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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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After all these years, the madlad Zoat decides to use the Spectre after all. Wow. I guess his imprisonment is what was creating the thaumosphere.

Transferring the Spectre to another host is... not a great solution, but if there was a host who can keep it under control (or at least relatively weak) it would be a respectable one. Certanly better than letting it roam around free, or leaving it here and maybe the next person to find it is less wise. (And don't even suggest the Sword of the Fallen- the possibility that counts as "death" is too great.)

I don't know, does Grayven know any dead guys with great willpower? .... ...noooo...

...but.... Alan is used to manipulating green fire. And if anyone had both the willpower and the purity of heart to control the Spectre....

In other news, I think we can safely say this is not a suitable colony site. Yuga Khan has touched this place. Maybe give that planet with three suns another look. It didn't seem that bad!
 
Nervaqus987 said:
Bad idea.

If he has a good host who can ride herd on him, he can be useful but otherwise.....

Well, my favorite example of Spectre's decision making abilities comes from the time the Brujeria woke up the Great Darkness.
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And mine is the time he crushed a four year old boy under a sea of coins because he took some spare change from mommy's purse.

Folks, for those not that familiar with the Spectre, he is God's wrath. That's it.

The host is what is supposed to provide humanity, empathy, and judgement.
 
i may be a little paranoid or over-thinking this, but i can't help thinking that Hinon sent them here. for a Controller, she was uncharacteristically lazy with her knowledge of this planet, or at least what she doled out to Gravy. Controllers gonna control, and manipulate. was this a test for Gravy, instigated by Hinon, who knew (more or less) what was here?

also, given that Maltusians are so ancient and near-omnipotent, did they ever have interactions with Yuga Khan, neutral or otherwise? seems like whatever may have happened, the Controllers came out on top, even if it only means they didn't throw themselves at the Source Wall.

my knowledge of all this deep lore is basically zero.
 
BartlettMagic said:
i may be a little paranoid or over-thinking this, but i can't help thinking that Hinon sent them here. for a Controller, she was uncharacteristically lazy with her knowledge of this planet, or at least what she doled out to Gravy. Controllers gonna control, and manipulate. was this a test for Gravy, instigated by Hinon, who knew (more or less) what was here?

also, given that Maltusians are so ancient and near-omnipotent, did they ever have interactions with Yuga Khan, neutral or otherwise? seems like whatever may have happened, the Controllers came out on top, even if it only means they didn't throw themselves at the Source Wall.

my knowledge of all this deep lore is basically zero.
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When Hinon woke up from her coma she did mention Yuga Khan.
 
mastermenthe said:
The whole thing with Darkseid Is, since the guy himself is naturally a fop, is from him Mantleing Yuga Kahn's portfolio and responsibilities as the new Divine Figurehead. (of evil? darkness?)
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I think it's more that Darkseid wishes that were true, but it's not. He doesn't have Yuga Kahn's juice, no matter how much he'd like to convince everyone else he does.
 
You know, every discussion of the Spectre starts out with the Spectre experts saying that of course his power level can vary between "slightly powerful ghost" and "God".

But then if a fanfic ever dared use him in "sightly powerful ghost" mode, I get the feeling there would be endless complaints/questions over and over about it.
 
PDV said:
I don't buy it. Sure, there has to be an evil of his tier, but it doesn't need to be him. It could be Yuga Khan; it was, once. It could be someone else, next. Someone with less grudge against Renegrayven.
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From what I recall from reading about that story, yes, that was the point- By killing Darkseid the Spectre would be the next Darkseid. "The king is dead, long live the king."

That wasn't the Presence saving Darksied, that was the Presence saying "Oh hell no, he's my Spectre, I ain't sharing."
 
Vaermina said:
So yes, this guy absolutely has the ability to tell that Grayven's just Grayven who was made to believe he is Renegade.
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The Spectre is currently in a sack of skin with some bones in it and he has lost a lot of power.

He also lied to Iname about Renegade killing her parents.

He is not a reliable source of information.

His whole thing is punishing people for things he perceives as being wrong, and it's very common for his punishments to be significantly brutal and disproportionate; like the kid and the pennies that was previously mentioned.

Telling Renegade that he's not Renegade is just a punishment, and most likely one based on lies.
 
Vaermina said:
So yes, this guy absolutely has the ability to tell that Grayven's just Grayven who was made to believe he is Renegade.
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Could this question not be answered, the debate settled, by determining if Grayven can say his own name. If He can say "Paul 'Candle'" than he's Grayven who's been made to believe XYZ, but if he can't then we can say he's the Renegade who's metaphysical soul consumed the real Grayven upon his physical death.
 
Steelplaza said:
...but.... Alan is used to manipulating green fire. And if anyone had both the willpower and the purity of heart to control the Spectre....
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I will genuinely be unhappy if Alan ends up being brought back for Renegade.

Alan's death is one of the things that Grayven failed on in a way that Paragon didn't. Reversing that is bad in my opinion
 
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The whole "Darkseid vs Spectre" thin is why we have the current run of DC comics ...Darkseid TOOK the Spectre's power and made his own darker twist on the universe, hence the 'roided out 'Absolute' Batman with an axe and the rest of the trinity with a pile of emotional baggage running around the multiverse.
 
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To those wondering, Renegade is still unable to say or think the name Paul.
Which means there is in fact some of the og person there in him and he is not just Grayven being made to think he is the other guy.
 
Silverias said:
I will genuinely be unhappy if Alan ends up being brought back for Renegade.

Alan's death is one of the things that Grsyvencfailed on in a way that Paragon didn't. Reversing that is bad in my opinion
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If Alan was offered the opportunity to come back as the Spectre's host, I suspect that he'd ask what degree of control he'd actually have and then turn it down before he got Crispus Allened.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
So, the Anti-God, then. The dark void to his light. The opposite of The Presence. An Absence, if you will.
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Oh, that's a good one. But yeah, situations like that always felt like plot-induced stupidity to me, because the Spectre should absolutely be smart and wise enough to know that they can't possibly fight Gods equal-opposite counterpart and win, yet the plot needed for the Spectre to stand aside and the Absence out, so ergo plot induced arrogance.

Hmm. I would like to have an SI-as-the-Spectre story. Im gonna go search for some.
 
Terror Nova (part 20) New
20th August 2013
12:55 GMT -7

"Could you put your host on for a minute?"

"He would die."

Ah, yeah. His species isn't really designed to live when they're that decayed. I take out my purple healing ray and begin fabricating a nutrient drip. Duties of the Domitor

"See this gun? It was designed by a woman from the notoriously murderous political movement on Earth, after she quit and tried repenting. It fires a ray which invigorates living tissue, a 'healing ray' if you will. If you'd encountered her prior to her making it -whether she was still loyal or repentant- you'd have killed her, and it wouldn't exist. But, I can fire it at your host, and hook him up to-" I nod to the drip. "-that, and he'll probably survive."

"I will not release Yuga Khan."

"If he starts to die, take over. I just want to pay my respects to a man brave enough to fight my grandfather, and to ask what funerary rites he wants." Hm. "But I suppose you can pass that on. Let's not be unrealistic about your chance of getting out of this."

"I will escape eventually. And now that you are here, the Knights of Passage will have observed the changed on the surface and dispatched a patrol to investigate. My host had given up hope, but your folly has renewed it."

"You know… That's the sad thing. He deserves a chance to return to his people."

"You cannot harm me in a meaningful way. In our weakened state you could slay my host, but you fear Yuga Khan too greatly to risk it. If you free me, I will grant you a swift and painless death; it is the one leniency I afford to anyone."

"Mm, let me thinkno." I feel around my-. Ah, there it is. "Spectre, are you aware of Masak Mavdil?"

"It would not hold me."

"Sure, sure. Point is, while I was there, I picked up this." I pull out a tiny piece of kaahuite from my harness. "Nasty stuff, hm? Now, I'm not sure what would happen if I killed you with it-. Killed your host, I should say. But I'd give it an even chance of sticking. And my grandfather had no idea that this stuff existed. Which means that whatever Source-based thing is supposed to happen almost certainly won't."

"Almost."

"Yeah, but for me, you being free is actually worse than Grandfather getting free. I mean, I certainly don't want him free, but he'd probably just ignore me. He might even deal with Father for me. You, on the other hand, would send me to the Source at the first opportunity."

"Yes."

"At least you're honest. What was up with that Provider?"

"Your minions unleashed them upon thousands of worlds."

"No-." I frown. "No, you've got me confused for the other Grayven. The clone I got merged with. He's the one who recruited the Citizenry, I'm the one who rallied Vega to stop them."

"No. You're not."

…

"I had wondered. Still, I think I am, and that's the main thing. And the Source takes my soul either way, so… Distinction without a difference." I shrug. "Or perhaps not. Something tells me that you're the sort who would underestimate the power of friendship." I take hold of the drip's infusion pad. "May I? You've already acknowledged that I'm not going to kill your host with something so mundane as poison."

"I will make no accommodation with evil."

"Okay, fine. Other option is that I kill you with this." I draw the Sword of the Fallen with my left hand. "This has the interesting effect of causing you to incarnate as a mortal. No magic power, but you can work on your morals and maybe earn your way back into the Silver City. Which I… Vaguely recall is the whole point of this exercise."

"If I live, I will regain my power. If I regain my power, I will slay you."

"Unless you live and die as a mortal man. Most of those don't get as powerful as me. But I will respect your dedication if you try. So. Do you have a preference, or anything useful to say on the subject?"

"I will make. No accommodation. With evil."

I shrug, and look to my assistants. "Girls? Any thoughts?"

Persuader gestures to the ship's machinery. "Couldn't we just wreck this place, and then take him with us?"

"It would be a risk, but in theory, yes. The problem is that I don't know the systems that Grandfather would have used. Plus, there are all sorts of problems that could come about from having him as a prisoner. First and foremost, it leaves open the possibility of escape."

"Master, isn't Christianity all about encouraging people to be better?"

"Yes. Which is why the Spectre here literally stopped existing while Jesus Christ was alive."

Iname blinks. "King Jesus is real?"

"Sort of. I'm not exactly sure what he was. I had wondered if he was a human who turned himself into a New God unaided. That's why I delayed in Awakening Persuader; to see if it was possible. But after Knockout got a bit into things I thought it best not to wait."

"I'm not Jesus, boss."

I nod. "I realised that."

"And it was just grinding, it wasn't even-."

"I don't need to know that, Persuader." … "Though to be clear, Knockout's job is to teach you to fight. Consent customs are.. different on Apokolips, but in my home we use American norms."

"… Right."

That's going to be an awkward conversation for later.

"Master, um…"

I give Iname a mildly pained look. "You too?"

She blinks. "Me t-?" Her eyes widen as she works out what I just implied. "No!"

"Oh, ah-. It wouldn't be a problem exactly, I was more surprised-." Though given how me met, perhaps I shouldn't have been.

And now she's blushing. "I want to ask why the Spectre is trying to kill me. Persuader murdered her teacher and he thinks you are the Other Grayven, but what did I do?"

"Ignorant child, you have murdered thousands."

"But they were all really bad."

"By the law of Heaven, not all of those you slew deserved death."

She thinks for a moment, and then turns back to me. "Master, I don't like Heaven's laws."

"Then you're in the historical majority. Last words, Spectre?"

"Your evil will not stand."

"Neat."

I step forwards and stab his host in the heart with the Sword of the Fallen. He shudders for a moment, then his skin returns to its former blue huge and his cloak turns into the remains of a uniform. The second that happens I withdraw the Sword and repair his heart, sticking the infusion pad onto his chest to start the process of feeding him and shooting with the now fully functional purple healing ray.

Scans show...

Not dead. He hangs limply, eyes barely capable of tracking me. But they are tracking.

Let's hope that the Knights of Passage are so glad to see him that they don't ask too much about anything else.
 
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