshole there, but I understand the majority opinion is that Golden Boy was a bastard coated bastard with a creamy bastard filling villain with good publicity.
     
  20. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Not necessarily, assuming he is the Golden Boy.

    Constantines mother, Mary Anne, was called Mary Anne Quinn before she married Constantines father.

    It's possible that John just gave him the Helmet for some weird reason.

    Though if Zoat is feeling like subverting expectations, which he does from time to time, he could just make Quinn's origin fairly mundane.

    As in he is what he told Paul at their first meeting, a street magician who worked with Constantine from time to time.

    Not Golden Boy, just some guy.

    All of these things, like the name, the connection to Constantine, all seeming like they're clues to some grand mystery, end up being just coincidences.
     
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  21. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Considering that Golden Boy's name is John Constantine, Zoat made up John Quinn up either way.
     
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  22. Darko

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    The guy probably thought I'd be better to use his mothers maiden name rather than his fathers last name.

    Assuming he is the Golden Boy and Zoat isn't just making us think it is while in reality it may be something else.
     
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  23. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    This phrase could be read two ways, and both are correct. They are the most recent model of suppression chain, and they are chains that suppress the generation of current -- which is a useful thing to have around when you're dealing with an electricity-aligned individual.

    You're such a troll. Ngamer11, you should really be more careful about asking questions that are subject to that trick.
     
  24. Rafin

    Rafin Know what you're doing yet?

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    What's Angelica's day job?
     
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  25. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Sorry, I didn't notice the 'or not'. Sandy is a member of the team.
    She managed to get control of a number of her brother's businesses after his arrest.
     
  26. Doccer

    Doccer Know what you're doing yet?

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    Seconded. Link please?
     
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  27. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Found an old error. That should be Rocket Red.
     
  28. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I do not.

    I think it was actually a dead fic. I want to say I found it on TV tropes...but I can't quite remember. Sorry.

    I honestly don't remember anything other than that moment. I don't even remember what the SI's powers were.

    So....basically John Constantine?

    From what I always understood. Golden Boy did everything John did...without fucking it up and getting people killed.
     
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  29. Threadmarks: Maladaptive (part 16)
    Mr Zoat

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    24th July 2012
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    "I appreciate the thought, Paul, but it just wouldn't work."

    Hephaestus peers through his magnifying glasses at the contraption on his work bench, a thing that will eventually form the magic containment for Richard Simpson's android body. It's based on the design Thomas Morrow used for Danni and Red Tornado, but it needs to be able to handle demonic magic. The model the Morrow construct put together most decidedly wasn't.

    "Why not?"

    He leans back in his seat, his brow furrowing.

    "Have you ever tried eating an entire roasted ox yourself in one sitting?"

    "No?"

    "Now, imagine that rather than eating it, you were trying to just slide it into your skull next to your brain. And then closed your skull right up again."

    "You know, I do understand enough about thaumaturgy that you don't have to resort to nonsensical metaphors to explain these things to me."

    He swivels the chair around to face me.

    "Okay. A better metaphor would be to say that I'd dissolve. The God of Technology is colossal. If Doctor Fate says that it's a god and not a titan then I'll believe him, but it's going to be far more powerful than any god in our pantheon."

    "'Our'?"

    "The Greek pantheon doesn't exactly have a God of Avarice. When you finally do die, Hades might decide to kick you upstairs."

    "I-. I don't think that's a good idea."

    Hephaestus chuckles quietly. "When has that ever stopped us? You're looking at the man who dragged Aphrodite and Ares to Olympus in a net. I'm lame. Have you got any idea how far I had to drag them? Ares spent the first day cursing me, then just went to sleep until we got to the throne room."

    He turns back to his work.

    "'Rage is a hell of an anaesthetic'?"

    "Stubbornness makes you ignore how stupid you're being."

    "Zeus said 'no' to the divorce petition, then?"

    "I think there was a 'no' somewhere in between all the guffaws. It was hard to tell."

    "Sorry about that."

    "I'm used to it."

    "But at least Zeus is over his divorce, right?"

    "Don't think you're off the hook, there. Zeus can bear a grudge like an immortal god with no day job to distract him."

    "Ugh. Is there a way to pay him off? Or… I don't know, twelve things he urgently needs a demigod to take care of?"

    "Not these days. Sorry."

    "I'll just have to keep watching the skies, then. But going back to why you can't absorb the God of Technology..?"

    "It would be like putting a single drop of ink in an ocean. What was left of me would be too broken apart to function as any kind of directing mind. And that's even assuming that I was compatible."

    "Why wouldn't you be?"

    "I'm the God of the Forge. Making things. I'm not the god of made things. Remember what happened when you showed me that ingot that got made by nanotech rather than a foundry?"

    I nod. He could work it, but it was obviously taking a lot more concentration than a foundry-made ingot.

    "Vulcan made the switch from volcanoes."

    "This isn't something you can argue away, Paul. It's just how it works, mechanically. And honestly, I'm not sure I'd want it even if I could get it."

    He picks up the diabolic responsometer and moves it around, searching for imperfections. He doesn't appear to find any.

    "Okay, this is done. You okay making the rest?"

    I nod. "I can make a non-combat model. If Richard wants something a bit heavier then he can negotiate with John."

    He nods, passing it to me. I take it and stow it in my carry case.

    "Vulcan? You about done?"

    A fully exploded Earl Dukeston the Second is strapped to a series of custom gurneys as Vulcan inscribes the runes required to enable him to develop a metaphysique onto every component. It's a little disturbing how he's awake, aware, and watching with what appears to be genuine interest. It's hard to tell exactly how he feels, as his faux skin was an early casualty of the process.

    "Just about."

    "Ah'm a real boy, Pah?"

    "I do mechanical engineering and magic. If you want a penis, talk to Paul."

    "I can build you a penis, but I don't understand your programming well enough to integrate it into your mind."

    "Ah don't have those kinda drives. Docs said it'd take a whole mess of hormones and suchlike they couldn't just program into my noggin. Sides, what would ah do with that kinda thing?"

    "Whatever you want. That's the point. But your body, your peripheral choices. Vulcan, is Richard's fetish making it any easier?"

    Not pausing in his work, Vulcan nods.

    "I don't know what he was hoping to achieve with this, but he did good work. It almost seamlessly draws the God of Technology's magic from the Dream and integrates it into the world. Let him know I'm genuinely impressed."

    "I will."

    "With that, binding magic to Earl's frame and making it act like a normal soul is much easier. Have you shared it with the Atlanteans?"

    "I haven't, but I'm sure that the League will."

    "This could make integrating machinery and magic much easier."

    "Ah'm going to have to talk to mah pastor about this magic stuff."

    "Shouldn't you have done that before..?"

    "Way ah saw it, whatever he thought of magic, he wasn't going to complain about me getting a soul."

    "Do you feel any different?"

    "Ah ain't exactly at mah best right this second. Maybe kinda… Twinkley? Ah don't really know what having a soul's supposed to feel like."

    "Okay." Vulcan puts his soldering iron down and pulls a lever, unlocking the clamps holding Mr. Dukeston down. "That should do it."

    Mr. Dukeston pulls himself together, concertining back into a single seat and looking himself over.

    "No, still feel the same ole me. Guess a soul's something you grow into."
     
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  30. Mr Zoat

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
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