With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I guess this suggests I might want to reread Inviolate, again... (Yes, I did think the Guardian-bashing was a little excessive.) I'm a bit of a sucker for a well-done redemption story... Possibly worth noting, may be likely we're dealing with redeemed Sinestro, here...

 

This Sinestro, like his Lex, is a Knight Templar more than an out-and-out villain. His methods are extreme and he's a nasty SOB (far moreso than 'present' Lex is), but when he was fighting tyrranical gods who'd ruled the galaxy/universe for most of recorded history, it's hard to say he wasn't mostly justified.

Inviolate is the grimmest, darkest timeline of DC. Its Guardians make the Imperium of Mankind look gentle and forgiving, they just have better publicity. Seriously.

 

Can someone who knows this universe please state what colors represent what emotions?Like Gold is Willpower.?

 

Emotions aren't involved in Inviolate. There was only ever one color, and Lex devised some celestial engineering to manipulate the universe into changing where the 'green energy' pooled from Oa to Earth and, incidentally, change the color to Gold.
Sinestro is First Lantern, Barbara Gordon (Oracle) is Ilustres/Clarissi.

Edit: the 'Oath' of the Corps is

And she's promoted slightly later:

 

In fairness to Brainiac, their timeline was getting destroyed and they considered Paul an anomaly that shouldn't have existed from what they know. It is fully possible that he could have had something to do with that, even if not by his own actions, by accident maybe, and it would have been dangerous to send him back when they don't know that much about him.

 

Haha! Tremble, Multiverse, before the rational and even tempered might of MULTIPLE SIS TEAMING UP! MUAHAHAHA!

 

Welp if Paul fights Sinestro in the future then this is a good indication that he may be able to win, though seeing as Raul has a red ring, which was practically designed to fight power ring, Paul may have a more difficult time.

 

Multiple Sis Team Up?

Am I the only one imagining a chorus of hundreds of big sisters all going "ara ara~" at the same time?

 

I love when Saul decides the most rational and compassionate thing to do is something fucking awful.
I can see him deciding that he would have to slaughter all these people so that he and red lantern could leave quickly because otherwise Krona would destroy the universe or something else, slaughter them all because it is the most time effective reaction in the event the other time efficient courses have proven unproductive. "I'm sorry but we don't have time for this" drops super anti-matter bomb and phases out killing everyone around.

 

Yeah, people tend to forget that just because Indigo's are about compassion that doesn't mean they can't throw don if it comes down to it, as well as rationalize what compassion is.

The Indigo's are nos just space hippies with magic rings and sometimes what they do, and the power they wield, can be disturbing.

There was this scene in Life Ore Death where Jordan tells the Team about the other ring colors and what he knows about them.
When he gets to the Indigo's he says that their policy of making people compassionate may not always work and can backfire in some pretty frightening ways.
For this he gives an example of the Joker getting an Indigo ring.
While it would make him compassionate it may not change the fact that he wants to drive people insane. Remember that in many comics his motivation for doing what he does is because he thinks other people are crazy while he is sane and is trying to make them sane by doing horrible things to them, so now he has a ring that can help him alter the brains of thousands of people at once in a way that may be irreversible, all the while he is a compassionate individual who wants to make everyone sane.

There was also another scene where Kaldur tell M'gan a story about a goddess who drowned her own children. When her husband asked her why she did it, and thought it was because they were evil in their previous life, she told him it was because they were the reincarnated spirits of great heroes and sages, who due to small sins they committed were unable to escape the cycle of death and reincarnation, so in order for them to finally ascend she killed them before they could commit any sins.

Another storyline had Ma Gunn's motivation for turning all those children into criminals be because she thought it was better for them to know how to survive in a cruel world by being cruel themselves, after one of her girls died, when she was still a law abiding citizen and tried to care for them.

Yeah compassion can be a real scary bitch sometimes.

 

Ok, Red Lantern may not have as many tools, gadgets and esoteric techniques, but he seems to me like a definite better raw fighter, overall. The blood of the Butcher apparently can wreck almost everything, including constructs, unless they have some high level of magic resistance, and the Berserk state sounds awesome, even though it obviously affects his... "long term planning", to say it kindly.

A pity that Saul interrupted his Red counterpart, that beat-down was fantastic and I wanted see more! We really haven't seen a good fight in a while.

 

Wait, what's the red enlightenment upgrade? Butcher's horns? Berserk? Both? And how does one get it out them?

 

Greed overcomes fear just ask Daffy Duck.

There is a reason Time Trapper got him when he had the wrong ring.

 

I assume it allows for perfect control over hateful emotions as well as allowing them to go into a berserker strength mode without losing their minds, or at least most of their mind, and the ability to travel through the Red Light equivalent of the Honden.

 

...Not off to a good start there, Raul. Poor Sinestro, tarred by his alternate selves' reputation...

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Oh, dear... Raul's got a slow-burning temper, and the wick has been lit...

Seriously, this is like watching a burning gunpowder trail running towards a very large stack of barrels... filled with TNT.

Hey, that made me chuckle. He may not have intended to be funny, but...

Well, at least one of them is able to be reasonable...

Yeah, not the smartest move, Saul. That was basically flashing a gun at a cop...

I wonder, what does the local Book of Oa have to say about the colours of light... And certain wars between said colours...

Oh, dear. Looks like his ring has a few hidden protocols...

Yep, looks like Atrocitus put a few hidden directives in there...

Still, Sinestro has good reactions. Just not good enough...

Good instinct, rookie, but one problem. Environmental Field.

Still weird seeing golden Will being used...

Looks like the Teen Titans universe has had a few effects on his style...

Saul, you might have to actually do something more than talk at people...

Oof, a good hit. That's going to sting something fierce.

Wow, Sinestro is being pushed hard here...

"Team Rocket, blasting off agaaiiinnn..."

Ouch. Seriously, Saul, any time... Before someone ends up dead...

The joy of being the sanest man on an earth full of assholes and idiots...

Okay, beddy-bye time, Raul.

Boy, he was deep in the red place, wasn't he?

Dammit, I don't want to picture it, but I can't help but see Saul giving Raul a cooldown hug...

Hooray for Captain Obvious!

Man, he gets moody after a rage, doesn't he?

Are we sure this one isn't a Common Sense build as well?

Boy, Saul really doesn't do well with super-powered cops, does he? Guess that's what comes of being the biggest stick in your home setting...

Adding 'fleeing from the scene of a crime' to the list? Boy, Saul is really piling it on...

Heh. I bet Sinestro is going to be looking into the other colours now, after that impressive beatdown. A Ring type that can steamroll Will like nothing? Scary stuff for someone like him...

I retaliate with piranha plant constructs, sending them...

 

Sinestro Mook 1: "That could have been worse"
Sinestro Mook 2: "I can't believe you just tempted fate like that"
Sinestro Mook 1: "You and your Murphy, I mean seriously what's the worse tha-"
Power Rings: "Black Light Detected"
Mook 2:"You're going first"

 

Well he is a Red Lantern and while he may be the sanest and most rational one of them, except for Atrocitus when he isn't thinking about the Greens, that is not exactly a very high bar to reach

 

It's odd that you would leave the Green vulnerability to Indigo and Red in when you removed the Orange vulnerability to Blue and Violet.

 

Atrocitus did create his rings so that he could fight other ring wielders, specifically green ones, and while these are gold they still use willpower.

As for the other two well we haven't really seen Paul fight any Blue or Violet Lanterns.
I know that he fought Carol -14 in the Justice Underground base and maybe he fought with Baul during the LexCorp fiasco, but the first one was fairly brief and Baul had a low ring charge.
Also the two of them may not have known about how their rings can be used to fight other colors, specifically by manipulating the emotions of those wielding rings of other colors, even if Baul has comic knowledge he still has a low ring charge and may find it difficult to practice much.

Also Paul is enlightened so emotion manipulation on him is difficult.
When the Kriegers were on the Watchtower Wolf tried to use the Medusa Mask to make him feel fear but was unable to because of Paul's enlightenment.

 

You seem to be misunderstanding how the vulnerabilities are supposed to work.

It doesn't involve manipulating the emotions of the ring wielders, it's just Blue and Violet light straight up no selling anything made with Orange, similar to what Red can do to Green.

 

Pretty sure it's just Blue making them feel hopeful and then just them losing their desires at least temporarily, and Violet makes them feel love.

The only time we've seen a Blue Lantern fight Orange Lanterns was when Alan was sparring with some, but he was just shielding himself then if I remember correctly.

Also even if one light is inherently hostile to another light Paul's enlightenment could mean that he can be immune to that particular feature.

 

Thank youy, corrected.

 

As demonstrated by literally the first and second things the Indigo Tribe did in the comics.

A Sinestro corps member and a GLC member were fighting, the GLC member was losing.

An indigo tribesman scared off the Sinestro corps member, then euthanized the GLC member.

So the "space hippies" were introduced with intimidation and putting the mercy in mercy killing.

 

Not according to both the comics and animated series.

Given even the Entities are shown to be effected by the rock paper scissors nature of Light, not without a writer given ass-pull.

 

Does anyone but Paul, Paul, Paul, and Paul know what this even is? (Alternatively, are these things that actually exist in-universe?)

Appropriate, given his (unspeakable) surname.

Nobody ever said this was a case of rock-paper-scissors. It was specifically a construct-buster attack, and the fact that they're green has nothing to do with it.

 

It's a Mario brothers Enemy. So unless they don't have Super Mario bros...

 

I can't believe I've been behind for years and I caught up here of all places

 

Blond.

Is it bad I kind of hope one of the Scoobs in Sunnydale punched him in the mouth for being so utterly pedantic about not calling them vampires?