With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Let's see

Original Flavor
Golden Boy
Demon
Quinn
Until show otherwise assuming New Demon is another
Kon-stan-tyn distant ancestor who looked just like him and was also a dick (sacrificed one of his children)

 

Well the Dreaming is a place of great mystical power, so maybe he can get access to that power.

Also it can allow him to protect against demons since Dream isn't exactly fond of them.

 

So new theory, Quinn might have taken Demon Constantine from Bell Reave for some unspecified reason and now Quinn or someone else has been impersonating Demon Constantine since we've seen Demon Constantine's pov during this trip we can assume this person truly thinks their Demon Constantine. Fuck this is complicated maybe if Paul talks to new love elemental Chantelle she can maybe clear this up. Knowing Constantine there is also the possibility that he altered her memory or locked her in a closet somewhere and threw away the key.

 

Will admit I'm rather enjoying the twist here.

 

This could maybe be an alternate timeline Demon Constantine? The Crisis Of Infinite Pauls opened up the floodgates for stuff like that, but it's been quite awhile since it happened and we haven't really seen any consequences from it.

 

Was that the party member from the tutorial that was unkillable because some munchkin abandoned the tutorial with him, considering an immortal lackey would be better rewards than whatever completing the tutorials actual rewards would be?

...all for the low low price of said lackey occasionally/constantly bringing up his dropped quest line.

 

This is the Demon Constantine that was part of the B plot of the episode that dealt with the Soviet speedster program and that dead evil speedster coming back as a demon and possessing Alan's friend Jay Garric or whatever.

That is what the Demon means by Azerbaijan.

Paul got dupped, the demon he was traveling with isn't the original so it's likely another Golem made by Quinn and this whole thing was a trap.

 

If I wasn't lost before... but this is sure turning spicy.

 

Also for the low price of removing a necessary NPC of the tutorial, leading to a bunch of newbs who didn't know how to play the game.

 

So what, we got Golden Boy, and John Quinn, and they are both complete halves (of what's left) of Constantine?

 

Jesus, how many Constantine's are there?!

He seriously needs some magical birth control.

 

Wait, so we have two demon Constantine's (assuming one of the demons isn't just normal john taking the piss), John Quinn, golden boy and possibly another John running around.

What I don't understand is why didn't Quinn come clean immediately and say "I'm an artificial John, John created to be a lord of order."

I mean this assumes none of the Johns are lying.

 

Fuck's sake John, what the hell did you do!? This is messed up, and I'm still lost on what's going on with the Demons!

I definitely think Constantine outdid himself with this harebrained scheme. I'm honestly waiting for when the universe implodes due to too many Johns in the same place Constantining about!

 

I believe the official Vertigo/DC Tarot has John as the Fool, actually . Plus the Tarot Archetype in the first Vertigo comics resembles John (or the other way around) too. Not sure who the Hanged Man was in the official Vertigo deck.

So there should be 4 Constantines right now, I believe? Original John, Demon Constantine, Golden Boy, the latter two being used as magical foci to split Original John into Quinn and the second Demon. Though I think I'm getting the sequence of events wrong (4 John Constantines, anyway, we also have his sister, Morgana's daughter, Gemma and John's long-lost nephew, though I don't know if 2 people can be the Laughing Magician at the same time or anything).

And then there's Anti-Life around just to make this even more fun. If only John had taken a metaphysical day trip and run into Hawk and Dove's patrons or something, maybe a lot of this mess could have been avoided. He probably wouldn't be a Constantine if that happened, though.

 

"where" to "were"

 

That would require any version of Constantine to have some kind of communication skills more developed than pissing off everyone around himself.

Utterly impossible.

 

I... think... we're at five of him. Two demons, Golden Boy, John Quinn, and a yet as seen chaos version. Unless Golden Boy or the other demon are the chaos version. Then it's four.

 

I think the new Demon Constantine is the other half of the split Constantine, yeah.

 

Does anyone else thing that something very bad will happen to all of the (non-demon) Constantines if one of them dies? Something along the lines of how ground flour is dangerously flammable, the evaporating soul of a Constantine will cause nearby magic to run amok? Or a fragment will drain its surroundings to acquire enough energy to drag itself to the nearest living Constantine?

In other news, it looks like John is finally nearing the end of the Harry Potter series. What a shame he took a shine to Tom of all characters.

 

Blaming someone else for your shitty life decisions yep he's John.

 

There would be at least four at this point, maybe more, depending on how actively Original Recipe Constantine has been carving chunks off himself. And doesn't that sound like such a Constantine plan? Chop off all the bits that aren't working right and shove them into a homunculus of yourself and see what's left...

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Ah, right, he's a bit behind the times, isn't he? Had Quinn been active as Fate before the Azerbijan thing?

Or someone else entirely with the same face. It seems to be something of a fad right now.

Honestly, if you knew what he was doing, it'd probably be something you'd feel obliged to stop. Which is probably why he hasn't been in touch...

Or so he believes, anyway. They did check that the Demon's cell is empty, right?

Ah, good, so that part was true. Given how much other stuff we can't trust right now...

Fellah's been getting around, hasn't he? Did you think what he did with you was special?

Unless Original John is a masochist (and I would not be surprised) a copy of him probably wouldn't be...

...Okay, guess he is. Why does this suddenly explain some things about him?

Oh, yeah, Sandy's still down below, isn't he? Joy of being the only non-flier (Well, the Doctor is being carried, but...)

And there's the bizarre arcane topography again.

That can't be accidental. I'm betting it's got something to do with this whole setup.

I'm guessing that's the linch-pin of the whole shebang. Best not to go tossing any wooden shoes in there, though... Not until you know what it does.

Fractals, mate. Chaos and Order in harmony.

Besides make for the world's most complicated hookah? ...What, you're gonna say John wouldn't try and smoke some of Dream's sand if he could?

And now I'm picturing a giant hour-glass-shaped machine... Made of kirby-tech.

Maybe there's some sort of seventh sense involved? A kind of intuition? If nothing else, something to help make the visions make more sense. Like the ability to see names of people involved, that sort of thing...

Well, that sounds like heavier restraints than what the Demon got. Evidently, whatever's in there has a lot more mystical oomph.

Well, at least they can talk. Maybe they know what the fuck's going on...

Oooh, boy. There's Constantine number five. And I think the universe has blown its vocal cords out, so it's now [Screaming Internally]...

And probably sounds a lot more like one of the Beatles than Sting.

...Well, shit. So this hasn't been a Golden Boy plot. He's been locked up the whole time, it seems.

Hey, he's good, but he's no miracle-worker...

Which probably explains the Dream Sand. Without the physical anchor of John's body and soul, he's little more than a dream now...

...So, this whole thing is a... What, a gyroscope, keeping the Constantines balanced and stable?

That means he pulled himself apart until he had something that could handle each bit? Huh, my guess in the introduction was closer than I thought.

...And Quinn got all the Order bits? So where's the Chaos part?

Man, that must have left him with a splitting headache. But seriously, this really is a Constantine plan at the core, isn't it? Couldn't trust anyone else with the power, so he just made more of himself to cope with it? I suppose that's one way to deal with consuming an energy field (or two) larger than your own head... But where did the Anti-Life come into it? Or has someone been taking advantage of the way Original John cracked himself apart? We're gonna need more mops...

 

No, that all happened before Nabu was killed.

 

I think there are four.

He used "Golden John" and "Demon John"as weights to balance his soul enough to split into " Chaos John" the Demon form we met and "Order John" alias John Quinn.

I guess the Chaos and Order forms modelled themselves after the spiritually closer Demon and Golden Boy forms.

He needed the Dream sand to manifest Golden Boy, since he never technically existed.

And at some point the Order John got infected by Antilife

 

From what I can tell john pulled a Adam warlock but rather then good an evil he split order an chaos.

 

So rather than pursue the wiser Alchemical path of strengthening/improving himself to handle that power, he divides and thus weakens himself.

John's basically pulled a Voldemort.

 

You're falling into the same trap as LePaul and assuming it's actually possible to be a stable Lord of Balance.

 

The second "Demon" John who traveled with Paul/Alan/Mist/Sandy was about to marry Kit, the love of John's life, when they found him. That seems like a clue.

I would imagine the one trying to marry Kit is actual John.

 

1. Sickly Boy + Golden Boy = Combined John
2. Combined John - Demon John = Fic Start John
3. Fic Start John + Klarion Sauce = Chaos John
4. Chaos John + Nabu Sauce = Overload John
5. Overload John / (Golden Boy + Demon John) = John Quinn + False Demon

I think that's everything.

 

Hellblazer 39.

According to The Golden Fogey, there are four. Himself, The Demon, and the two halves of John, one of whom is probably infected with Anti-Life.

Thank you, corrected.