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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Whenever Possible

    Whenever Possible Versed in the lewd.

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    Source?
     
  2. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    The books... Because it's literally how blanks are described in them...

    Of course, they are also described as having "no souls" but that's because in warhammer a being's "soul" is the same as their "warp presence".

    At most Paul might be like the Tau in that his emotions cause a teeny tiny indentation into the warp. But that just means he's an easily accessed snack to any Daemon that might decide to nom him from The Warp.
     
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  3. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    His ring mat absorb any daemon that tries to do that, kinda like how Black Paul's ring absorbed the vampire demon that tried to take over.
     
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  4. PDV

    PDV Revelation That Uncertainty Is Itself An Answer

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    Not a phrase an American would use. Either "primary school" or "elementary school", honestly I'm unclear on the difference.

    Vampires. Not the heraldry of any particular lineage or knight of Mousillon AFAICT, but black fleur on yellow is the symbol of the duchy of Mousillon so it's clearly related.

    Sounded like they have a small herdstone in the village. That would definitely attract the unending hordes.

    And as to what has just happened:

     
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  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    It's not a herdstone. It's a standing stone. A very basic prototype of the network used on Albion and Ulthuan.
     
  6. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    Don't you usually leave the ending punctuation visible when you use invisitext actions?
     
  7. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Not as far as I remember.
     
  8. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Only way that happens is if Zoat re-writes the way Daemons work.
     
  9. m_d

    m_d Fascinated by storytelling

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    I've never played Warhammer, but I'm intrigued by this storyline. Kudos.

    An aside - I went back to read the earlier scenes in this continuity and found a conjugation error.
    Should be "hold".
     
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  10. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Seeing as daemons have never encountered a power ring before in any Warhammer setting anything Zoat writes about the effects a ring may have on them would not go against canon, since there is none.

    He can basically write whatever he likes about daemons and power rings and not be wrong since there isn't anything substantial to contradict it.
     
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  11. Mr Zoat

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  12. Threadmarks: Warhammered (part 4)
    Mr Zoat

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    4th Pflugzeit 2510
    Early afternoon


    "Sir Mallobaude, is that you?"

    The lead vampire reins in his… Undead horse a little ahead of his party, and regards the miserable knight with a look of sympathy. The four knights escorting him… One vampire, and the others… Wights, I think? They don’t have the flesh to be vampires, but their manner is too purposive to be skeletons or zombies dressed in armour.

    "Are you injured, sir?"

    The horses strike me as odd. I would have thought that a vampire pretending to be a human Bretonnian lord would have raised a living horse to be accustomed to the undead, but that's definitely not alive. It's not a skeletal horse… 'Nightmare'? It could be a reasonably intact zombie, or… I don't remember anything about non-human vampires in Warhammer, but I suppose it… Could be a vampire horse. Or a wight horse? Are wight horses a thing?

    "Crippled in spirit, my lord. Hale in body."

    Oh, so the vampire gets a polite response, but I get told to buzz off. I look at this lord's face for a moment. Ah, Mallobaude doesn't know the man is a vampire. That's… A problem.

    Vampires are fast. I remember when Warhammer Armies: Vampire Counts was released, signalling the switch from general undead to all-vampires all the time. There was a short story in White Dwarf where a necromancer out-magiced his Necrarch master only to be killed by his brute speed and strength. I don't know exactly what that high initiative and strength translated to in real life; I've put more effort into trying to avoid standing out than hunting the undead. I don't know if he's fast enough to kill Aranei before I can grab her, or if he's strong enough to kill me though my environmental shield.

    Magically I'm not too worried. 'Levels' were a game mechanic, but vampires do make poor magicians and Aranei has dispel magic scrolls. Destroy Magic scrolls are a bit beyond her, and she'd never even heard of the nifty hex scroll which turns the enemy caster into a toad. But unlike a vampiric lunge, spells have a bit of a build up and she should be able to warn me.

    And speaking of the revenant, he regards me for a moment with a mild frown before dismissing me. Aranei gets a slightly more considered look, presumably because he thinks she's probably a user of high magic and so a major threat to the undead, though possibly because her outfit causes him to class her as 'foreign noble, probably more trouble than it's worth'.

    The moment passes, and his focus returns to Sir Mallobaude.

    "Have you encountered some impediment to your quest? If your trail has gone cold I'm certain we could find something in Mousillon for you to slay in the Lady's name."

    "Her name." He gives a huffing, desolate laugh. "Why? My quest is complete. I have drunk from the grail. I…"

    "But this is marvellous! Please, come to my estate. I will put on a feast of celebration!"

    Just in case this vampire is one of the sensible ones, I shake my head at him.

    "What did you see, Sir Mallobaude? What did the Lady show you that has affected you so?"

    "We are pawns to the gods. That is what she showed me. All our virtue, all our martial pride, and all that she values in us is our ability to serve her."

    The vampire affects a puzzled expression. "Do you not want to serve her?"

    "I expected to serve an end!" His anger pulling him out of his funk slightly, he pushes himself to his feet. "To create something! A kingdom purged of the taint of chaos! Some recognition for my sacrifices and achievements! Instead-." He shakes his head, his passion evaporating. "Instead, the Lady told me directly that she regards us as pawns, that our struggles are merely to get us to a point where she considers us worth investing in." His head falls. "To hear valorous knights demeaned in such a fashion by the one they.. serve…"

    The vampire nods. "It is… Shocking. As a knight myself, it… Chills me to my heart to hear such a thing. And you are sure that the visitation was genuine, and not some… Chaos-spawned illusion?"

    Mallobaude shakes his head. "No, it was exactly as the legends described. As my father described. The Lady, the cupAnd not merely that, she told me that there is no fundamental difference between herself and the Dark Gods, merely a divergence in opinion! That we knights are as deluded as the madmen who sell their souls to Chaos!"

    The vampires nods. "This is not something you can keep to yourself. If the entire knightly class of Bretonnia is being deceived by a malevolent patron, they must be informed, that they may cleanse themselves."

    I frown. "Why?"

    The vampire's eyes dart my way for a fraction of a second though his body continues to face Mallobaude, trying to convey with his general demeanour that I'm not worth listening to.

    "Because a knight is sworn to truth and honour, and continuing to practise deceit upon his fellow knights fails to uphold either."

    "True, but… The fact that the Lady commands Bretonnian nobles to follow a particular code for purely selfish reasons doesn't take away from the value of the work they do while following it. If a beastherd threatens a peasant village with murder and rape, do the villagers care whether their saviour cries 'For the Lady!' or 'For Sigmar!' or 'In the name of Asuryan!'? No, they do not, they merely care that they are saved. I see that your goddess being indifferent to your deeds hurts you… I'm sorry, but I've never been a man of faith myself. When I do a good deed-."

    "When you save pirates from righteous vengeance."

    "Come with me, and see the village their labours have built. See the new mill, the irrigation systems, the school and the forges. Speak with them, and learn how they feel about their new lives."

    He gazes at me blankly.

    "If you serve no god, why do you even care?"

    "Because you are a man, as I am a man. Because you are distraught, as I have been distraught. Because when I do good, the consequences of that goodness are all the reward I need; the gods could spit on me and I would still be happy."

    Now the vampire is glaring at me.

    "And what of the service rendered? If the gods merely demand the service of mortals for their own amusement, that is not an affront that can just be ignored."

    "A saint and a highwayman are both made of the same meat. And the best revenge on a lying goddess is to live well in spite of her." I raise my eyebrows. "And I'm a little surprised that a vampire includes himself in the 'mortals' category. You are aware that you can't permanently die, yes?"

    Mallobaude straightens slightly.

    "A vampire?"

    "A family affliction; I manage it as best I can."

    I smile. "At least you're not a Nagash-worshipper. But alright; I think that Sir Mallobaude's best course of action is to devote himself to his people rather than his goddess. What would you prescribe?"

    "Tear down the faith. Show his-." He turns back to Mallobaude. "Your fellow knights that they have been deluded. Slay the false prophetesses and the liars who serve them. Take Bretonnia for yourself, free its people from their divine oppressor!"

    "And kill thousands… Tens of thousands of men and women whose only crime is to believe the same lies as all of those around them? And replace the existing order with what? If you tell knights that their faith is a lie and they believe you, what rules will you put in place to guide them?"

    "They will follow him if he has the strength to lead!"

    "He barely has the strength to stand upright! Sir Mallobaude, come to my home. Speak with my people. Let me tell you about my plans for the world, and how gods are not invited."

    The vampire frowns.

    "Sir Mallobaude, ignore this prattling peasant and accept my hospitality. We can send out messages to my neighbours that you may share what you have learned. Even if you choose to take no other action, they deserve to know."

    Sir Mallobaude raises his head slightly, and chooses.
     
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  13. Darko

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    'Fast enough'

    Maybe 'destroying'

    'than'
    'no fundemental'
    Add 'that'
    ' Asuryan!?'

    What's the name of the next episode?
     
  14. Grimnar

    Grimnar Versed in the lewd.

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    You wot m8t?

    "Fuck off, the pair o' yeh."
     
  15. DiehardDust

    DiehardDust Squeaky clean, I promise.

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    I'm getting some: "No Gods! No Kings! Only Man!" kinda vibes.
     
  16. Me. Joka-r

    Me. Joka-r Professional Procrastinator

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    Honestly, am getting more invested in warhammer one than the other. I don't even know warhammer well aside from fantasy setting and cool orcs.
     
  17. Citizen

    Citizen Well worn.

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    Selling this a bit hard, don't you think Sir Aucassin? A suspicious mind might think you knew this was coming.
     
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  18. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Except those who would actually contribute. Like Sigmar, Morr and Shallya! Shallya's a SWELL gal!
     
  19. PJCG

    PJCG Getting sticky.

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    Same here. 3 months ago, I didn't even know WH was a thing.
     
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  20. Chojin Patriarch

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    Boy, that first link... We know how this plays out, and it's a massive derail to the canon timeline of Bretonnia...

    Peculiar indeed. Something new? Or some Chaos-tainted thing that merely seems undead...

    Given that Warhammer vampires generally don't follow the usual literary vampire weaknesses (Garlic, sunlight, religious icons, running water, etcetera...) it'd be hard to out him, short of using High Magic to burn him...

    For reference: Humans are strength 3 average. Vampires usually start at strength 4 which is peak-human-tier and equivalent to being hit by a crossbow bolt or gun. As for Initiative (reflex and striking speed in combat), Humans are again 3. Vampires? Again, 4 or more usually 5. That's enough for a human to seem as if they're moving in slow-motion...

    Annoyingly, depending on which edition this follows, Magic either comes after combat (at the end of a turn) or before shooting attacks (later editions...) But, hey, narrative causality.

    To be fair, him ignoring you is probably a good thing. I suspect a railgun shot would be equivalent to strength 10, -6 save, wouldn't it? ;) Unless this Paul hasn't worked that construct out yet, unlikely as that is?

    Like, say, a rival 'rogue' knight? Seriously, this guy...

    Bad idea. Very bad idea...

    The same truth all Grail Knights have seen...

    ...That all of Bretonnia is built on lies. Because even the Old World is Grim and Dark...

    Heh, he honestly thinks that would work?

    And yet he's still trying to pull this? Aucassin's not quick on the uptake is he?

    To be fair, he has a point there. But...

    ...You do remember how you two met, right, Paul?

    Just... Try to keep the Beastwomen out of sight? Don't want him going 'purge the unclean!' on them...

    If they could see him to do so, they probably would. There's still that question hanging in the air...

    Dude, forget it, you've not the skill in rhetoric. And you've missed his point entirely.

    Yeah, kind of cheapens his whole story, doesn't it? How many people has he fed on? How many have died to feed his black hunger?

    For the unfamiliar: Nagash is effectively the God of the Undead. The First Necromancer. Once a mortal king of Khemri (The Old World's Egypt) who found immortality via Vampirism, then evolved into a full-blown Lich.

    As if Fangface's given it any thought beyond "Blood! Fire! Chaos! Bwahahahahaaa!"

    And there's this Paul's ultimate goal: Throwing the Gods out.

    And you, fangs, have just sealed your doom with that...

    Which we won't get to see, of course... Though if his next action isn't to behead Aucassin, I would be disappointed...

    And so ends this episode. Leaves everything in a worrying place: OL off Earth, investigating the Sheeda presence on Witchworld. Renegade, caught up in the opening salvos of his timeline's Harrowing... Unless, of course, there's a fake-out coming... Can't wait to see, whatever comes next!
     
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    Both paragon and renegade have shown a bit of contempt for traditional deities, so some alternates also having that isn't too surprising.

    I think it's more like "No asshole Gods! No incompetent asshole Kings! Only intelligent Man that doesn't make pacts with insane gods!"

    Most versions of OL we've seen don't tear down established systems just for the hell of it, but they do it if the system is deeply flawed, and the one in this setting is very, very flawed.
     
  22. Darko

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    Well if he lacks the mechanical knowledge on how to build a railgun he may just use more traditional constructs.

    At least it isn't the masturbatory fantasy of an emotionally damaged teenager that the 40k verse is.

    He may not care all that much about them, like he didn't care about OL and the Dark Elf showing up.
     
  23. l---erddad---l

    l---erddad---l Wait, google can see this?

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    I can't remember, has he figured out how to recharge his ring?

    The base concepts of a railgun are fairly simple, so given a super-advanced computer like an Orange Lantern Ring I think he could build some if he decides to put in the effort. Since he can maintain it with his ring, he can built it so that it isn't built to be taken apart and maximize efficiency.
     
  24. Darko

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    He gets his ring recharged by absorbing the ambient Warp energies in the world.
     
  25. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Then the green knight arrives and tells him.
    "Rise Sir Mallobaude. You have passed your trial. Come and drink from the ACTUAL grail"

    And history is rewritten and much Chivalry is had for all.
     
  26. Whenever Possible

    Whenever Possible Versed in the lewd.

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    I mean, it's not like the vampire posing as a bretonian knight is going to be a necrarch. Blood dragon or Van Carstein, but not a necrach.
     
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    Thank you, corrected.
    Nope.
    No, it's correct as is.
    Faed Away.
    Warhammer canon.

    Vampire Lord - Level 3, 2 spells
    Vampire Count - Level 2, 1 spell

    This is why before the current vampire craze Undead armies were generally led by Necromancer Lords. Even after Warhammer Armies: Vampire Counts came out, you still needed a Necrarch Lord with some very expensive bloodline powers to get a level 4 with 4 spells.
     
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    Yeah. The reverse gets believed because in WH Total War 2 vampires are some of the best casters in the game. Wind of Death is well and above the best spell and only avalible to them. They play well into the late game with stacks of literally free skeletons and their FU spells doing all the killing.
     
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    Yeah. You know, back in the day, vampires couldn't even use shyish? Shyish use requires accepting your own death and vampires -being undead- couldn't perform the necessary mental leaps. They got Dark Magic and Necromancy instead.
     
  30. Rafin

    Rafin Not too sore, are you?

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    Mr Zoat what made you decide to give this Paul so much knowledge about the setting this time? And which knowledge has been deleted from his mind? Till now it seems he doesn't know about Mallobaude's canon future specifically, but otherwise?
     
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