With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Lord Ernest]

He's not especially popular with the Norwegian government,

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Is it because of the Einherjar? Because that's the only thing I can remember the Illustres having direct involvement in the area. I think he also fought Finality Man somewhere around there as well, but would it be that? I don't know what else it could be.

 

[Ardy]

Norway has a lot of oil, I believe, so maybe the green energy thing?

 

[Stsword]

Reminds of an old tabletop RPG Superhero character whose main power was a healing factor that didn't do anything about scars or the like so the guy got worse and worse looking over time.

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GURPS Wild Cards perhaps?

Because that sounds like Carnifex.

 

[Mr Zoat]

What has Paul done that specifically ticked off the Norwegian government?

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No, I mean they neither like him nor dislike him.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

At some pount, I wonder if Paul is going to get nominated for a Peace Prize and then we have an entire episode about the ethics around that, combined with a vendetta grudge against him that rears its head for the parallel storyline.

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A vendetta grudge? Why? Because of his unusually violent methods for a superhero?

 

[Vaermina]

Wait, which future are you talking about? When it comes to the X-Men, there's like a dozen different bad futures that they've either seen or visited via time travel, so it can be tricky to keep track of them all.

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The Hickman one's.

 

[Coltsguy]

A vendetta grudge? Why? Because of his unusually violent methods for a superhero?

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Maybe. Who knows, honestly?

 

[ForeverShogo]

On the Marvel stuff, as mentioned, there are a lot of bad future timelines. I think I remember it even being kind of a gimmick for the likes of Cable and Bishop. Traveling back in time to stop <insert apocalypse here>, thinking they'd saved the day, and returning to the future only to find some other apocalyptic event doomed either humanity as a whole or just the mutants. Usually mutant stuff, because the X-Men only really care about mutant issues and rarely help with anything beyond the scope of mutant stuff. In fact, if you ask for their help and you aren't a mutant they're likely to be massive assholes towards you. At least in the modern comics.

Though to be fair, the non-mutant heroes also tend to ignore anything that can be considered mutant issues.

The future that Paul described to Trask is from the Krakoa era. Which was when mutants as a whole were increasingly being portrayed as kind of massive dicks. With even the X-Men spouting mutant supremacist rhetoric, and the answer to the use of mutants as expies for <insert civil rights issue here> was apparently that we should totally bring back segregation.

To get to the future bits . . . If I remember right . . . Moira, one of Xavier's girlfriends, was apparently doing mental time travel where she'd live out her life, die for whatever reason, and then her mind would go back in time and overwrite the mind of her past self. Just doing a bunch of loops to try to avert some terrible future, and enabling shady shit to try to do so.

This terrible future? Human technology would advance to the point that humans could just freely give themselves superpowers and a bunch of other really cool stuff. Humanity became super awesome and the future was super cool. So naturally you might ask why this was terrible. Because the "normal" humans that could do anything left the mutants behind. No horrible apocalypse. No genocide. The rest of humanity just left the mutants to their own devices, to develop however they wished.

This future was a "bad" future because, in the end, it turned out the mutants were irrelevant and people like Moira, Xavier, and Magneto couldn't handle that.

I hear things went in an even stupider direction after that, but I didn't really bother keeping up after that. I'm not big on the X-Men. They're kind of boring.