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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
Kyle Rayner is a high school student at this point. He's never even seen a power ring.
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Has the SI considred recruiting him? He seems like would be a good fit considering that in the comics hes one of the few actually creative Lanterns and did use a orange ring at one point without going crazy for too long.
 
Can we get the elf girl to become the new low key fan girl of Paul? Since we lost Dana Dearden to the legion of super heroes a thousand years in the future.

Paul needs more potential Yandere girls in his life... I also would LOVE IT if Dame Carol recruits Zatanna as a pink lantern now that the Zamarrons are making rings themselves.

Drama is the spice of life specially drama that happens to someone else.
 
Lokpik said:
I just live how to Paul talks about earth when in space. A kyrptonian is a planetary threat in several systems, earth figured out how to kill them several wayd. We have five lanterns stationed at earth for sector 2184. And of course his giving the freeze Ray to the lantern during the bloom incident. Earth is going to have a bad/badass rep
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Heh, I've seen other fics where Earth is described as the red light district of the galaxy. :D

Really Paul should just explain how one of the Endless was imprisoned on Earth for awhile. If that's not enough to make a Lantern wary then frankly she kind of deserves what she gets.

Chaoswind said:
Can we get the elf girl to become the new low key fan girl of Paul? Since we lost Dana Dearden to the legion of super heroes a thousand years in the future.

Paul needs more potential Yandere girls in his life... I also would LOVE IT if Dame Carol recruits Zatanna as a pink lantern now that the Zamarrons are making rings themselves.

Drama is the spice of life specially drama that happens to someone else.
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Why do you hate Zatanna? Poor girl is trying to get over pink purple light addiction and you think she needs a Ring of Yandere?
 
Aeess said:
Has the SI considred recruiting him? He seems like would be a good fit considering that in the comics hes one of the few actually creative Lanterns and did use a orange ring at one point without going crazy for too long.
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Briefly. But while comics Rayner's constructs are more 'fanciful' than those of most of his contemporaries, they weren't particular functional. And Rayner 16 doesn't read have having a strong emotional resonance.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Not exactly. I gave it to Ghia'ta to experiment with. The Zamarons were rather down on the orange light and I want her to learn that it isn't as toxic as she's been led to believe. Now, Lantern Rrab, the reason why I wanted to talk to you before we get our marching orders today is that I want to go over your equipment."

"Equipment? I only needed armour for low gravity training because I wasn't allowed to use my ring. Power rings are the most powerful and adaptable weapon in the universe."

I raise my left hand and flare the two I'm still wearing. I had wondered why she only wanted a minimalist setup yesterday, but I assumed that was because she didn't have time to train with something more sophisticated before we were due to start.

"Yes. Rings.. alone.. aren't enough on Earth. You remember the armour I was wearing on Oa?" She nods. "It shouldn't be too hard to fit you out with something like that. Solid protection against a wide variety of attacks, several useful integrated systems and as a Lantern you can store it in subspace when you're not using it. You'll also need a spell eater, or some other form of magic protection."
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"Arisia, how many members of your family have died in the service of the Green Lantern Corps?"

Her face grows sombre. "All of them. My grandfather, mother, father and uncle have all died for the good of my Sector."

"You're on my team now. Part of mine. Which means that keeping you alive is my responsibility. Orange Lanterns wear armour and you will too because your death is not acceptable to me. Four members of your family are dead and Earth is more dangerous than your Sector. You might be some sort of one-per-generation power ring genius who doesn't need it but most people do. Guy Gardner wears armour and carries a sidearm, as do Lantern Stewart and Lantern Savenlovich. Do you think you're better than the Host of Ion?"

She takes a thoughtful breath. "No. Okay, I see your point. What do you have in mind?"
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I feel like this is overly harsh - by this standard of 'good enough for earth', the only people who would pass would be the lanterns and maybe a handful of the magic types. In practice, it seems mostly like having armor like that (beyond just having a spell eater) is a useful edge with some interesting edge use cases, but not a decisive advantage. The 'needing it' angle is at best a manipulative framing of a true fact.
 
Z000 said:
a Death World is a place where the environment and native animal are out to get you, giant animal, super plant and hyper weather make a Death World
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Dude, we ARE the native animal life. And DC humans are fucked up.

Z000 said:
Earth not dangerous, the sapient humanoid species live on Earth are dangerous

what do you even call a place like that
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A Death World. You call it a Death World.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Briefly. But while comics Rayner's constructs are more 'fanciful' than those of most of his contemporaries, they weren't particular functional. And Rayner 16 doesn't read have having a strong emotional resonance.
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Batman: "Orange Lantern. Why do I have a report of you staring through the windows of a public high school muttering to yourself about a student not being 'emotionally prepared for your snake' yet?"
 
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"You know it's technically a dwarf planet."
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Mquz said:
These are the 5 known dwarf planets (might be a little outdated, but probably not)
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To refine the statement... A dwarf planet can't be a satellite of another object (except for a star, which doesn't count), which rules out moons. Of course, that's what Paul's retort is all about.

That list is out of date. There's at least one additional dwarf planet that's been confirmed (Gonggong) and at least three more that some scientists assert qualify as such (Sedna, Orcus, Quaoar) but haven't been officially given the designation. (And then Haumea might end up being reclassified away from being a dwarf planet.)
 
The thing is that it's not so much the lethality that's unique to earth, there is incredibly lethal shit all over the place, including whole planets capable of hating you in particular, Darkseid, random access to the shadowlands, the old demon gods of thanagar, formerly larfleeze. What's unique to earth is that it's full of people who look at shit on par with all that, tell Igor to hold their beer, and then proceed to macguyver the universe into letting them in on the fun with the equivalent of some chewing gum and paperclips.
 
Ganurath said:
No, no, Insane Death World fits better. The key word is Insane. Australia is basically British Texas, so Space Australia would be Space British Texas, which while odd doesn't do justice to the sheer nuttiness of the DC setting.
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You underestimate Australia - It's like Texas crossed with Florida's insanity crossed with a healthy dose of WTF is that thing? If Lovecraft has ever learned about Australia, he'd stop writing sci-di start writing nature books. There's a reason dropbears are associated with Australian Everglades. Pandas are mean bastards.
 
Sprited Away (supplementary, Renegade option)
18th February
13:00 GMT +8

Dr Chen can't help but look a little nervous as he reads the summary on the current conditions of the surviving induced-telepathy volunteers.

Hm.

…

Yeah.

Even with all of the medical information that I've taken from the Institute, re-engineering the human brain to support telepathy is hard. Brains that don't start out as telepathic just… I'm not going to say can't handle the input, but they don't cope well.

Which raises an interesting question about delayed-manifestation telepathy. There's a sort of assumption in the community that if someone 'gets' telepathy late in life, then it's just like any other random metahuman trait. Except we've tried forcing it and it hasn't worked. So… Does that mean that it was always there at a low level? Or that the metahuman 'activation' causes all of the other changes which need to occur in the brain to support the new sense to develop at the same time?

Of course, the chance of me finding someone who went through that change with the before and after brain scans I'd need…

I nod solemnly. "Alright, thank you. It's disappointing, but hardly unexpected." Despite what Lonnie was intimating to me, this isn't the Mao era. The people sitting around the meeting room table aren't worried that I'm about to have them sent to spend the rest of their natural lives… Growing rice or milking cows, or whatever it was the Party used to do to intellectuals with insufficient revolutionary zeal. "Send me a message directly if any of them start becoming coherent."

He nods, and returns to his seat.

This is exactly why I'm trying to add tetrachromacy to the next wave of volunteers. There are humans with it, and merely adding a colour should be far simpler than adding something exotic. Then I can monitor how their brains adapt and try and work out how to build from that. Sure, unlike naturally occurring instances I'm mostly inducing it in men, but I'm working with the materials I have.

The other strand of research is some sort of forced regeneration of neural matter. While that should allow the brain to adapt to the new node more easily, the side effects to partially unmapping a human consciousness… Not great.

Though the prison authorities did agree to an early release, so… Yay?

"Alright, next-." Zhifu strides into the room, glancing briefly over the other researchers before gazing pointedly at me. "General. What can I do for you?"

"I need to speak with you alone."

I nod. "Understood." I smile at my team. The team, really; they're very definitely in the employ of the Standing Committee on Metahuman Affairs rather than me personally, but I'm the lead of the project. Heck, I'm the reason why there is a project. They do a lot of the legwork while frantically trying to work out how to replicate what I'm doing with human technology. "Ladies and gentlemen, please take a short break. I'll come and find you when I need you."

Nods, muttered mentions of tea and other office chatter accompany some of China's greatest biology researchers as they file out, leaving myself and my silver-skinned friend alone in the meeting room. He doesn't have a lot of the tells normal humans have; I still haven't found a way to perfectly replicate human body language and facial expression with his durlan-altered body. But he doesn't look annoyed.

"So… What can I do for you?"

"We were able to capture a durlan infiltrator."

I blink in surprise. "Alive?"

"No, but in a human-seeming form."

I nod. "I'm guessing that you want to see if my rings and Mother Box can get you any data that your own scanners can't?"

"That was the eventual decision, yes, but there was some… Debate."

Certainly surprised it took this long for someone in party HQ to notice me.

"If I'm causing you trouble, I can clear out my desk..?"

"No, that is not necessary. It is simply that the Chairman Jiang had an… Encounter with members of the politburo who are sceptical of the benefits of our working relationship. Hearing the list of things which you have informed us you will not help us achieve was unedifying."

"I'm happy to explain my reservations directly, if that would take some of the heat off the Chairman?"

"That would merely undermine him." He takes a seat a short distance down the table from me. "Would you like to hear the list?"

"Hit me."

"The oolitic kidneys which you are providing to the American military."

"Those are made by Doctor von Schadel. My only input was the name." Which Games Workshop are now suing over. "He's very good at what he does."

"You did not assist him in making contact with the American government?"

"No, I did, but he was already in contact with the Department of Energy. And anyway, his contract was designed with wiggle-room. Once the things actually work-" And they appear to, if the subjects don't mind the side effects. "-then anyone working for Luthor's fleet can have them implanted."

"But not the People's Army."

"I asked, but it was a red line for General Lane. He wouldn't even agree to allow von Schadel to supply America's allies in NATO." I frown. "I thought that Jiang was on board with the whole space fleet thing?"

"The Chairman is. The politburo were distressed to learn that no sooner had China reached a position where we had sufficient metahuman strength to be independent of the Justice League of America, than America started to build a space fleet."

"Hey, no." I shake my head. "Lex is explicitly not building ships for the US military, or any part of the American government. It's a strictly private endeavour, for the same reasons that I'm not turning everyone in the Red Army into supersoldiers."

"And the American military is not benefiting in any way?"

"Only the same way you are. Or.. you can be by letting LexPower compete in the Chinese energy market. Is that still happening?"

"It… Should. It may be that something more is happening behind the scenes."

Darn it.

"Or it may be posturing. They may be reacting against what you said about your relationship with China during your most recent interview."

I grunt. "Or what they thought it sounded like I said. I thought I was avoiding saying anything particularly controversial."

"You described our human rights record as 'less than stellar'."

"Seriously? Look, I haven't made any secret of the fact that I think your metahuman control policy is out of date. That sort of obsession with total control made sense coming out of the civil war, and while the Communist Party was establishing control. It doesn't make sense now."

"That is one area where you and I disagree."

"No, you just hold them in contempt for their lack of loyalty. I hold plenty of people in contempt without feeling that it's necessary to imprison them." I shake my head. "What I said was the bare minimum that wouldn't make me look ridiculous to American viewers. You don't have data control over the whole planet."

"You may be interested in the planet as a whole, but the Chinese government is first responsible for China."

"Which is fine. Except that if the durlans set up outside of China no one else is looking for them because the politburo decided that it was a purely internal matter. Or when the Sheeda invasion fleet arrives and the Red Army can't coordinate with your neighbours to effectively fight them off, or if you haven't shared anti-mind control techniques and the fairy bastards cause a human-on-human war at the same time. The things I'm helping with aren't purely national issues."

I lean back.

"What's it going to take?"

"You have sponsored a school teaching American federal agents magic."

"How to recognise magic. It's pretty basic at the moment."

"You are aware that our attempts to develop an independent magic tradition have been met with only limited success." I nod. "We would be interested in affiliating with the school in San Francisco, in an attempt to improve our research."

…

Life takes with one hand, then gives it all back with interest with the other.

"I'll.. have to talk to the Head Mistress, but I suspect that we can come to terms."
 
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Well yes, probably because they try to completely control their people, in a field where the most successful are strict individualists.

It's a shame that Grayven can't just kill their superfunctionaries and mind control their leaders into offering him the crown, which he turns down for a 20 year presidential term.
 
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Well yes, probably because they try to completely control their people, in a field where the most successful are strict individualists.

It's a shame that Grayven can't just kill their superfunctionaries and mind control their leaders into offering him the crown, which he turns down for a 20 year presidential term.
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I mean... he could... but he would have to create a reason to make it seem reasonable, like a Starro invasion of the government - but make sure the starros make the targets permanently unable to function without them. Or having one of the superfunctionaries go rogue kill the government while others are unable to stop him. He could use a construct Starro to make sure nobody finds out - he hasn't demonstrated the ability to turn living beings into constructs to anyone else on Earth not part of his group, and Starros are good at hiding the fact they are controlling people.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Well yes, probably because they try to completely control their people, in a field where the most successful are strict individualists.

It's a shame that Grayven can't just kill their superfunctionaries and mind control their leaders into offering him the crown, which he turns down for a 20 year presidential term.
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I feel like you are referencing something I am just not catching.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Well yes, probably because they try to completely control their people, in a field where the most successful are strict individualists.

It's a shame that Grayven can't just kill their superfunctionaries and mind control their leaders into offering him the crown, which he turns down for a 20 year presidential term.
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Mind control their leaders? What does he do about the other billion people?
 
Mr Zoat said:
Mind control their leaders? What does he do about the other billion people?
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Most of them won't really do much - for all that people say, most of those billion people are poor and mostly too concerned with living day-to-day to care about the future / government. Things are made in China, and not often invented there.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Dr Chen can't help but look a little nervous as he reads the summary on the current conditions of the surviving induced-telepathy volunteers.

Hm.

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Yeah.
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That bad, eh?

Even with all of the medical information that I've taken from the Institute, re-engineering the human brain to support telepathy is hard. Brains that don't start out as telepathic just… I'm not going to say can't handle the input, but they don't cope well.

Which raises an interesting question about delayed-manifestation telepathy. There's a sort of assumption in the community that if someone 'gets' telepathy late in life, then it's just like any other random metahuman trait. Except we've tried forcing it and it hasn't worked. So… Does that mean that it was always there at a low level? Or that the metahuman 'activation' causes all of the other changes which need to occur in the brain to support the new sense to develop at the same time?
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And what part does the Life Entity play in matters, which Grayven is likely aware of but unable to prove correlation?

Of course, the chance of me finding someone who went through that change with the before and after brain scans I'd need…

I nod solemnly. "Alright, thank you. It's disappointing, but hardly unexpected." Despite what Lonnie was intimating to me, this isn't the Mao era. The people sitting around the meeting room table aren't worried that I'm about to have them sent to spend the rest of their natural lives… Growing rice or milking cows, or whatever it was the Party used to do to intellectuals with insufficient revolutionary zeal. "Send me a message directly if any of them start becoming coherent."
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Ah, complaceny born of comfort. They think they're too important to... censure?

He nods, and returns to his seat.

This is exactly why I'm trying to add tetrachromacy to the next wave of volunteers. There are humans with it, and merely adding a colour should be far simpler than adding something exotic. Then I can monitor how their brains adapt and try and work out how to build from that. Sure, unlike naturally occurring instances I'm mostly inducing it in men, but I'm working with the materials I have.
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Ah, that explains the previous snippet of Renegade activity.

The other strand of research is some sort of forced regeneration of neural matter. While that should allow the brain to adapt to the new node more easily, the side effects to partially unmapping a human consciousness… Not great.

Though the prison authorities did agree to an early release, so… Yay?
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Presumably the inmate was judged not a great risk of anything other than drooling on someone?

"Alright, next-." Zhifu strides into the room, glancing briefly over the other researchers before gazing pointedly at me. "General. What can I do for you?"

"I need to speak with you alone."
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August General in Iron, wasn't it? I see the Party has had Words with him over Grayven's last interview.

I nod. "Understood." I smile at my team. The team, really; they're very definitely in the employ of the Standing Committee on Metahuman Affairs rather than me personally, but I'm the lead of the project. Heck, I'm the reason why there is a project. They do a lot of the legwork while frantically trying to work out how to replicate what I'm doing with human technology. "Ladies and gentlemen, please take a short break. I'll come and find you when I need you."
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In other words, he buggers off somewhere, the project is left severely hampered by lack of knowledge...

Nods, muttered mentions of tea and other office chatter accompany some of China's greatest biology researchers as they file out, leaving myself and my silver-skinned friend alone in the meeting room. He doesn't have a lot of the tells normal humans have; I still haven't found a way to perfectly replicate human body language and facial expression with his durlan-altered body. But he doesn't look annoyed.

"So… What can I do for you?"

"We were able to capture a durlan infiltrator."
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Oh-ho?

I blink in surprise. "Alive?"

"No, but in a human-seeming form."
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<Snaps fingers> Damn. Could have managed to negotiate with them...

I nod. "I'm guessing that you want to see if my rings and Mother Box can get you any data that your own scanners can't?"

"That was the eventual decision, yes, but there was some… Debate."

Certainly surprised it took this long for someone in party HQ to notice me.
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Poking them via American television probably didn't help.

"If I'm causing you trouble, I can clear out my desk..?"

"No, that is not necessary. It is simply that the Minister Jiang had an… Encounter with members of the politburo who are sceptical of the benefits of our working relationship. Hearing the list of things which you have informed us which you will not help us achieve was unedifying."
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Ah, they're put out that he won't help conquer the world? :DOf Course!

"I'm happy to explain my reservations directly, if that would take some of the heat off the Minister?"

"That would merely undermine him." He takes a seat a short distance down the table from me. "Would you like to hear the list?"

"Hit me."
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This could take a while...

"The oolitic kidneys which you are providing to the American military."

"Those are made by Doctor von Schadel. My only input was the name." Which Games Workshop are now suing over. "He's very good at what he does."
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Because of course they're suing. It is a trademark, I suppose, and GW are aggressively defensive of them.

"You did not assist him in making contact with the American government?"

"No, I did, but he was already in contact with the Department of Energy. And anyway, his contract was designed with wiggle-room. Once the things actually work-" And they appear to, if the subjects don't mind the side effects. "-then anyone working for Luthor's fleet can have them implanted."

"But not the People's Army."
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What part of 'not helping you take over the world' did they not understand?

"I asked, but it was a red line for General Lane. He wouldn't even agree to allow von Schadel to supply America's allies in NATO." I frown. "I thought that Jiang was on board with the whole space fleet thing?"

"The Minister is. The politburo were distressed to learn that no sooner had China reached a position where we had sufficient metahuman strength to be independent of the Justice League of America, then America started to build a space fleet."
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Except America isn't. An American is, but the two are not the same thing.

"Hey, no." I shake my head. "Lex is explicitly not building ships for the US military, or any part of the American government. It's a strictly private endeavour, for the same reasons that I'm not turning everyone in the Red Army into supersoldiers."
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What he said!

"And the American military is not benefiting in any way?"

"Only the same way you are. Or.. you can be by letting LexPower compete in the Chinese energy market. Is that still happening?"

"It… Should. It may be that something more is happening behind the scenes."
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Obstructionist Party members with fingers in the energy industry pie, no doubt...

Darn it.

"Or it may be posturing. They may be reacting against what you said about your relationship with China during your most recent interview."

I grunt. "Or what they thought it sounded like I said. I thought I was avoiding saying anything particularly controversial."
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It was excellently milquetoast-y.

"You described our human rights record as 'less than stellar'."

"Seriously? Look, I haven't made any secret of the fact that I think your metahuman control policy is out of date. That sort of obsession with total control made sense coming out of the civil war, and while the Communist Party was establishing control. It doesn't make sense now."

"That is one area where you and I disagree."
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I'm sure he's seen a few bad eggs, but how many of them survive his team's 'recruitment' process?

"No, you just hold them in contempt for their lack of loyalty. I hold plenty of people in contempt without feeling that it's necessary to imprison them." I shake my head. "What I said was the bare minimum that wouldn't make me look ridiculous to American viewers. You don't have data control over the whole planet."

"You may be interested in the planet as a whole, but the Chinese government is first responsible for China."
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How very short-sighted of them...

"Which is fine. Except that if the durlans set up outside of China and no one else is looking for them because the politburo decided that it was a purely internal matter. Or when the Sheeda invasion fleet arrives and the Red Army can't coordinate with your neighbours to effectively fight them off, or if you haven't shared anti-mind control techniques and the fairy bastards cause a human-on-human war at the same time. The things I'm helping with aren't purely national issues."
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Well said. And something the Party needs to hear... Now, whether they'll listen to what they heard...

I lean back.

"What's it going to take?"

"You have sponsored a school teaching American federal agents magic."

"How to recognise magic. It's pretty basic at the moment."
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Even Hogwarts wasn't built in a day. It probably took two or three, tops. :p

"You are aware that our attempts to develop an independent magic tradition have been met with only limited success." I nod. "We would be interested in affiliating with the school in San Francisco, in an attempt to improve our research."

…

Life takes with one hand, then gives it all back with interest with the other.

"I'll.. have to talk to the Head Mistress, but I suspect that we can come to terms."
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And if her response isn't "Agree, or I will castrate you in such a way that you cannot grow it back!" I will be surprised.

Well, that was an enlightening insight into the politics of this story's China. Let's hope Grayven hasn't pissed off too many Party members.
(And let's keep the discussion in-universe, please?)
 
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Slayer Anderson said:
"You understand that you're making that precocious little shithead of a child genius look reasonable, right? Is that really something you want to do?"
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Eh... this is what most major country leaders are like these days, unfortunately. International cooperation and helping other countries doesn't tend to be as big on anyone's agenda as it used to be during, say, the Cold War
 
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Because of course they're suing. It is a trademark, I suppose, and GW are aggressively defensive of them.
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You would be too if you lost a pair of your setting's deities to litigation by comic writers who've been sitting on the characters ever since.
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Eh... this is what most major country leaders are like these days, unfortunately. International cooperation and helping other countries doesn't tend to be as big on anyone's agenda as it used to be during, say, the Cold War
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*points at the international effort to make a massive fuck-off space fleet to defend the Earth against invasion*
 
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