With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

The thing about Batman stealing the ring is not that it's immediately useful to Peter (though who knows what the future holds, a long-drained power ring getting a kickstart to save the day is exactly the kind of Chekhov's gun that you'd see in a superhero universe after all). It's that:

A) it belongs to him
B) isn't being used to commit a crime and never has been as far as anyone can tell (indeed, all the arguments that he doesn't need it are also saying that it can't be used to commit a crime)
C) Batman really has no right to take it beyond satisfying his own controlling tendencies

In fact, Batman has a lot of reason to be wary here: if Peter finds out it was stolen and doesn't accept his reasons for taking it... well, he knows who Batman is. He has enough resources to get actual proof and present it credibly to a wide audience. While we can probably assume that Peter wouldn't retaliate like that, Batman doesn't know him that well and in any case is too paranoid to assume he wouldn't.

Basically the moment Batman heard the name Wayne he should have re-evaluated his plan entirely. But he didn't, and now I personally want to see him regretting that.

Say, I wonder if Peter had a curse put on the ring to punish thieves? That would be incredibly amusing and kind of in character.

*Edit* Come to think of it that's exactly the type of spell I could see OL's greed-based magic excelling at, not that Peter knows any.

 

He also had an orange power ring technically I suppose

 

Well that sounds ridiculously fucking stupid.

 

Nah, Canada. Look up our telecommunications; it'd drive the SI absolutely bugshit. 90% of telecommunications in this country is owned by three companies that totally aren't a cartel, nudge-nudge-wink-wink.

The result is that all smaller ISPs end up 'renting' the infrastructure of the mega companies who basically don't give a shit if it doesn't work like it ought to.

 

I love my Batty-Sue.

As long as he is written intelligently and not just 'because I'm Batman' that is. Most of the time they get it right.

Yeah he broke a few dozen laws again. But have you guys seen the old cartoons lately? He was already breaking a few dozen laws before that, including some fraud and embezzlement. He paid for the Watchtower in the DCAU series. How did no one notice the funds going out? Even ESPECIALLY the wealthiest business owners/CEOs still have some over site. Even if he (somehow) managed to retain 100% control of the company at that gargantuan size without anti-trust laws being brought down on you, the tax man will be checking your books carefully. Fraud HAS to be going on.

And I don't care, because he is saving lives, I will choose to look the other way on some minor violations. After all, Wyatt Earp was a hero of the old west, but he broke many laws and had a few conflicts of interest.

 

No, DC made both origins true.

Alan's ring and lantern were carved from a melted GLC lantern and ring, and was powered by the Starheart/Green Flame of Life.

Just like in Superman/Green Lantern Hal was able to recharge his ring from Alan's magic lantern.

Before DC did this "rings are solid emotion" nonsense, the power rings were just batteries.

 

Yeah, but in the DCAU Batman helped create a number of long term problems for the Justice league and his paranoid law breaking has also done a lot to create problems for him self with his family as well as his enemies.
As for Wyatt Earp he may be remembered as a hero but a lot of that is because he lived long enough to tell his story to some of the first people to make movies. He started out as a criminal and for most of his life was mostly interested in making money, which is why he and his brothers were in Tombstone.

 

You all are obsessing about Batman; I'm just impressed that the Justice League of Earth-12 is having a formal review session after a defeat to discuss what went wrong and how they can prevent future defeats.

That's (chef's kiss) exactly the time of rational thinking we're all here for, right?

See, that's the sort of clear thinking they can do when they want to. No wonder the Justice Lords version of them was able to take over so easily.

 

The problem here isn't that Bats broke any laws. The problem is he's fucking with someone he probably shouldn't, messing with an object he knows nothing about, and is now about to draw the Guardians into it...and who knows what they might do?

Now, we never saw Larfleeze in JLU obviously....but does that mean he really isn't there? If this Paul goes for his fake ring for...really any reasons, and ends up giving a tug much like Paul-16 did, and that gets Larfleeze's attention?

Good job Wayne.

What if the Guardians get paranoid, and want to toss this Paul into a science cell, or something worse? He's done nothing to deserve it.

The problem is, that once again, Batman did whatever the fuck he wanted to do, because he ALWAYS thinks that he knows best. That this is a cornerstone of who he is...and no one ever calls him on it, and then when he brushes them off with his arrogance, actually DOES something about it.

Making that worse, is not only does Batman seemingly exclusively fuck with his own allies. But the universe often seems to bend and twist, just to make him right.

Finally, he stole Paul's god damn ring for no reason other then he's a fucking asshole.

I mean, just imagine another character treating Batman like he treats others. Imagine Superman just walking up into his cave and fucking with his shit whenever he felt like it. OH, and with Bat's amazing plot powers NOT kicking in for once.

 

Here’s an idea. Paul slips into the Batcave and takes
rhe computer. He leaves behind a note saying “You took my ring, so I’ll play with your methods. I will accept a trade”

 

Either way, rather looking forward to seeing if Earth-12 Justice League will ever meet their counterparts on Earth-16.

I mean, they've met Paul, so another encounter is bound to happen again some day.

DIANA-12: You seem awfully... friendly with your Orange Lantern

DIANA-16: Well, he IS a friend, and a citizen of Themyscira.

DIANA-12: WAIT... YOUR Themyscira allows MEN to set foot on the island?!

DIANA-16: Why wouldn't we? I mean, it would certainly be incredibly tragic if we had to exile or execute my son for example, just because of his gender.

DIANA-12: YOU HAVE A SON?!

 

This is largely why I did not give this part a Like.

 

Oh god I'm getting How it should have ended Darth Vader flashbacks.

 

Wait, so you are also envisioning a totally-hyped Diana-12 enthusiastically bragging to all the major players of DCAU that SHE has a SON?

Why is this a problem for you?

 

Peter, doesn't have the mystical ninja skills needed to pull something like that off.

 

Yes, but rather than ecstatic, Diana-12 would likely be more shocked for the most part, while Diana-16 might troll her a little...

DIANA-12: Alright. You have a son. Okay. (takes deep breath) ...Who's the father?

DIANA-16: Lex Luthor.

DIANA-12: THE F@#$?!

DIANA-16: Oh, and Superman.

DIANA-12: ....Wait, what?

 

Diana-16:: “Well, yeah. Honestly that was kind of Paul’s fault too. There’s literally an entire generation of children on Themyscira named for him.”

Diana-12: ..... [Brain shutdown in progress]

 

It also wouldn't have the same impact. You'd need to take something immensely powerful, yet potentially corrupting, and less a part of Batman's core identity.

Paul would need to steal Wayne Enterprises.

 

SUPERMAN-16: We do. That's why we call him in to make observations from time to time.

PLASTIC MAN-16: Just, uh, don't do anything he considers REALLY unheroic. Last Doctor Fate, Nabu, found that out the hard way....

FLASH-12: OKAY, message well received! Don't piss off the resourceful ring-user!

FLASH-16: ....Wally? Is that you?

 

So... remember why Manhunter-12 didn't read the mind of his Justice Lord counterpart? How badly would he react to how fundamentally different the Martians of Earth 16, as Zoat has detailed them, are?

 

Well, they’re not extinct, for one thing.

 

Yeah... and how fundamentally different they are from how his people were would hammer how the latter are extinct, with the exception of himself.

 

Of course he doesn't. But he probably has someone on his payroll who does.

 

Yeah, that 'Batman always knows best' attitude is why he ended up a living all alone at Wayne manor having left Gotham hardly any better than he left it and having more or less ruined the lives of every member of the Bat family that was still alive when Batman beyond started.

 

It was a lot more complex then that.

Also Barbra turned out perfectly fine, so I wouldn't say he ruined her life.

 

Nothing quite as satisfying as pulling the stick out of someone's ass and taking a swing at the back of their head.

 

I bet the guardians the Guardians destroy it rather then giving it back, any takers.

 

*Themyscira

*members

*Giving

*And you think

Also, this is the same day the Roanoke Massacre happened, for those unaware.

 

It's always nice to see common sense win the day.