Announcement on Rule 3 and Doujin/Hentai Websites

[Daniel K. English]

Guys, not to be that girl here, but why are we trying to rules lawyer this?

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There are netizens who love to toe the line.

I remember as a young teen frequenting the original MGE Unlimited forum before the Redux split. There was a user HowAboutNo who was quite a creative writer. But he was an ass who loved pushing the setting's boundaries. Unlimited was the primary translation point back then, and Kenkou Cross became aware of Unlimited after HowAboutNo sent him an email with monster girl gore. As a result, KC began setting legally-binding requirements on Unlimited, one of which included the banning of HowAboutNo.

Ultimately, Unlimited was forbidden from hosting MGE translations because HowAboutNo's ban was lifted or something, and KC found out about it. Afterwards came the slow death of Unlimited. The mods went inactive until I think NaGel, who was the Turkish(?) admin for Unlimited, couldn't keep the site up anymore.

Lesson from my old man story: there are plenty of people, either dicking around or otherwise unthinking, who will set fire to the places they visit because they want to.

I hope the QQ admins will be as dictatorial as necessary to keep this from happening.

 

[mizerie]

You know what they say.
The First Rule of Piracy is you do not link the pirates.
The Second Rule of Piracy is you do not link the pirates.

 

[ANGRY PUFFBALL]

I thought this was going to be about kemono at first, lol

 

[Nitramy]

You know what they say.
The First Rule of Piracy is you do not link the pirates.
The Second Rule of Piracy is you do not link the pirates.

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Third rule: someone goes limp, says "stop", taps out, the download is canceled.

 

[1eyed1]

What about stuff like F95? Lewd games site, does a lot of piracy but also hosts legitimately gained games too. Many Devs even make threads for their games themselves. They don't host anything themselves but instead act as a middle man for links that DO host games.

 

[ultima333]

For the sake of keeping it straight in my head, would it pan out to something like this?

Example sites that are never allowed to be linked to:

• exhentai
• nhentai
• nyaa
• etc...

Example sites that are okay to link to IF AND ONLY IF the content is legal to share:

• google drive
• mega
• dropbox
• etc...

That sound about right?

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Correct

So no DIRECT links.

But if I just mention what site I used to get something that's fine? I think? Just from reading the new rule and how it's written, I could tell someone where I pirate my movies from but giving them a link would be a nono.

But my interpretation probably violates the spirit of the rule and puts y'all in a sticky situation.

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No, it's perfectly fine to say "you can google 'Victim Girls 16 nhentai' and find the doujin in question"

Think mangadex is fine. It's a mangareader. They never allow you to download. Unless things changed the last year I've been there. They also tend to remove copyright quickly and link to official sites.

Most of the stuff still there don't have licenses anymore from what I remember.

But I haven't been on it in a really long ass time so I don't know anymore. >.>

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Mangadex is fine - no bulk download option, and they do follow DMCA takedowns and make an effort to comply with publishers.

What's the status of a site like dynasty scans - manga reader, proactively respects licenses as well as taking down stuff on request like the boorus do, but has a chapter download button? I've been assuming it's meant to be banned but it seems to have dodged the filter so now I'm not sure.

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I'd err on the side of not providing direct links.
Broken links are fine, such as "dynastyscans dot com/whatever" same with "search dynastyscans for X title"

I'll probably add them to the filter/list.

Out of curiosity, do repositories of android ported games count? I ask because I have a literal folder of Android hentai games from ported games like RPGMaker ones. Not all of those games get an official port, and I think I have some of my officially purchased DLSite APK files in there, too. Edit: I should mention, for the DLSite downloads, quite a few of them require you to have purchased the game on DLSite to play them. I just have them there, because it's easier for me to find them in a folder I made on Mega.

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That... sounds fine?
Free games and open projects, and then things that respect needing to have purchased the games/etc?
But like, are you sharing your links to your Mega storage on QQ widespread?

For the sake of keeping it straight in my head, would it pan out to something like this?

Example sites that are never allowed to be linked to:

• exhentai
• nhentai
• nyaa
• etc...

Example sites that are okay to link to IF AND ONLY IF the content is legal to share:

• google drive
• mega
• dropbox
• etc...

That sound about right?

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Correct

So no DIRECT links.

But if I just mention what site I used to get something that's fine? I think? Just from reading the new rule and how it's written, I could tell someone where I pirate my movies from but giving them a link would be a nono.

But my interpretation probably violates the spirit of the rule and puts y'all in a sticky situation.

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No, it's perfectly fine to say "you can google 'Victim Girls 16 nhentai' and find the doujin in question"

Think mangadex is fine. It's a mangareader. They never allow you to download. Unless things changed the last year I've been there. They also tend to remove copyright quickly and link to official sites.

Most of the stuff still there don't have licenses anymore from what I remember.

But I haven't been on it in a really long ass time so I don't know anymore. >.>

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Mangadex is fine - no bulk download option, and they do follow DMCA takedowns and make an effort to comply with publishers.

What's the status of a site like dynasty scans - manga reader, proactively respects licenses as well as taking down stuff on request like the boorus do, but has a chapter download button? I've been assuming it's meant to be banned but it seems to have dodged the filter so now I'm not sure.

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I'd err on the side of not providing direct links.
Broken links are fine, such as "dynastyscans dot com/whatever" same with "search dynastyscans for X title"

I'll probably add them to the filter/list.

Out of curiosity, do repositories of android ported games count? I ask because I have a literal folder of Android hentai games from ported games like RPGMaker ones. Not all of those games get an official port, and I think I have some of my officially purchased DLSite APK files in there, too. Edit: I should mention, for the DLSite downloads, quite a few of them require you to have purchased the game on DLSite to play them. I just have them there, because it's easier for me to find them in a folder I made on Mega.

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That... sounds fine?
Free games and open projects, and then things that respect needing to have purchased the games/etc?
But like, are you sharing your links to your Mega storage on QQ widespread?

What about stuff like F95? Lewd games site, does a lot of piracy but also hosts legitimately gained games too. Many Devs even make threads for their games themselves. They don't host anything themselves but instead act as a middle man for links that DO host games.

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Maybe just err on the side of caution and break your links. "Doesn't host anything themselves" is not a distinction we make, we still prohibit Nyaa and Pirate Bay and other torrent sites.
Surely it's not that hard to just go "f95zone dot com/thread"

 

[BlackDragon98]

Would E-Hentai still be permitted? It's similar to Rule34 but it also has a mass download option.

 

[ultima333]

Would E-Hentai still be permitted? It's similar to Rule34 but it also has a mass download option.

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Exhentai dot org and its front e-hentai dot org are in the rule as examples of what not to link.
So, no.

 

[Have a Little Feith]

But like, are you sharing your links to your Mega storage on QQ widespread?

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Nah, but I'm not sure if I won't share the whole folder at some point by accident, by having copied the wrong link or something. I think I once shared a mega link with fanart of Y'shtola? My memory sucks, so it might've been a google drive link instead. But I do have a folder on my Mega drive that has the background images I use in Wallpaper Engine for Android. Over 400 images there I can share that I'm pretty sure aren't all copyrighted. Excluding the official nintendo ones that they let people download for free when XC3 came out, or NIS sent when I bought Disgaea 6. Those are technically copyrighted images, but I think unenforceable since it was a "gift"? I dunno American or Canadian law on phone wallpaper images that are sent out to people who bought the games they're based on, or sent out in preparation of the games being made public.

That folder I'm pretty sure I can share.

Edit: sorry for the rambling. I'm unmedicated for ADHD right now, and it's around bedtime. If I took my meds now, I wouldn't be able to sleep, so the filter is rambly brain-to-text typing.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Exhentai dot org and its front e-hentai dot org are in the rule as examples of what not to link.
So, no.

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Got it. I didn't know ex-hentai was linked to ex-hentai

 

[Vanbers]

I... don't really understand how this is so hard and complex to have people arguing so many edge cases.

Just, just say the title of the work, and maybe the artist. If people are too internet-illiterate to find it that's kind of their own problem, unless the thing is incredibly niche. And even then, you can just say the website you found it on, and boom, people can find THAT and use that to find it.

Just don't do direct links. Just post the name, and say that you found it on exhentai/e-hentai/nhentai/hitomi/F95/R34/etc.

This is so mind-bogglingly simple I'm struggling to understand how this is so complicated for people, let alone having to be said at all.

Got it. I didn't know ex-hentai was linked to ex-hentai

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e-hentai is just the front for exhentai. They're basically the same site, but one has the more extreme content unaccessible/invisible.

From what I recall, exhentai is the one with all the more 'questionable' and less vanilla works that would be problematic, stuff with more extreme fetishes. e-hentai is the one for normies.

 

[coldpyr0]

I find it hilarious how many posts are essentially, 'what about this niche or specific thing'. The rule isn't complicated, it isn't legal jargon.

If you have to ask, don't link it and say where it is.
If you aren't sure if it's piracy or not, don't link it just talk about it.
If X specific highly unorthodox scenario happens, do not link it and just mention it.

If someone asks for a link instruct them that Google doesn't require a license or training manual and that you already gave them what is needed...

 

[Lunahaile]

I... don't really understand how this is so hard and complex to have people arguing so many edge cases.

Just, just say the title of the work, and maybe the artist. If people are too internet-illiterate to find it that's kind of their own problem, unless the thing is incredibly niche. And even then, you can just say the website you found it on, and boom, people can find THAT and use that to find it.

Just don't do direct links. Just post the name, and say that you found it on exhentai/e-hentai/nhentai/hitomi/F95/R34/etc.

This is so mind-bogglingly simple I'm struggling to understand how this is so complicated for people, let alone having to be said at all.

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I'm struggling to understand it, myself, but... I mean, it's not like it's an expansion of the rules. It's literally a matter of "So we've decided to make a minor addition to a rule that's been around for a long time."

 

[D'znn-Xy'lll MetaChthonia]

As per Rule 8 Point 3: If this in your Opinion in any capacity, shape, and/or form Violates Rule 5, 8, or 9 then inform me so I may Delete the Post. I guarantee you if any Slurs are present it's because of my ignorance of them and I have had trouble determining what's "On Topic". Check Signature for further elaboration. Assistance is appreciated.

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Got it. I didn't know ex-hentai was linked to ex-hentai

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Yeah, E-Hentai is the Public face for ExHentai, hence why I refer to it as "EH". Not for Censorship or shorthand but because both Websites are the same thing but one has a larger archive for various Reasons (like the Ex side lacks ads). What confuses me is why only the lesser known half of the two is mentioned in the Rule. I regularly see people on here not aware that they're the same Website. Given there's like nHentai and a few others like that you can't really blame them given ExHentai is from an Era where it was pretty much the only one doing the naming scheme but since then (and especially after the attempt to purge it from the Internet years back) there have been plenty that do it crop up so saying one explicitly doesn't imply the other. It also doesn't help that it uses an archaic complex Account Lock just to get to and is hidden in the proper Deep Web half of the Internet. It's basically like the NSFW side of QQ or Political side of SB or both the NSFW and Political side of SV but you need cookies from the Public face that had been on your medium for 12~24 hours beforehand to access and only can access it while those cookies remain.

Informally it's known as "Sad Panda" due to it being what's supposed to pop up if you're denied ExHentai access. I say "supposed to" because the archaic system is... very glitched and sometimes it stays a white screen instead.

Just, just say the title of the work, and maybe the artist. If people are too internet-illiterate to find it that's kind of their own problem, unless the thing is incredibly niche. And even then, you can just say the website you found it on, and boom, people can find THAT and use that to find it.

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Or like me where I just mention Website, Name, and Author/Artist unless I put it up in an Image Dump previously here.

My more main problem is paranoia about not being fully aware if something fits the criteria and accidentally run afoul of it. But sounds like this will help prevent that on my part so I'm quite jolly.

 

[CriticalFailure]

I... don't really understand how this is so hard and complex to have people arguing so many edge cases.

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People are trying to wriggle in a freebie for their edge case, is what I assume.


It is not like imgur/imgchest/googledocs galleries are not allowed either. You are still free to share personal galleries if they are just collections of random pictures/art saved across the net, or reams of AI art.

Anything else, just say the damn name and site where you got it from (or add numbers and such too). Just do not post a goddamn link.


Again, this really should not be so hard.

 

[CosmicBigfoot]

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What is the mark of shame and why is it not on Treble?

 

[Vanbers]

I'm struggling to understand it, myself, but... I mean, it's not like it's an expansion of the rules. It's literally a matter of "So we've decided to make a minor addition to a rule that's been around for a long time."

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It's not even an expansion, honestly. It's not a change or an addition to the rules, just an announcement of 'this is a rule, we're not changing it or adding anything, we've just added a thing that automatically breaks the urls we don't want, so please don't try and get around it.'

What is the mark of shame and why is it not on Treble?

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iirc, if you got banned for admitting you're underage (because this is still an over-18 site with sexual content), when you're no longer underage and come back, you get the banner. Or you can just request it.

 

[ZeroK and Angel]

Like I said earlier and so many people seem to agree on, most of this is just wiggling trying to edge in their exception...for some reason. Not sure why. I just feel like this is a good point to reference the tried and true rule. The great trick to life, that most corporations would do better and make more money if they followed. Rule #1: Don't be a Dick.
Not hard, not complex, just give more of a damn about the broad community and others then feeling like you have a chance to just get your little dig in on the big bad...free site we all enjoy using. The again how often do people gas and roar past you to get that literal one car length for zero actual gain? This is feeling like that same mentality at a certain point.

 

[JadeKaiser]

What is the mark of shame and why is it not on Treble?

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Users who lied about their age when they created their account, because they were under 18, then later at some point after they were over 18 for real they asked staff to fix it. It's a strictly voluntary for funnies thing, we offer to give it but it's up to the user themselves whether or not they want it.

On the one hand, having a banner for your account like that can be considered a sort of reward, and having a "reward" that's essentially telling everybody "I hoodwinked the mods and got away with it" doesn't seem great.
On the other hand, the banner in question is literally "Mark of Shame," so... kinda balances out.