With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

While you might choose not to use it, that doesn't mean it's not there.

Especially when you're dealing with an omnipresent multiversal existence like the silver city.

 

... considering that he's the author I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means.

 

THANK YOU!

 

If he didn't want them to exist he probably should have avoided having his characters travel to universes where they very specifically do exist thereby causing his story to exist within the general multiverse that all of DC exists within.

 

Vaermina should get to play as Ambush bug sidekick next april fools chapter.

 

From DC fandom page, the voice of god seems to be the thing in control of the Spectre. The intermediary between him and God. Just because the Spectre isn’t there in this universe, doesn’t mean the voice isn’t there. So I thought that was a thing that might be there somewhere, just unconfirmed / unused - since it’s one of like 2 things on the page that the Presence uses to appear - the hand and the voice. The hand of god is confirmed (chrona saw it), and there needed to be something behind the mind of god idea, so I thought the Voice of God was there, but there was no Spectre chosen.
Basically Mind of God but real.
If that’s not the case and not what Varrmina was talking about I agree that it shouldn’t be a thing.

 

There is a different Presence for each universe though, right? Just because the Voice exists in one universe, doesn’t mean he will travel to a different one.

 

You’d need an Elder Scrolls crossover for that...

 

There's just one Presence that exists across the DC multiverse, and it was it which created said multiverse. But while there is just a single Presence it's such a complex and powerful being that there exists multiple aspects of it which is where "The Voice", "The Source", "The Wrath", "The Vengeance", "The Mercy", and "The Hand" come in.

 

Point still holds in that just because the Presence is Multiversal, and the Hand and the Source are confirmed, not all aspects have to exist in this universe. They could, but the Presence might (due to author fiat) decide to leave some out and see how things go. Or entirely different aspects might come up. Even if the Voice exists, doesn’t mean the Spectre does, or that Heaven is actually all that important to the Presence in this universe. The “do it all yourself” approach might extend that far up.
The Ophidian eating it’s way through Earth’s Heaven might not actually be a big universal-level threat, even if it succeeds. Remember, Heaven tends to not interfere and was somewhat useless anyways. It might not be working completely in line with what the Presence wants (one of it’s leaders wasn’t), and humans seem to be able to draw on the Source without the help of angels. Heaven might be getting left behind as humans ascend to be the next New Gods.
The main thing to remember is that here, Heaven isn’t “the place that the Presence rules/ lives in”, but just a place dedicated to worshipping him (which he may not need/want), a no longer needed intermediary between Man and the Presence. Angels have a heierarchy, with 4 kings, who all have free will, and the Presence may have purposefully stopped directing them to keep the status quo/make them think for themselves.

 

Keep in mind that like how there's only a single Presence there's also only a single Silver City.

The place exists outside the Speed Force barrier and collects souls from all the DC multiverse.

 

Who are we supposed to believe Zoat? You, who has plotted, planned, and executed the entirety of WTR Earth 16? Or Vaermina, the absolute authority on everything that seems to annoy Vaermina? Which is everything.

 

Except, the author has not stated or indicated that the Silver City is multiversal in his custom-made universe, nor has he stated that any of the other multitude of universes he's visited aren't also slightly modified so that they lack the multiversal being that he clearly stated is not in the story.

Also, he's has/will visit the Kung Fu Panda universe, the MLP universe, the Avatar(series) universe, the Captain Planet universe... are we going to say that any inherent aspects of those also exist in all of the DC universes?

 

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I guess so.

 

I like that Demons are considered to be less of a threat than John Constantine...

 

Are you also sure this is the same Silver City? It could be a lesser copy of that. Also, this is an AU fic, with some things similar to the DC universe. Major differences are ok. For one, OL doesn’t exist in canon earth 16, Vandal Savage is apparently a good guy in canon, and DC doesn’t have alternate timelines outside the 52 universes. Likewise, Constantine also doesn’t exist on Earth 16 in the same way, or half the Earth’s population would be killed by a human psyche monster due to him killing the guard dog.
As for King Fu Panda/MLP those could exist in the Cartoon Multiverse that the animated DC Multiverse is a part of - you’d just have to broaden your metaphysical distance of travel a bit, but Zoat could also go with there being 52 universes with some replaced.
There is also no proof that MLP/ Kung Fu Panda doesn’t exist in the DC universe - the scale of those stories is planetary, and there are so many planets in the universe, that they might just be in unexplored space or the far future. Even in canon, there’s large chunks of space that haven’t been explored, and the future isn’t very well known.

 

Or he could have traveled to another multiverse altogether.

 

It makes me wonder if he is on the warning sheets of ALL the national heritage sites. Cause let's be honest, if Constantine is showing up to any museum or perserve, shit has probably hit the fan.

 

Corrupted records my butt since we've seen that multiple multiverses can exist it may just be the records of the universe Multiverse that no longer exist and this might be a different Multiverse we have some similar things in it. Or she's rights in which case that says some very disturbing things like one the anti-monitor is very real and could very well destroy the universe which should really be wearing I mean some other possibilities also exist like necron in the Blackest Night and a bunch of other things.

 

And now I'm worried.

 

This may be a bit off point but I believe it was covered in some of the side novels that the only reason why Dream was able to be bond was that he was gravely weakened from fighting some kind of lovecraftian horror and that only the version of him that exists for Humanity was imprisoned.

I always thought that this made a lot more sense than having it be possible for a ritual conducted by relative amateurs with no major resources to fundamentally change the way that the entire universe works.

 

Extraneous space.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Yes, Earthlings are bullshit Hax. This is not news, surely?

Why not both, Paul?

Yes, a little cruel...

She finally released my shoulder, turning away and gesturing to the plastic enclosure with both hands.

That is a messy conjugation. I understand if it's 'natural speech,' but ouch.

How many times those nightmares became real, breaking into the material universe to wreak havoc?"

Human 'ingenuity' tends to have that effect on aliens, doesn't it?

And is this the first time he's actually said this to anyone? Revealing the nature of his knowledge to someone this way?

Quite the shock, yes...

"DC wanted a way to merge the superheroic setting of...

Huh...

So, someone knows the full truth. Wonder how long until someone else finds out...
And concerning implications about the Crisis, and its subsequent aftershocks (Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, etc...)

 

Wow.

This one got unexpectedly heavy.

I'm kinda excited to see where this goes.

...and still want to see what's happening with renegade.

...

I am conflicted.

 

Shouldn't Paul know that Delirium is a (corrupted / matured / changed) form of Delight? With Other Endless knowing of this and not considering the change something that could be fought off, avoided or reversed? Or that Destruction willingly abandoned his position to wander Earth, while setting everything into "automatic management mode"?

By the way, I am still of the opinion that Paul is here because of Delirium's devilish plan to transform herself again out of her current state, either back into Delight or, my personal favorite, into Discovery, governing and embodying change in the status quo and progress of the universe.

He should also be aware of Hob Gadling, probably the easiest to find way to approach Dream.

 

Nah, he told Jade.

 

He also told Constantine since Constantine knew someone who got pulled into comics before.

 

According to Zoat, Constantine thinks Paul meant that he was a comic book character pulled into the real world rather than the other way around.

 

Well, there is a precedent for it *looks pointedly at Flex Mentallo*.

 

Then how does that explain Paul knowing things like the Dog (or whatever that guard dog is called is Good? The original reason he asked Paul about how he knows things? Unless he thinks Paul is a comic character pulled into the real world from a world where the real world was in comics that Paul read? In which case, the fact that Earth prime is in Earth 16 comics doesn’t matter (also, really boring comics).