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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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"Yes, exactly." She then twitches as she actually hears what I just said. "No! Nonono!"

I stand, grinning maniacally, purple and green bubbles bubbling from my horn.

"THEN PREPARE FOR EVIL AS YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE EXPERIENCED IT! BAWHAHAHAW!"

I turn and prance away. Now I just need to find a lawyer.
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Mr Zoat, you clearly had WAY too much fun writing this caper. :) I approve!
 
As suzerain of Earth, he could seek restitution from the use of the mirror as a villain disposal tool; he could also try a suit for harassment given the number of preemptive attacks he's received in Equestria. Rainbow being served a restraining order would amuse me.

I'm having a hard time thinking up pony lawyer names. Mal Practice? Silver Tongue? Will Fleecim?
 
NO! NOT A LAWYER!

GRAYVEN! TOO FAR MAN!

Though seriously, he could do a lot of damage.

And the restriction of only working on "evil" ponies is a bit weird too. Like, what if someone is depressed because of a chemical inbalance. Can the magic of friendship do nothing than?

Seems worrying that the only thing friendship magic seems to be good for is to defeat enemies. Like, true friendship can only be created by fighting villains together. That's a bad message to send.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Anyone remember when Sunset Shimmer was introduced?
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Is this a joke?
Handlewithcare said:
NO! NOT A LAWYER!

GRAYVEN! TOO FAR MAN!

Though seriously, he could do a lot of damage.

And the restriction of only working on "evil" ponies is a bit weird too. Like, what if someone is depressed because of a chemical inbalance. Can the magic of friendship do nothing than?

Seems worrying that the only thing friendship magic seems to be good for is to defeat enemies. Like, true friendship can only be created by fighting villains together. That's a bad message to send.
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They're not talking about magic in general. Just their megaweapons. And this is an off the cuff response from Twilight.
 
Could ask Discord to help out, use Fluttershy to actually follow through and such.

He is a god of chaos and can do whatever he wants.
 
Mr Zoat said:
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Is this a joke?
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No. This story is very long and the wiki has virtually no information on it. I remember her walking around on fingertips and toes, remember that stuff was amusing, and want to reread it.

I cannot remember what episode it happened in, the episode wasn't called "Introducing Sunset Shimmer", so it's difficult to find.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"It uses examples from your own life to prove to you that having any aim results in failure and misery."

Rainbow Dash looks decidedly unimpressed. "That's it? So it doesn't… Turn you into a warthog, or make you get old super fast or turn your legs into sand or… Anything?"

"I spent days raving in anguish before it got shut down."

She exhales dismissively.
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Clearly, Rainbow (and the others, from the sound of it) have never experienced (or know someone who has) the effects of clinical depression.
 
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"Let me-." I hold up my forehooves. The eight of us are sitting in the station's café, the staff having taken one look at us and then abandoned any attempt to enforce the closing times. "Let me make sure that I'm understanding what you're telling me. Just before he was turned to stone by Celestia and Luna, Discord developed some kind of magic-nullifying vine thing-"

Twilight Sparkle nods. "Plunderseed Vines."
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Oh, boy, a quick lesson in recent Equestrian History. Just what we need to work out the timeline.

"-and threw the seeds around, intending for them to sprout… At some point in the future. A little while ago they did sprout. kidnapped Celestia and Luna from Canterlot and dragged them back to the Everfree… Somehow. Without anyone noticing. Again… Somehow."

Rarity frowns, her right forehoof tapping her snout as she tries to work out how that could have happened.
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Yes, that part is just a little bit suspicious, isn't it...

"So you went into the Everfree, fought through the vines, put the Elements back on the Tree of Harmony because… It turns out that they're actually some kind of fruit? And that sent out a blast of harmonious magic which destroyed the vines, except… Maybe it didn't, so you've got to leave them there in case it missed any. And you got a box. Which… Random items you picked up over the next few months turned into keys for. And when you opened it, there was a rainbow inside, which made you all rainbow coloured, drained Tirek and built Twilight a new house. And then vanished."
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So, this is post season 4, before or early in season 5. And of course the elements are completely unavailable...

Applejack nods. "That's about the size of it."

I study Rainbow Dash while my mind spins. Apparently, I somehow missed two harmony-based magical mega-weapons.
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Damn Starswirl's Mirror and it's awful sense of dramatic timing.

"So did…" I point at her with my right forehoof. "She keep a bit, or is she naturally..?"

Rainbow Dash metaphorically preens. "I'm aaaaall natural."
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Phrasing, Young pegasus!

"So… What happens next time… Picking an example at random here… Another evil magic user like… Queen Crysalis or… Grogar? Puts in an appearance?"

Twilight thinks for a moment, then shrugs with her wings oh that's cheating!
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Well, I suppose they had to have some form of gesture to indicate cluelessness...

"I.. guess we'd.. just have to fight them without the Elements. Or we'd find a new magic artefact and beat them with that."

Pinkie Pie nods enthusiastically. "Or we could use the Crystal Heart!"
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Oh, Pinkie, you and your big mouth. I can already picture Twilight Face-hoofing.

Crystal Heart. Not sure it's really what I was.. looking for, but… I'll take what I can get. Even if it only sets the Anti-Life fragment back a little it'll have been worth it.

"And where's that?"

There's a slight.. intake of breath from several of the ponies.
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Bad idea, I take it.

"Ah…" Twilight looks around to see if anyone has an idea on how best to lie to me. "It's… A… Long way away?"

Over to my left, Sunset Shimmer rolls her eyes and shakes her head at her successor's dishonesty failure.
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I'm reminded of Mass Effect 2, and Aethyta's reaction to Conrad Verner's explanation of how he ended up in her bar.

"But why do you want us to use something like that on you, anyway? If you're.. evil, you wouldn't want us to, and if you're not evil…" She frowns. "I actually don't know what they do to ponies who aren't evil."

"What about someone who is afflicted by some sort of evil magic but isn't evil themselves?"

"Um. Well, the Elements of Harmony removed the Nightmare from Princess Luna, so I guess they can tell the difference?"
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Joy, magical artefacts with a moral code. I don't know if that's better or worse.

Applejack doesn't look convinced. "Beggin' yer pardon, Twi, but didn't the rainbow make Tirek how he was before he started stealin' everyponies' magic? How exactly is he s'poss ta be good?"

"Ahhh… It… Put him in Tartarus and it put Nightmare Moon on the moon the first time. Maybe it-."
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So it's basically Deus Ex Machina with attitude. Definitely worse.

"Okay, you and Sunset try working that out together. I'm going to go to a library, find out where this Crystal Heart thing is, then-."

"No!" Twilight's eyes widen. "You-."

"Oh just tell him why not." Sunset takes a couple of steps forward. "Applejack, you're 'honesty', right?"
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Ah, she got that far in the history book before Celestia told her to stop?

"That ain't exactly how it works, sugarcube." She looks around the Bearerherd. "But if Graven here's really got some kinda evil magic makin' him look like that, I fer one think we oughta tell him."

Twilight sighs. "Okay, but-. You look a lot like a pony called King Sombra. He used to rule a place called the Crystal Empire, which is where the Crystal Heart is. If you go there, everyone would be terrified."
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I suspect enough bricks will be shat to build a brownstone...

"Ah, Twilight?" Rarity frowns thoughtfully. "If the ponies of the Crystal Empire are confronted with somepony who looks like something out of their worst nightmares… Wouldn't that prevent the Crystal Heart from working?"

"Yes! You're right!" She smiles as a reason for preventing me from going there hits her. "Which means that there's no point in you going there!"
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She seems so proud of her logic. Then again, she is trying to convince them not to go near her brother and sister-in-law's kingdom...

Sunset frowns. "Why? What does it need to work?"

"The love of all of the crystal ponies. If they see you, it won't get any power. And the spells keeping the Crystal Empire warm would stop working as well and they'll freeze to death!"
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And guess what happens a season from now...

She's probably right, Lantern. You could probably sneek in and use it covertly, but if the Zamarons couldn't purify you with love I doubt that these primitives would manage any better.

Yes. Still: no harm in throwing them a bone…
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I suspect it will take something a lot more balanced emotionally to purge. Something closer to the Life Equation (Hiss! The New 52, it burns us!)

"Love? Don't Changelings feed on that?" I smile. "Can I assume that the Crystal Heart is well protected? Walls, defensive spells, that sort of thing?"

Twilight sort of freezes. "Y-es?"
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Oh, she hadn't considered that at all. And now she's realising she has to very quickly write a long letter to Shining Armor...

"Good show. I'd hate to think that a changeling could just walk up to it and eat their fill. So how about taking me to this 'Tree of Harmony' thing and blasting me with the Elements there? You don't even need to take them off it."

Fluttershy peers out from behind Pinkie Pie and her own mane.

"Why do you think you need us to use the Elements on you? If you don't mind telling us."
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Ah, the gentlest soul asking the hardest questions.

"I've got a… Let's call it a curse. It tries to change the way I think. At the moment there's… Another spell keeping it contained, but the containment is gradually weakening. When Sunset described the way magic worked here, I began to hope that a sufficiently powerful harmony-related effect could permanently destroy it. And.. now that I've learned that you could easily regain the ability to generate such blasts, I'm… Really not sure what the problem is?"

Twilight tilts her head to the right. "It's just a curse?"

"It's a… Little worse than 'just a curse', but… Yes?"
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Calling it a mere Curse is woefully underselling the danger involved...

She sits up a little straighter, smiling in what I expect she intends to be a reassuring way. "Why don't-" Her horn lights up." "-you let me take a loo-"

I generate a yellow barrier and a suit of yellow barding.

"-kkkkk…? Or… Not?"
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No! Nonononononononono! Do not let the strongest magic-user in Equestria anywhere near the depression-bomb!

"It's a memetic hazard, Twilight. It wants to be spread. If you touch it then it will claim you as well and then you won't be able to use the Elements. That's why you shooting me with them is such a great solution: it's one way. No chance for feedback."

"Okay… What does it do?"

"It uses examples from your own life to prove to you that having any aim results in failure and misery."
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Again, woefully underselling it.

Rainbow Dash looks decidedly unimpressed. "That's it? So it doesn't… Turn you into a warthog, or make you get old super fast or turn your legs into sand or… Anything?"

"I spent days raving in anguish before it got shut down."
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I don't think they've ever been that depressed, ever. It's like trying to describe colour to a person who's been blind since birth. There is simply no compatible frame of reference.

She exhales dismissively.

"Mister Graven…" Twilight looks like she's about to break some bad news. "I'm happy to try looking at this curse for you, but… We only use the Elements on bad ponies. You're trying to remove a curse and that's… Fine, but it doesn't make you bad."

I nod. "So what you're saying is, that if I become more evil then you'll use the Elements on me?"
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So you're going to need to be the bad guy? Oh, boy. He's gonna earn a Cutie Mark of Ham, if he hasn't already got one.

"Yes, exactly." She then twitches as she actually hears what I just said. "No! Nonono!"

I stand, grinning maniacally, purple and green bubbles bubbling from my horn.
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Oh, this promises much hilarity.

"THEN PREPARE FOR EVIL AS YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE EXPERIENCED IT! BAWHAHAHAW!"

I turn and prance away. Now I just need to find a lawyer.
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Whoa! There's evil, and then there's Evil, Grayven, let's not get carried away!

Well, this promises to be interesting, in the funny way. And suddenly, I'm picturing all his attempts being foiled by Ponies being, well, Ponies. Or Wilson itself causing everything he tries to end up being good instead. Destroy a building? Turns out it was scheduled to be demolished tomorrow!:D

Correction:
You could probably sneek in...
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You could probably sneak in...
 
The white light does seem to be a good thing for fighting anti-life, but Zoat mentioned something about the OLC trying to access it to ressurect someone.

Zoat can Paul see if someone has emotional enlightenment, he is friends with Guy and seemed to know that Mist had contact with the life entity and got enlightenment from that?
 
RichardWhereat said:
No. This story is very long and the wiki has virtually no information on it. I remember her walking around on fingertips and toes, remember that stuff was amusing, and want to reread it.

I cannot remember what episode it happened in, the episode wasn't called "Introducing Sunset Shimmer", so it's difficult to find.
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It was the April Fool's episode, Fool's Canon.
 
Sceptic said:
Yeah, the Grayven interlude on the Fool's Canon episode isn't memorable at all, nor is April the first easy to find.
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The trick, is in knowing it's in the Fool's Canon episode to begin with. I don't recall most of what happens in each episode, except for the really big arc endings.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Mister Graven…" Twilight looks like she's about to break some bad news. "I'm happy to try looking at this curse for you, but… We only use the Elements on bad ponies. You're trying to remove a curse and that's… Fine, but it doesn't make you bad."

I nod. "So what you're saying is, that if I become more evil then you'll use the Elements on me?"

"Yes, exactly." She then twitches as she actually hears what I just said. "No! Nonono!"
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Wait for Grayven has been good at being accidentally evil and ham evil proper evil... oh boy that's scary
Mr Zoat said:
I stand, grinning maniacally, purple and green bubbles bubbling from my horn.

"THEN PREPARE FOR EVIL AS YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE EXPERIENCED IT! BAWHAHAHAW!"
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Ah, so more ham then, GLORIOUS.

Mr Zoat said:
I turn and prance away. Now I just need to find a lawyer.
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doing it all legally, the evilest things I can imagine
 
Since pony names tend tend to be one word, (e.g. Applejack, Rarity), I suggest naming the lawyers Dewey (Pegasus, named after a weather phenomenon), Cheatum (unicorn - sounds similar to Trixie ), and Howe (Earth Pony, named after a farming implement)

Man, I miss Car Talk.
 
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No. This story is very long and the wiki has virtually no information on it. I remember her walking around on fingertips and toes, remember that stuff was amusing, and want to reread it.

I cannot remember what episode it happened in, the episode wasn't called "Introducing Sunset Shimmer", so it's difficult to find.
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Last year's April Fools episode.
 
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Yes, that part is just a little bit suspicious, isn't it...
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I sort of assume that they felt the vines start up and went to the Tree of Harmony without telling anyone, whereupon they were promptly ensnared.
Ah, she got that far in the history book before Celestia told her to stop?
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No, Luna covered it.
Correction: You could probably sneak in...
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Thank you, corrected.
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The white light does seem to be a good thing for fighting anti-life, but Zoat mentioned something about the OLC trying to access it to ressurect someone.

Zoat can Paul see if someone has emotional enlightenment, he is friends with Guy and seemed to know that Mist had contact with the life entity and got enlightenment from that?
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He knows that certain people look a little different. He doesn't know that it's a thing.
 
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