Jumpchain Conversions to ICYOA

[Edalon]

Naruto by NuBee and Valeria

The concept of experience level determining what you get from other purchases is a bit iffy as thing go. You either have to spend half your budget to be a viable combatant, or banking on Child Prodigy and starting early enough with no severe drawbacks to turn yourself from a potential man into someone worth a damn. You can of course spend your whole starting budged, take every bounty drawback to be hunted by the world, let Orochimaru hunt you down for your place as a Jumper and leave Naruto dead to become an Otsutsuki with Kage rank experience and spend your 10 years as a resident murder-hobo.

 

[Laath-]

Naruto by NuBee and Valeria

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All the tabs are duplicated?

 

[Edalon]

All the tabs are duplicated?

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I was under the impression that this problem with the ICC viewer was solved already. What browser are you using and have you tried clearing cache?

 

[Laath-]

I was under the impression that this problem with the ICC viewer was solved already. What browser are you using and have you tried clearing cache?

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I'm in firefox and clearing the cache has solved the problem. Pretty weird bug.

 

[Reinhard]

Naruto by NuBee and Valeria

The concept of experience level determining what you get from other purchases is a bit iffy as thing go. You either have to spend half your budget to be a viable combatant, or banking on Child Prodigy and starting early enough with no severe drawbacks to turn yourself from a potential man into someone worth a damn. You can of course spend your whole starting budged, take every bounty drawback to be hunted by the world, let Orochimaru hunt you down for your place as a Jumper and leave Naruto dead to become an Otsutsuki with Kage rank experience and spend your 10 years as a resident murder-hobo.

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Not really, just be a genius otsutsuki instead of an experienced one, it's cheaper and better long term. You can grow and reach that kage level in less than a year. The genius perks makes you learn 200x faster than normal. The kage takes 30 years of training to reach that level at max, if the average human couldn't reach it in their 30s to 40s then they never will. The biggest example is a 13 year old itachi being a kage level, beating orochimaru, danzo and killing his clan. Another is 14 year old kage gaara.

The jumps makes you in the group age of the konoha 9, you can exchange potential, bloodline, and talent for immediate power. Sasuke would be someone who is a genius with the uchiha bloodline, and some experience with fire style.

This is my build for example:

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Allegiance: Konohagakure
Race: Human
Name: Naruto Namikaze
Sex: Male
Age: 12 years old (aged by the drawback)
Info: Son of the alive 4th Hokage, and kushina uzumakithe jinchuriki of the complete Nine-Tails.
CP: 0 + 3800 (Drawbacks) + 400 (Items) - 1400 (Perks) - 2400 (Bloodline Limit) - 400 (Items)

Discounted Perks:
[free] Unorthodox Tactics
[free] Refined Control
[free] Willpower
[100] Immense Reserves
[100] Miraculous Strength
[200] Monstrous Vitality
[200] Endless Calculation

Undiscounted Perks:
[free] Experience (Genin)
[100] Combat Analyst
[200] Blinding Speed
[200] Leader's Charisma
[300] Child Prodigy

Bloodline Limit:
[free] Otsutsuki
[free] Rinnegan
[200] Byakugan/Hyuga Clan
[300] Mutation of Shin
[300] Shikotsumyaku/Kaguya Clan
[400] Senju Clan
[600] Sharingan/Uchiha Clan
[600] Six Paths Chakra

Items:
[free] Forehead Protector
[free] Seal Kit
[free] Standard Ninja Toolkit
[free] Scrolls
[50] Chakra Weapon
[50] Weights II
[50] Chakra Metal Supply
[50] Chakra Weapon (Sword)
[100] Ninja Armor III
[100] Demon Sealing Crystal

Companions:
Team Jump:
[free] Sarada Uchiha (Fem!Sasuke)
[free] Sakura Haruno
[free] Kakashi Hatake (Sensei)

Drawbacks:
[+100] Human Monster (Otsutsuki appearance)
[+100] Antisocial Nature (I am a loud, obnoxious, hyperactive, and impulsive troublemaker who craves attention and recognition)
[+100] Social Pariah (I am hated for looking weird)
[+200] Fanatic (I am committed to breaking the cycle of hatred and creating true, lasting peace through understanding each other, and not with force and violence)
[+200] Friendly Fire
[+200] Geezer (Otsutsuki can live for thousands of years, being 70 isn't a disadvantage for them like humans)
[+300] Naruto's Dead, Believe It (Free points since I self inserted as Naruto)
[+300] Dark Past (Obito killed my parents, destroyed my village, and made me a jinchuriki. Now, he's after the Nine-Tails sealed inside me)
[+300] Juuuuuumpeeeeer
[+1000] Bounty 5x (Akatsuki, Cloud village, Sand village, Mist village, and Stone village)

 

[Edalon]

Not really, just be a genius otsutsuki instead of an experienced one, it's cheaper and better long term. You can grow and reach that kage level in less than a year. The genius perks makes you learn 200x faster than normal. The kage takes 30 years of training to reach that level at max, if the average human couldn't reach it in their 30s to 40s then they never will. The biggest example is a 13 year old itachi being a kage level, beating orochimaru, danzo and killing his clan. Another is 14 year old kage gaara.

The jumps makes you in the group age of the konoha 9, you can exchange potential, bloodline, and talent for immediate power. Sasuke would be someone who is a genius with the uchiha bloodline, and some experience with fire style.

This is my build for example:

Spoiler

Allegiance: Konohagakure
Race: Human
Name: Naruto Namikaze
Sex: Male
Age: 12 years old (aged by the drawback)
Info: Son of the alive 4th Hokage, and kushina uzumakithe jinchuriki of the complete Nine-Tails.
CP: 0 + 3800 (Drawbacks) + 400 (Items) - 1400 (Perks) - 2400 (Bloodline Limit) - 400 (Items)

Discounted Perks:
[free] Unorthodox Tactics
[free] Refined Control
[free] Willpower
[100] Immense Reserves
[100] Miraculous Strength
[200] Monstrous Vitality
[200] Endless Calculation

Undiscounted Perks:
[free] Experience (Genin)
[100] Combat Analyst
[200] Blinding Speed
[200] Leader's Charisma
[300] Child Prodigy

Bloodline Limit:
[free] Otsutsuki
[free] Rinnegan
[200] Byakugan/Hyuga Clan
[300] Mutation of Shin
[300] Shikotsumyaku/Kaguya Clan
[400] Senju Clan
[600] Sharingan/Uchiha Clan
[600] Six Paths Chakra

Items:
[free] Forehead Protector
[free] Seal Kit
[free] Standard Ninja Toolkit
[free] Scrolls
[50] Chakra Weapon
[50] Weights II
[50] Chakra Metal Supply
[50] Chakra Weapon (Sword)
[100] Ninja Armor III
[100] Demon Sealing Crystal

Companions:
Team Jump:
[free] Sarada Uchiha (Fem!Sasuke)
[free] Sakura Haruno
[free] Kakashi Hatake (Sensei)

Drawbacks:
[+100] Human Monster (Otsutsuki appearance)
[+100] Antisocial Nature (I am a loud, obnoxious, hyperactive, and impulsive troublemaker who craves attention and recognition)
[+100] Social Pariah (I am hated for being the jinchuriki of the Nine-Tails and for being associated with its attack on the village)
[+200] Fanatic (I am committed to breaking the cycle of hatred and creating true, lasting peace through understanding each other, and not with force and violence)
[+200] Friendly Fire
[+200] Geezer (Otsutsuki can live for thousands of years, being 70 isn't a disadvantage for them like humans)
[+300] Naruto's Dead, Believe It (Free points since I self inserted as Naruto)
[+300] Dark Past (Obito killed my parents, destroyed my village, and made me a jinchuriki. Now, he's after the Nine-Tails sealed inside me)
[+300] Juuuuuumpeeeeer
[+1000] Bounty 5x (Akatsuki, Cloud village, Sand village, Mist village, and Stone village)

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You are deliberately ignoring the fact that drawbacks can't be trumped by perks and applying weird interpretation to them. How does anything you described in Fanatic count as destructive belief? Geezer doesn't just say that you are 70, it adds if not older and for it to be a proper drawback it will still make you feel like a 70 year old human even if you are an Otsutsuki. Taking second intensity of bounty for all five factions means that they start a world war to get you and since your own village hates your guts I don't see why they would bother protecting you. Finally I can't even fathom how you ended up with full nine tails sealed inside you without spending 1000 CP on the Jinchuriki option.

 

[Reinhard]

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that drawbacks can't be trumped by perks and applying weird interpretation to them. How does anything you described in Fanatic count as destructive belief? Geezer doesn't just say that you are 70, it adds if not older and for it to be a proper drawback it will still make you feel like a 70 year old human even if you are an Otsutsuki. Taking second intensity of bounty for all five factions means that they start a world war to get you and since your own village hates your guts I don't see why they would bother protecting you. Finally I can't even fathom how you ended up with full nine tails sealed inside you without spending 1000 CP on the Jinchuriki option.

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Oh, you mean the drawback social pariah?

Yeah, I meant to replace it with the reason for being hated bc of my weird looks. Ignore that part, I did mention that kushina is alive though and she is the current jinchuriki.

Look, if you are seeing drawbacks as no limit debuff that can't be cheated or removed, then there is no way I can convince you. The drawback does what it says, it makes you someone who is beyond his prime due to old age. It doesn't mention that you can't find a new body, like with living corpse reincarnation to return to your youth. It doesn't mention someone who has the ability to manipulate biology or matter and de-age you like panacea, atom eve or overhaul. It doesn't mention that if you are a species that doesn't get affected by age, it will affect you.

Like if you can manipulate time and de-age yourself, why wouldn't it work? The drawback doesn't mention that it can't be removed or fixed.

Another example is a drawback that says that you lose one of your limbs, if if doesn't mention that you can't regenerate it or get healed/fixed by someone else, or regain it in any way other way possible. Then you can heal it immediately after the jump start if you have a regen power.

Social pariah makes the average villager hate you, not the people in power. It's exactly like a jinchuriki, they are just avoided and mistreated but not killed unless the kage said so, the kage here is your dad minato.

 

[Edalon]

Oh, you mean the drawback social pariah?

Yeah, I meant to replace it with the reason for being hated bc of my weird looks. Ignore that part, I did mention that kushina is alive though.

Look, if you are seeing drawbacks as no limit lock that can't be cheated, then there is no way I can convince you. The drawback does what it says, it makes you someone who is beyond his prime due to old age. It doesn't mention that you can't find a new body, like with living corpse reincarnation to return to your youth. It doesn't mention someone who has the ability to manipulate biology and de-age you like panacea or overhaul. It doesn't mention that if you are a species that doesn't get affected by age, it will affect you.

Like if you can manipulate time and de-age yourself, why wouldn't it work? The drawback doesn't mention that it can't be removed or fixed.

Another example is a drawback that says that you lose one of your limbs, if if doesn't mention that you can't regenerate it or get healed/fixed by someone else, or regain it in any way other way possible. Then you can heal it immediately after the jump start if you have a regen power.

Social pariah makes the average villager hate you, not the people in power. It's exactly like a jinchuriki, they are just avoided and mistreated but not killed unless the kage said so, the kage here is your dad minato.

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Yeah, if you ignore drawbacks being drawbacks then it sure is convenient to take all those free points to make the Jump worth it. I don't know how you want to weasel your way out of every major village, their allies, Orochimaru with Otogakure and Akatsuki joining to crush Konoha, but with an attitude like that I'm sure just saying that your new parents crush everyone else because they are so powerful or something equally insane is an answer.

 

[Reinhard]

Yeah, if you ignore drawbacks being drawbacks then it sure is convenient to take all those free points to make the Jump worth it. I don't know how you want to weasel your way out of every major village, their allies, Orochimaru with Otogakure and Akatsuki joining to crush Konoha, but with an attitude like that I'm sure just saying that your new parents crush everyone else because they are so powerful or something equally insane is an answer.

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Your logic is honestly stupid, if a drawbacks mention that you start in a specific location, does that mean you will stay at that place for all the jump?

Does that mean you can't leave the place?

The drawback makes all other 5 nation hate me, it doesn't say that I can't resolve this peacefully. Like if you have Path to victory or any precognition power, can't you just find the future that resolve it for you?

Oro in part 1 was super weak, 13 year old itachi beat him. Give me 6 months and I will be stronger than all 5 kage.

 

[Edalon]

Your logic is honestly stupid, if a drawbacks mention that you start in a specific location, does that mean you will stay at that place for all the jump?

Does that mean you can't leave the place?

The drawback makes all other 5 nation hate me, it doesn't say that I can't resolve this peacefully. Like if you have Path to victory or any precognition power, can't you just find the future that resolve it for you?

Oro in part 1 was super weak, 13 year old itachi beat him. Give me 6 months and I will be stronger than all 5 kage.

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Oh ho, so we are down to using out of context powers to make a build valid now? if you are powerful enough to crush everyone already then of course it's a viable build.

As for Orochimaru. Give you six months? Who will give you six months if 4th shinobi world war with you as a main target starts immediately? You will hide behind your new daddy and mommy?

 

[Reinhard]

Oh ho, so we are down to using out of context powers to make a build valid now? if you are powerful enough to crush everyone already then of course it's a viable build.

As for Orochimaru. Give you six months? Who will give you six months if 4th shinobi world war with you as a main target starts immediately? You will hide behind your new daddy and mommy?

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It doesn't matter whether something is inside or outside the context. A power does one thing, and a drawback does another. If a drawback specifically states that you are in your 70s and past your prime, but doesn't mention that this affects races like the Otsutsuki, who don't physically or biologically decline with age, or that it stops immortality and regeneration abilities that could restore you to your prime, then it doesn't.

A drawback does exactly what it says, no more and no less. If you have an Eternal Youth perk that prevents aging and keeps you physically in your 20s, the drawback would override it, and you would be 70. However, if you belong to a race that suffers no adverse effects from being 70 years old, then the drawback doesn't suddenly impose those effects on you.

Likewise, if you possess a regeneration ability capable of reversing all negative physical effects, including aging, you could simply regenerate back to your prime unless the drawback explicitly states that its effects cannot be reversed or circumvented. The limb-related drawbacks are a good example of this distinction.


Edit: Like even in verse and in the jump, there is an immortality jutsu (Living corpse reincarnation) that orochimaru used to overcome aging available to be purchased. The drawback doesn't mention that it stops the jutsu or any other method from working on you.

 

[Edalon]

It doesn't matter whether something is inside or outside the context. A power does one thing, and a drawback does another. If a drawback specifically states that you are in your 70s and past your prime, but doesn't mention that this affects races like the Otsutsuki, who don't physically or biologically decline with age, or that it stops immortality and regeneration abilities that could restore you to your prime, then it doesn't.

A drawback does exactly what it says, no more and no less. If you have an Eternal Youth perk that prevents ageing and keeps you physically in your 20s, the drawback would override it, and you would be 70. However, if you belong to a race that suffers no adverse effects from being 70 years old, then the drawback doesn't suddenly impose those effects on you.

Likewise, if you possess a regeneration ability capable of reversing all negative physical effects, including ageing, you could simply regenerate back to your prime unless the drawback explicitly states that its effects cannot be reversed or circumvented. The limb-related drawbacks are a good example of this distinction.

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Seems like it is because of min-maxing munchkins like you that authors have to spell out that you can't regenerate a lost limb or use a prosthetic. Eh whatever, if you like to feel clever by "outsmarting" drawbacks then you do you.