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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Well, that usually indicates it's a bad mnemonic device.

    hesitate
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  3. Ideomancer

    Ideomancer Getting out there.

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    More or less how planes look at each other, as it happens.
     
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    Mr Zoat

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    11th September 2012
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    Naturally, there's no user interface.

    In fact, I'm not sure that there's any 'computer' here in the conventional sense of the term. I mean, it's the regulator for the interface, but it was clearly built on the assumption that the Controller would be doing most of the work in their head. It's letting me do it by ring more because it hasn't been designed not to rather than any sort of permission system.

    "Are you able to access it?"

    "Yes. Sort of. Unfortunately, it's designed for an actual Controller to do most of the work. They literally have to bridge the gap between dimensions themselves; this system doesn't do it. Which… I'm sorry, but I'm wasting your time. I can't do that."

    I frown.

    Can I? Or rather, can my ring?

    No, no, I don't think so. The Honden isn't a dimension, not in the way that this place is designed to use the term.

    "You can't?"

    He sounds genuinely surprised. Which is oddly touching, but it's slightly unfortunate that I'm giving a bad impression.

    "Sorry. I'm a Lantern, not a dimensional mathematician. I can do an assessment of the place and report back to the actual Controllers, but as far as activating this is concerned…"

    "We would rather not have the Controllers come here personally."

    "Ah… Okay? I suppose Dox could probably do it. Maybe one or two others? Would you..? Mind telling me why you don’t want them here?"

    Coeus turns aside and swings his right arm, indicating the rest of the factory.

    "Does it seem strange that we are concerned about the people who made all of this?"

    "A little? I mean, they left. A long time a go. There's no obvious reason for them to want to take it back. You said that you were worried about their technology decaying due to lack of attention, and those weapons are already here."

    He smiles faintly. "Oh, for a rational universe."

    "I know what you mean. I suppose… Is this the first planet you've ruled?"

    "Without our mother's guidance?" He nods. "Yes. Is there really nothing you can do?"

    "There are a lot of things I could do. But I can't be sure in advance what the result would be, which rather defeats the purpose of my coming here."

    I take a moment to peer off into the distance.

    "How about I take a look around the place and then report back to the Controllers for instructions?"

    "Very well. I can't really give you a tour as I have no idea what any of this does, but you are welcome to see it."

    He turns away to walk back down the rope bridge-.

    "I'm sorry if this is a personal question, but can you fly?"

    "Normally, yes. But there is something about this place that distorts magic. I take it that the Controllers made no use of it?"

    I try to rise by ring, but the power leaks away almost immediately. Ophidian?



    "They can, but they aren't keen on using power moderated by others."

    I trigger my armour's flight system instead, and… Yes, that works. I rise off the platform and fly after Coeus.

    "Can I offer you an alternate system? It's fairly instinctual to use."

    He looks rather taken aback.

    "How?"

    "Basic physics is working more or less the same in here as it does outside. So whatever shielding they've put in place is probably… High order stuff, designed to prevent certain types of extra-planar energy working. So no magic for you and no ring for me. However, normal"-

    I try taking a simple magnet out of subspace, but can't. Ah… Side arm? I draw it and point it off into the distance.

    "-manipulations of magnetic forces and electricity work fine."

    I pull the trigger, the bang caused by the exploding powder echoing through the chamber before being lost to the distance.

    "As well as chemical reactions."

    "You carry a chemical propellant weapon?"

    "They're a pain to stop remotely." I frown. "What… Language are you speaking?"

    "I speak several languages, though at the moment I'm speaking Greek. Why do you ask?"

    So how is my ring translating? I mean, I've learned a little Classical Greek, but I'm not fluent and I wouldn't mistake it for English. So is the ring's translation system separate..? Or is it that he has a normal connection to the orange light and it's running off that? Something else to ask Hinon.

    "My armour has a translation system, but I usually rely on my ring. And I doubt that you speak English."

    "So you can bypass the system?"

    "So I can accidentally bypass the system in one regard without knowing why. Let's not get ahead of ourselves."

    He nods. "It is wise to know one's limits. And yes, thank you. I would like you to share whatever system you're using."

    "I-."

    With my rings down, I can't fabricate a flight belt. But I can disconnect my armour's backup and attach a couple of straps… There.

    I hold it out to him.

    "Strap this on securely."

    He looks it over, then tests the strength of the straps before pulling it around his waist and tightening it.

    "Tap it, then sort of angle yourself in the way you want to-"

    Coeus launches into the air, narrowly dodging the beams holding up our platform to the ceiling before stopping.

    "I see. A little…"

    He shifts sideways, stops, falls a few metres and then stops again.

    "I see. Interesting. Is this its original purpose?"

    "No, it was originally used as crash protection for starship travellers."

    "Travellers who would often not have been trained in specialised systems." He thinks for a moment. "Tell me; you mentioned geothermal power earlier. What other suggestions do you have for improving this world?"
     
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  5. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    You should have said:

    "Dammit man, I'm a Lantern, not a dimensional physicist!"

    Worried about the natives not reacting pleasantly to their former overlords and enslavers showing up?

    Ohh, so they're worried that the Controllers could defeat them.

    Actually there is.

    The Reach.

    They used the planet as a delivery system for their Sun Eaters in the past, so they may want to reclaim it now and send their Lanterns into Reach space.

    I think he and Paul just became very, very close.

    So it's not just the Controllers mini chlorian powers that are disrupted.

    I'm betting he's thinking it's odd for a space traveler to have such a primitive weapon.

    Unless you have that device the Sontarans used, or the Tollan used.

    Or the translation system doesn't use all that much power so is not so disrupted.

    So, anyone thinking that Paul is going to run into something horrible and not be able to use his ring?
     
  6. Ardy

    Ardy Not too sore, are you?

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    im guessing we’re cutting back next year huh?
     
  7. Doccer

    Doccer Not too sore, are you?

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    I think I see a truly destined Broship for the ages blossoming here.
     
  8. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    Yes. And worrying that he can't reach the Ophidian as well.

    I wouldn't be looking around. I'd gtfo and call Hinnon asap.
     
  9. asparagus

    asparagus Getting sticky.

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    Wow, that's probably his favorite question of the year. He usually just gives out those suggestions unprompted.
     
  10. Dakkan Sall

    Dakkan Sall Random Encounter

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    Well, up until the low-key hints of "something's not quite right with what we're being told" end up coming to bear and things fall apart.
     
  11. Sockmonkey

    Sockmonkey Not too sore, are you?

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    Translation is part of the ring's communication system, not it's ability to manipulate energy and matter, so a safety system mean to prevent unauthorized people from fucking with Maltusian tech wouldn't bother to block it.
     
  12. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Interesting. Coeus was essentially born into a post-technology society

    He probably never even heard of more primitve solutions than what they inplemented.

    So he has no idea how to uplift his people. And they in turn would probably never innovate on their own, cared for by their pantheon.

    Paul is the best thing that could happen to a place like that.
     
  13. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Seriously, I can understand the Controllers not wanting anyone to use use it but themselves... But for frick's sake, at least have some manner of internal security, just in case someone like OL turns up. Someone who can poke around the edges of what a maltusian can do, but doesn't have the knowledge of what not to do...

    And this should be the point at which calling Hinon would be the next logical step, isn't it, OL?

    And in the wings, Murphy is perking up, rummaging in his pockets for something fun to throw at OL...

    Thank fuck for that. So, head back outside, send Hinon word and let her handle that side of things. Easy as, nice little diversion... (And Murphy is snapping his fingers angrily at them...)

    Better to leave it be than poke something and learn he just hit the self-destruct.

    Besides the fact that with a name like 'The Controllers'... If they built this place to make weapons to kill suns, would you want someone like that showing up?

    Quite reasonable, really, given it all.

    Wow, you know just what to say to get on OL's good side, huh? Almost a little suspicious...

    Which begs the question... Have they ruled planets before? And what happened to those planets that they aren't still ruling there? I can but hope they're doing well for themselves, but...

    Such a suggestion these days practically demands the 'Common Sense interrupt' call-out... :rolleyes: Which says so much about OL, doesn't it?

    Oh, boy. Given OL's reaction to coming up that way... I can't imagine going down would be any easier.

    Interesting. Anti-magic field... Presumably keyed to not affect maltusians, or at least individuals with some manner of security pass.

    ...How did you not notice Best Snek breaking contact? Interesting that it allowed constructs to interface with the controls, but not flight.

    Come now, OL. Are you really going to make him climb down?

    Probably not used to being the one offered aid. What with, you know, fairly significant mystical power.

    Including Spectrum technology, for the most part. I wonder, did the ones who made this expect trouble from other maltusians?

    No subspace access either? Interesting. I would not be surprised if there were some manner of security pass system in use. If there's a synthetic intelligence watching them, OL is probably being pegged as 'undecided threat rating'... Any lesser species without Spectrum technology would likely be dismissed unless they started poking the Sun-Eaters with sticks or something...

    Threat Rating upgraded to 'minor annoyance.'

    Unless you have some way to negate combustion processes. Or make the ammunition expand to the point of failure. Or simply disarm them using some manner of telekinesis... Admittedly, all rather advanced technologies. So not inaccurate.

    Or it's a loophole in the security system, same as the connection you established to the control terminal.

    Not intentionally. Which means it's probably not a good idea to keep poking, or whatever security is in place might decided to take action.

    ...Since any security is likely to be fairly.. decisive.. about its approach to intruders, no doubt...

    Not to worry. Once you're outside of whatever interdiction field is on this place, you should be fine... Unless the Ophidian had a tantrum when you lost contact...

    Boy, this guy is just ticking all of OL's 'sensible' boxes, isn't he?

    Yeah, not the worst display of first-time flying he's seen.

    The joy of Coeus being a smart guy. He picks this shit up fast.

    For which it is probably well over-designed, but why do things by half-measures?

    Oh, boy, don't get him started, he'll talk your ear off all the way back to New Cronus...

    Okay, good to see no-one went poking any buttons they shouldn't have (Not that they could, because no buttons at all, bloody maltusians...) And Coeus seems to know just what to say and do to make OL like him. I wonder if that's his talent in particular, or if it's part of some stupid plan or another to manipulate him... Or Mr Zoat could just be playing with our expectations while we wait for the other shoe to drop (thanks to suspicions based on the comics canon...)


    Coeus launches into the air, narrowly dodging the beams...
     
  14. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    If only Paul was logical when it is necessary.

    Yes, yes it does.

    No, I think it's the planet itself.

    Paul mentioned that it interfered with the Controllers powers so that's why they enslaved the natives.
     
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    The thing is that anything capable of preventing combustion would also work as an all-purpose organic life turner-offer. It could well be that some of the technologies that get labelled 'death rays' function by inhibiting chemical reactions, but if you got caught in a field effect that worked that way without shielding, you'd be too busy being dead to notice your sidearm stopped working.
     
  16. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    The Tollans used space magic, but the sontarans used an energy field which caused brass to expand, jamming guns which used brass-jacketed rounds. Rounds with steel jackets worked fine.
     
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    Hell's Razer Passive Member

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    Yeah people don't often realise it due to how slow it happens compared to animal life but plant life is every bit as vicious as animal life if not more, it just happens slow enough that you need time lapse recording to actually see.
     
  18. Gantradies

    Gantradies Not too sore, are you?

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    i mean, for someone in the equivalent of a elite special forces unit (or an army/marine unit that constantly has to deal with exotic or hostile environments),
    or a deep-space explorer constantly running into, as they say, “weird shit”,
    a conventional/“advanced” chemical-propellant weapon makes a lot of sense- if you end up in danger near an anomaly/hostile device that fucks with non-biological electricity/magnetic or gravitation fields like some of the stuff here- screw with power generation/storage all you like, it’ll still fire unless the field is a game-over to biological life as well, as mentioned
    and even with a dated propellant, a physical projectile still has the capability for special payloads/exotic bullets/shells to compensate-

    plus there’s a lot of room for getting creative with chemical propellants- exotic/high-power loadings using post-FTL chemistry and metallurgy for projectile and weapon both-
    depending on the design, you could probably come up with something like a Coil/gravatic assisted sidearm/long gun that STILL can fire using the conventional propellant without the acceleration assist/targeting systems ect if it’s shorted out/drained…
    I could also see a “simplified” version being popular with civilians/settlers in newly-founded colonies- if you’ve got the materials/power to charge the batteries, great, for regular hunting/animal defence, you could probably skip the propellant charge barring the equivilent of a Cape buffalo,
    -if not, you still have perfectly serviceable hunting rifles/defensive weapons with a bit less kick/velocity that you can reload cartridges for with bulk-imported propellants, or “rough” loads using older/simpler types of powder that are easier to make in a early-colony economy, albeit with a lot of cleaning..…

    hmmm… I wonder if anyone ever started looking into liquid gun propellant charges after that project in the 80’s/90’s by the us navy/army failed due to metallurgy/charge-yield control issues…
     
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  19. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Hmm, seeing as this planet is holding Sun Eaters I can't help but feel that we might be seeing Starbreaker soon.

    Paul did travel to the future using his orange light powers so he might have sensed him and is now also feeling him.

    I know there isn't a lot of evidence here but I just can't help but feel that this is the case.
     
  20. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Versed in the lewd.

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    The Renegade was the one who met Starbreaker, not Paul.
     
  21. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down

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    When was that?
     
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    Ngamer11 Versed in the lewd.

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    In Episode 103: Summer's End.
     
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    Darko Well worn.

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    I know that Paul didn't meet him.

    I was thinking that when Paul tracked down Melmoth in the future he also may have sensed Starbreaker and now he's sensing him again.
     
  24. randyb

    randyb Making the rounds.

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    Can someone help me find a particular part of the story?

    IIRC, Paul was talking to someone who asked about which Lanterns he admires, which is almost none of them. Paul mentioned Rot Lop Fan, who's Green Lantern from alien species that doesn't have sight. He mentioned one Green Lantern who managed to internalize that a lot of the time constructs only need to exist very briefly, or something like that, but I don't remember that one's name. The other person asks about Orange Lanterns, and Paul says something along the lines of "I surpass him every time I leave my room."

    I've looked through the story and a bunch of the omakes, no luck yet and it's kinda driving me nuts.
     
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    Ngamer11 Versed in the lewd.

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    It happened in Episode 4: Prod Zone.
     
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    randyb Making the rounds.

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    Thanks!
     
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    Mr Zoat

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    11th September 2012
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    "Half a year?"

    I nod as we head back up through the tunnels, my right hand slightly extended as I try and create a construct.

    "How much time have you spent in the immaterium?"

    "A few moments, while our mother was teaching me."

    "You remember what it's like?" He nods. "You're a god. This body you're driving around now? That's an avatar, capable of using a fraction of your full power."

    "But I-. We have more access to the world like this."

    "Look… Unless I very much miss my guess, you're not much older than me, right?"

    "A little older-. But yes, far younger than our titanic forebears."

    "So while your powers are notable, they're really nothing that a high end mortal magician couldn't replicate. It's just that for you they're innate rather than learned."

    "I haven't seen a magician who could match us."

    "I-."

    My construct splutters into existence, then stabilises.

    "There we go." Coeus frowns. "Trust me, as someone who has seen high end magicians. If I dropped off a book on thaumaturgy in a few of this planet's major cities, you'd see people at that level in… Twenty to thirty years? No one could equal you in full god mode."

    "But I would struggle to affect the world."

    "And that's what priests are for. Very few people have regular meetings with their planet's overlord, but if you stick a priest with a few divine gifts in every town, suddenly they have a more personal relationship."

    "We could have priests without empowering them."

    "Then where's the pull? Why would someone become a priest? What are they supposed to be doing that mundane administrators aren't doing? What are the government officials doing that the priests aren't going?"

    "Is that how..? How the Olympians organise their devotees?"

    "No. As I said, hardly anyone worships the Olympians. Zeus mostly spends his time hanging out in Olympus or… Picking up lonely middle aged women on cruises while in avatar mode. He has at least one recent daughter that I know about sired like that. You want to build this civilisation up?"

    "Of.. course, but-."

    "Then you need to think about what is it that you can offer it. What you can do that would make people want to worship you. Can you assess the intellectual capacities of everyone on the planet as you are now?"

    "Not quickly. I would have to meet them all in person."

    "And in the immaterium?"

    "I would need to bend the world-sphere around myself, which.. would take some time. But once we created a new Othrys, I could arrange matters so that my attention was drawn to the sharpest of intellects."

    "Wouldn't New Cronus work?"

    "No, it would need to be tied to somewhere on the planet. We flew New Cronus here; it isn't integrated yet. Do you intend to hand out books on thaumaturgy?"

    "I'll give you a few copies when we get back to New Cronus. If you're serious about the uplift project I don't see any reason to make your life unnecessarily difficult." I frown as we emerge into the sunlight. "How has your takeover gone over with the locals?"

    "Most mortal rulers have acquiesced. Consolidating our control is slow-going, but there's no unified resistance."

    "Mortal rulers might acquiesce to a display of strength, but that won't be enough to make them yours. It won't make them loyal in the way I imagine that you want."

    "I am confident that within a few generations, they will become accustomed to us. But I take your point-. Your many points. You have never ruled a world yourself?"

    "Not my desire. But I've had access to the records of the rulership of millions of worlds, and the writings of people far wiser than me who analysed them. I would be happy to give you those as well, though I suspect that you will need a very long time to read all of them."

    "Time, we have. If we do as you suggest, Hyperion and Thia would be able to rejuvenate this system's star." I frown. I didn't think-. "It's not dying yet, but it's older than it might be."

    "I wouldn't suggest prioritising it, but visibly changing the sun would certainly give an undeniable impression of power. Oh, and you should probably divide up responsibility between you. Not just your domains, but what parts of lives of your people you oversee."

    "How so?"

    "Would schools be the responsibility of Crius and Mnemosyne, or you and Phoebe? Who is responsible for law and order? How about public health and medicine? Civic planning? Industry? If you're trying to create a unified civilisation and culture, you'll need a unified plan."

    "I will need to discuss all of this with Phoebe, and with the others."

    "Of course. And I need to talk to Controller Hinon about-."

    Coeus doubles over, clutching his head! A moment later he straightens, a look of horror on his face!

    "No!"

    A second later he's faded from view. Some sort of teleportation? It makes sense that he'd be able to do that, but I've got no idea why he's so concerned. I… Doubt that there's anything I could help with; we've built up a rapport and if he wanted me he'd have asked.

    We didn't really… Stop to talk to the garrison protecting this entrance before we came in, but I did get a brief introduction to the man in charge. Athyns came with the New Titans from Karrakan, and he's the head of their military here. I fly towards his command post, returning my armour to subspace and switching to my formal robes. Athyns is a very serious warrior and commander, and I want to be sure that I'm not immediately seen as a potential threat.

    As it turns out, I don't need to head to his command post. He's already out, mustering soldiers and preparing them for action. I get a quick and extremely hard look as I land, and then he nods.

    "Ambassador."

    "Lord Coeus has been called away. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I was poking around secure sites without an escort."

    "It's best if you just stay here. I'll assign you an escort once everyone else is prepared."

    "Prepared for what? If you can tell me. I can see there's some sort of alert, but I don't know what for."

    "Someone attacked one of the gods. That's all I know. Now go sit over there, and stay out of the way."
     
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    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down

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    I don't think Paul can do that
     
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    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Use of the term 'Immaterium' certainly had me looking if this was P'aul, Gue'vesa Lantern, just on reflex. Of course by the sounds of it things are about to get very Chaotic, no matter what realm you're in.
     
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    Darko Well worn.

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    'every town'

    Because they want to please their gods by worshipping them extra hard.

    Tend to the spiritual needs of the people instead of the more mundane knew.

    'he nods'
     
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