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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I've honestly never understood the Buzz over the "Super" Soldier serum in universe. Like...it's not THAT impressive. Given that most of what makes Steve such an asset is his tactical mind and good nature. Neither of which the serum has anything to do with.

    I also remember that it was originally just Steroid treatments. But yeah.

    I mean Stark's Iron-tech is what you'd want for "Super" Soldiers I would think. It's far more powerful, infinitely upgradable, and if said soldier goes rogue....you can take it from them. Granted, much like Batman, Steve CLEARLY has Super-human abilities at times rather then the Supra that he's supposed to have.

    Plus, in a world where the X-gene seems to be humanity's ultimate gift and destiny....it just seems like it'd be obsolete quickly.
     
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  2. Vaermina

    Vaermina I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    It's not, the X-Gene is just a rounding error from celestial experiments on the real prize baseline humanity.
     
  3. nick012000

    nick012000 Experienced.

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    The Super-Soldier Serum boosts everything about a person. Their body, their mind, even their morality. A smart person becomes smarter, a personable person becomes more charismatic, a good person becomes a true hero, an evil person becomes a wicked villain.
     
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  4. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    And they are still at the bottom end of the getting your ass kicked by super powers pool.

    That was the only thing that the Civil war storyline did right, showing how utterly outmatched Cap would be towards Iron man.

    God, that part of the movie annoyed me so fucking much. Like, I didn't mind Cap hitting Tony with shield, that's totally cool.

    But then he starts pounding away at Tony's TANK SHELL PROOF armor as if that would do anything other than shatter his hands. Jesus Christ, he even starts to work the body. Like, oh yeah Steve, those body shots are going to go right through Tony's titanium, resisted strikes from fucking THOR, armor, into his abs, tighten up the muscles to restrict breathing and then sink into his legs to restrict movement (Why you work the body in a fight 101).

    Now I"m all annoyed again. Don't even get me started on Steve managing to overpower SPIDER-MAN for fucks sake. Parker could have solo'd Cap's entire fucking team. With only G.I.Ant-man able to more than get the fuck smack laid down upon him.
     
  5. TheDudeMan400

    TheDudeMan400 Getting out there.

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    Doesn't MCU Captain America have super strength and durability and endurance rather than just peak human?
     
  6. Vaermina

    Vaermina I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Three things.

    MCU Captain America is blatantly superhuman with an easy lift and hold weight of somewhere over a ton.

    Steve overpowered Spider-Man via physics abuse not brute strength.

    Wanda was on Steve's team.


    He in fact does.
     
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  7. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    As I recall, peak human was the stated outcome, but just like Batman, he's clearly super-human.

    However, he's still not shown to be so super-human that his punches have more force than Tank Shells. The Mark III was blasted out of the sky in Iron man, and Tony was barely even rattled. He got right up and blew it to pieces.

    So whatever much more advanced suit he was wearing in that movie, would have tanked (no pun intended) Steve's punches no problem. While Steve would have been shattering his bones.

    That being said, the director/s are self admitted Cap fanboys....so as per the norm, someone gets made to look worse, to elevate their preferred character.
     
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  8. RagnarokAscendant

    RagnarokAscendant Came Here for WTR

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    And now you know why there's endless fanfic that isn't Team Cap Friendly.
     
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  9. Nervaqus987

    Nervaqus987 Versed in the lewd.

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    Hulk would have left by now.

    He originally left because Enchantress put Bruce in a mindlock and started whispering aggravating thoughts into his mind, which combined with his own winning personality and friction with Thor resulted in them fighting.

    Then Enchantress and her fuckboi who's name escapes me show up for the supervillain fight with the Avengers and are eventually driven off. Hulk says fuck it and leaves.

    The Avengers go looking for him and eventually end up in the Arctic where they found Captain America.

    Agreed.

    Now, if it the super concentrated/improved version that gave Sentry his powers that would be an entirely different matter. That asshole is disgustingly powerful.
     
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  10. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Worst thing? I'm totally on team Cap's side. They are just....Really outgunned.

    Typically Skurge the Executioner.

    I'm sorry, that is a character that exists for me where the Nu52 exist for Zoat.
     
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  11. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    What about Hyperion?
     
  12. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I have no direct opinion on the Titan god of heavenly light
     
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  13. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    Ah, I didn't actually know it was a titans name, guess my Greco-Roman history paper was a fkn waste.

    What about I can't believe it's not superman?
     
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  14. Vaermina

    Vaermina I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You might want to go back and actually watch that fight.

    Because Tony's suit did tank those punches with no problem.

    The only thing that actually did any real damage to the suit was Captain America's vibranium shield.
     
  15. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Looks like a completely pointless character that Marvel in no way needs. One that I have heard of, but in all my years of reading...have never actually seen show up in an issue. Gladiator I've at least seen. Trying to shoehorn The Sentry into the Hulk mythos just pissed me off.

    Marvel already has a Superman analog....his name is Thor.

    Seriously, read early Thor. Right down to the "Hurricane" Breath.

    The problem with all the Superman expys in Marvel is that they are simply trying too hard. You take one look and go "Oh, Superman."

    Be inspired by a concept. Don't copy wholesale.
     
  16. Jack of Olives

    Jack of Olives Knows just enough to be dangerous.

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    I think the idea is mass-production. While one person enhanced by the serum is low-powered (among supers, anyway), fielding squads of soldiers with superhuman physique would be a game-changer as far as warfare goes.

    It's what the original plan for the serum was, after all; give the USA (an possibly it's allies) troops that are significantly stronger, faster, and tougher then the Axis'.

    Edit: Also, I agree; the 'Iron-Man' option would probably be a better way to go.
     
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  17. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You've not been keeping up with the X-men comics, it seems.

    Humanity's ultimate destiny is transhumanism, joining the Phalanx Singularity that exists in the event horizons of black holes.

    The fact that makes the Phalanx far less pathetic than previous depictions is just something to ignore.

    That is, if the X-Men don't stop it. So transhumanism=bad in the X-titles.

    Something that a Marvel Alt.Paul would appreciate immensely, I'm sure. :)

    And don't get me started on how stupid that is, when the mutants have the like of Forge the superhuman inventive genius, Box the technokinetic, and Apokalips the technnomorph, so mutants would be @#$#$ing better at transhumanism like everything else.
     
  18. SotF

    SotF Making the rounds.

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    Family court tends to function a bit differently since it's normally without observers barring some major exceptions (You don't typically have the viewing gallery) in order to protect the minors involved.

    Unless he's doing more than a simple adoption, there is likely to be those invited by either interested faction, the judge, the bailiff, the recorder, and a representative from CPS which is normally the one to check the suitability for the new parent, and the lawyer or lawyers involved.

    If it's contested, there are normally witnesses.

    Adoption proceedings and a lot of family court level stuff tends to also not have a jury involved, and have more leeway unless major felonies are involved.
     
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  19. Vaermina

    Vaermina I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Eh, that's just in a couple of fail dimensions, others have Humanity become the next Celestials.
     
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  20. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    I imagine part of the focus on the superserum is the symbolic aspect, but aside from that, it's really not a bad choice as far as first step Transhumanism goes.

    Even if it's argued that Zoat's buffed it here then wasn't um, I think it was called the Eternity Serum? Well I think there was supposed to be a knock off of the super serum that was responsible for extending the lifespan of the original Nick Fury to the 2000's.
     
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  21. Mist of Shadows

    Mist of Shadows I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Like a ring scan? That's one of the first things I'd check if I got dropped in Marvel and Mutants were being treated worse than every other group of altered humans/aliens.
     
  22. Threadmarks: Equestrian Girls (part 11)
    Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I feel the mechanics of civilisation
    clank and whir about me


    Canterlot is a city perched upon the peak of a mountain. It has no farming and no mining. I can feel the twisting effect its location and nature are having on the supply networks of the country. Only dimly; it would be far more accurate if I had roots here rather than simply being an interloper -and if I was sovereign I would already be ordering the place torn down- but the discomfort caused by the inefficiency is palpable. Too much fuel being consumed, too many train lines in the wrong places. And the stupefying effect it's having on governance is worse, if anything. Something to bear in mind when I become ruler: make sure that there are other sources of authority. Not in the sense of division of powers necessarily, but make it so that there are government officers that can make policy decisions on their own.

    I wonder if that's what Cadance is? Why she's in charge of a single city, even though her special talent doesn't lend itself to that sort of work? Is Celestia planning on assigning alicorns to every major city, recreating the elector system of the Holy Roman Empire? I'd need to know more about how special talents work to be certain, but I don't think that's a good idea. Celestia can get by on experience, but having civil servants defer unquestioningly to someone who doesn't know what they're doing is a recipe for disaster. Putting them in charge of areas of national government relating to their specialities makes far more sense, once they've got enough government experience to actually do something useful there. In the interim, using Cadance as an ambassador and Twilight as a champion makes the most sense.

    Where would be the best place for a capital? Ponies don't eat fish, and waterways are already decreasing in importance for the transport of goods. That means that the usual go-to of the largest coastal city isn't appropriate. If Canterlot were abandoned then mining the useful minerals from the Foal Mountains becomes far easier, and the existing railway nexus in Ponyville makes it ideal as far as that's concerned. Ponyville has lumber and agriculture, but no mining or heavy manufacturing. The land between Ponyville and Canterlot could be zoned for heavy industry, but it would have to be built up before it became the new capital.

    I wonder if I can claim-.


    The world shudders as somepony intrudes in my psyche. I should have seen this coming, really. Given what I've been up to it's only natural that she'd want to take a peek. And that knowledge is why I don't fly into a rage at the idea of someone getting inside my head, but I still need to stop her before she does something infuriating. The lower depths of my psyche will remain inviolate unless she tries brute forcing it in a way that would almost certainly wake a normal person up, so I don't think she'll risk it.

    I look around at the industrialised reimagining of Equestria I've instinctively created.

    And I imagine that this will be at least a little curious to her: the way I think about her country and how it should be. Good job I wasn't dreaming of Apokolips again. All too often those end up as a mishmash of Apokolips and some other place, and… I don't want to see Equestokolips.

    So where is the little lunar sneak?

    I look up at the moon. Hm. No, nothing there. No structures, no air, no infrastructure. Some resources, but nothing that wouldn't be far easier to mine on the surface. Nowhere on Equestria has special significance to me personally, her presence is too diffuse to track by simply looking

    No. She's a ruler. Her being here after a thousand years of autocracy under her sister throws so many things into disarray. I should be able to track her with that. Mother Box, boom tube to the throne room.

    Ping.

    Boom!

    I float through, curious to discover that my dream-body is still a pony. An equine anyway; I'm sure that I'm big enough to count as a horse. I'm not sure if horses are a thing here…

    Ah.

    The throne room is decorated in Apokoliptian style. Not the neo-brutalist style of the throne's current occupant, but in the techno-medieval style of Queen Heggra. Though.. not an exact replica. It's not in her colours, and some of the stylistic flourishes are different.

    I smile as I realise that I unconsciously redesigned it for Sunset.

    Well, she is my investment in this world, isn't she? And all this 'alicorn=princess' business… No, focus. I can feel the pressure on the bureaucracy that comes from having a new and unpredictable master to serve. I can feel it come from the halls of government, but where does it go?

    That way. Hm, naturally. Mother Box.

    Ping.

    Boom!

    I walk through the tube and out into the cave containing the Tree of Harmony. The tree itself… Smaller than I thought it would be, but I suppose that it's just a representation. The shadows ripple slightly as the tube closes…

    "My soul. My place of power. The place where my godhood shines most brightly."

    The walls around me flare with light, denying Luna any shadows to hide in. She's ejected, tumbling forth to sprawl at my hooves!

    "Did you think you could hide from me here? I'm genuinely curious."

    She comes to her hooves, glaring at me.

    "We felt-." She cuts herself off, looking concerned.

    "You're cut off from magic until I choose to allow it. I've gotten very good at controlling intruders. What do you want?"

    "We were hoping to learn more of your character. Who you are when you are not presenting a front. We see that We will not be able to, so We will simply ask."

    I nod sarcastically. "It can save time."

    "What have you done with the-? With 'Party Popper'?"

    "Assuming I haven't moved in my sleep, she's lying next to me. I've got experience in comforting children, and apparently having someone big and nurturing next to her triggered her foal instincts." I narrow my eyes. "Naturally I will kill anyone who tries to hurt her."

    "None will. Once Twilight Sparkle concluded her screaming and Pinkie Pie informed Us of the cause, We began making arrangements for Party Popper to become a citizen of Equestria in her own right."

    "And the ones Twilight killed?"

    "Despite what you thought that you knew, they truly were returned to the mirror pool."

    Oh. Huh.

    She studies my face, perhaps trying to see whether or not my deceit was deliberate or the result of ignorance. Guess I misremembered that episode. "Thou truly didst not know?"

    "I knew that Twilight shot them and they went 'poof'. That was it." Hm. "What happens to them now?"

    "They will be granted physical forms once more once we have prepared to receive them."

    Okay, yes, good, but the important part…

    "And am I getting shot with the Elements anytime soon?"

    She looks around the still-blinding white chamber. "We were hoping to see some sign of your curse. If you are truly in need, We will see what can be done."

    Hmmm…

    "Alright. It should be safe enough to let you look at the thing. Don’t touch it, don't touch the cage it's in. Am I clear?"

    Her eyes narrow. "We are a Princess of Equestria. We do not need-."

    "You BROKE INTO MY BRAIN. You are a SNEAK THIEF. You will follow my instructions because I know what I'm talking about."

    She lifts her head up. "Very well. Show Us this curse."

    I maintain eye contact for a moment, then allow the lights to dim.

    Mother Box. Boom tube to Starswirl's Mirror.

    Ping.

    Boom!

    I lead the way through, trotting into the palace corridor, through the mirror -our forms don’t change, perhaps because we're not literally going through it- and into Sunset's laboratory. Luna glances around curiously as we head out into the corridor, and then into a lift that doesn't exist in reality.

    "Going all the way down."
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    What do you think he's scanning for? Which out of the thousands of microbes in the human body is responsible? Does Sublime even exist in this setting?
     
  24. The Chosen One

    The Chosen One Getting out there.

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    I actually took in a teen girl last year, from California. Not adoption or fostering, though; her parents just went down to the courthouse, signed a form transferring custody to a stranger, and drove her to my apartment after. She lived with me and my roommate for 8 months, finished high school, and went on her way.

    I opened myself up to some amount of liability in the process, sure, but I've worked with kids my whole life and I, uh, well, I don't want to use the phrase "know how to avoid suspicion" because that sounds creepy in itself, and the point is that I actually am not a creep, but, that's the kind of thing they actually teach in the industry: how to keep witnesses and documents at hand so no one has reason to doubt your motivations when otherwise they might just on principle.

    I just helped her with math, talked her through her first breakup, stocked the pantry, and made sure she didn't get in too much trouble with the weed and such. Overall a good experience, hope to do it again sometime.

    EDIT: Oh, and we're back in canterlot. The ONE TIME I have a relevant anecdote!
     
  25. Rebu

    Rebu gentle hands and the heart of a fighter

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    I think it's still relevant, actually.
    Can you dual mantle? Because I'm pretty sure ol' Gravy's becoming the New God of Foster Dadding.

    EDIT: I have now read the relevant section of the FAQ and know mantling isn't a thing in this story. Please stop telling me.
     
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  26. Vaermina

    Vaermina I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Because surely you need an imaginary representation of Mother Box to move around in your own dream.

    Ah, so Grayven truly was talking out of his ass there.
     
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    Shotiegun11 Making the rounds.

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    The FAQ cries out in despair. Someone! Read me! I exist! Please don't ignore me.

    There is no FAQ.

    Or not. They were only magical constructs and when they 'died' they merely returned to the mirror, as if they didn't exist in the first place.

    BUT they could learn and grow and love and FEAR. So they were alive. At least in my own definition.
     
  28. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Seems like bit of a weak showing from Luna. Shouldn't she be stronger in god stuff than that?
     
  29. Vaermina

    Vaermina I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You said the word!

    Why! Why would you say the word!


    Yes, but remember Zoat nerfed the character so his SI could be more awesome.
     
  30. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    She spent a thousand years possessed and then got blasted by the orbital friendship cannon. Then she tried to get into a psyche of a being in her own weight class who specialised in stopping that sort of thing.
     
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